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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2007, 03:23:49 PM »

Not a very good example considering that she was not familiar with "the God of Solomon" until after she had met Solomon. ( 1 King 10 )

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2007, 05:34:05 PM »

The queen of Sheba was a woman.


Wow! I never thought of the Queen of Sheba as an example before


In Mat. 11:31 says, "The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here."

God does not condemn her for ruling as queen and she will even condemn men at the judgement.

 

This order that is given is not because one is greater than the other but rather to provide a structure that prevents confusion and chaos. This is the same in both the church, the body of Christ, as it is in a family. This order has been with us since the beginning. Eve was created as a helpmate to Adam. Not a slave but a helpmate. They both had an objective and a place in this objective. This objective is the same objective not a different one. All too often today we see women and men competing against each other rather than working together. This is because it has become an objective for both to attempt to lead and to go for their own individual, separate objectives. It has placed contention between them instead of an organized unity. If one is in the ultimate position of authority it puts a control on this, provides for order and a unity in purpose.



 The chaos comes from dis-unity in spite of a person's  gender. Many men cause chaos in the church and home because they make very poor leaders and are irresponsible in their behavior. I would rather have a responsible female boss or pastor before I would follow an irresponsible man.

Now, if everything went as God has designed it to go, the man would be godly and responsible and would make a good leader. Without that factor firmly in place, the job often must be be picked up by another capable individual.

Say a woman has an abusive, alcoholic husband.  Someone needs to care for the children, run the home properly, and get the needed help to make sure they all stay safe...she should not just blindly follow his leadership. When this woman does step up to the plate and take responsibility where the man is not taking it, I think she should be honored for it.
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2007, 09:52:57 PM »

There's two theories to arguin' with a woman; neither one works.

(he,he,he,he,he Grin)




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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2007, 11:06:55 PM »



Wow! I never thought of the Queen of Sheba as an example before


In Mat. 11:31 says, "The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here."

God does not condemn her for ruling as queen and she will even condemn men at the judgement.

 


 The chaos comes from dis-unity in spite of a person's  gender. Many men cause chaos in the church and home because they make very poor leaders and are irresponsible in their behavior. I would rather have a responsible female boss or pastor before I would follow an irresponsible man.

Now, if everything went as God has designed it to go, the man would be godly and responsible and would make a good leader. Without that factor firmly in place, the job often must be be picked up by another capable individual.

Say a woman has an abusive, alcoholic husband.  Someone needs to care for the children, run the home properly, and get the needed help to make sure they all stay safe...she should not just blindly follow his leadership. When this woman does step up to the plate and take responsibility where the man is not taking it, I think she should be honored for it.

I wasn't speaking of a situation in which one or both was not a Godly person but rather in which both are supposedly following Christ. Alcohol and drug abuse has become a prevalent problem in many families by both men and women. Dis-unity in families come when one or both refuse to follow God and His ordained role for them.

btw, the scripture that you gave in reference to the Queen of Sheba should be Mat 12:42 not Mat 11:31 (which there is no Mat 11:31).

The Queen herself does not condemn anyone directly. That is God's place only. Herein this verse is telling us that she who was a heathen came to believe Solomon's God yet this generation of Jews that refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah did not and would be condemned because of her belief.

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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2008, 10:35:03 AM »

Oops! Actually it was supposed to be Luke 11:31, but Mt. 12:42 was listed right above it in my concordance.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
(1 Cor.6:2&3...I double checked that reference  Cheesy)
 
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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2008, 11:39:36 AM »

1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

This is an oft misunderstood portion of scripture. The Hebrew word krino that was translated to the word judge is better understood as the word rule or governing. It is speaking of the saints ruling under Christ during the Millennial Kingdom here on earth. This does not have anything to do with the judging and the separating of the sheep from the goats. This judging is done by Christ and Christ alone.

Mat 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mat 25:31  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2008, 12:07:04 AM »

Let us first look at the man's role.  The man is to be head of his household and the woman is to subject to his authority: this is scriptural(Eph.5:22-29)  However to many times egotistical men want to lord over their wives and tell them what to do, yet arent fulfilling their roll as a man,father.husband,ect...  The man is to be submitted to Christ.  A guideline such as (Phillipians 2:1-5), I start my day with this scripture is a good place to start.  When the man is humble and submitted to Christ's authority, then the woman will recognize Christ's authority in the man.  She will have no problem submitting to the man's rule when in fact it's not his rule but rather Christ's.  Also, if the man is truly under Christ's authority then he will view his wife's need as more important than his own.  They say that behind every great man you will find a woman; I submit that behind every great woman you shall also find a great man.  True power and authority is rarely exibited by the leader out front.  It usually is backed by an even greater power in the wings.  I submit that men and women have equal roles in the church, each one fit jointly together to make up the body! 
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