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« on: December 17, 2007, 05:09:57 PM »

The Book of Job gives us one of the greatest lessons on faith and the trails and tribulations that we may face that will try our faith. This book goes beyond that though and also teaches us more about God's creation and His wondrous power. In this study I will be pointing out select portions of the Book of Job in an aspect of study that is rarely if at all covered in any other study.

Job 1:1  There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

We start out the Book of Job with an explanation of who Job is. He was a man that lived in the land of Uz. It was named Uz after the son of Aram. Aram was the son of Shem who was the son of Noah. This is important to know as it gives us a more of an idea on when this took place and will then substantiate the point of this study. From this it is estimated that Job lived approximately 300 years after the flood of Noah.

During and just after the flood of Noah we know that the earth was in quite a turmoil. A flood of that magnitude can be expected to do nothing less. Even at the onset of the flood we see where "all the fountains of the great deep broken up". Underground water broke through the surface in fountains.

At the end of the flood we are told that "the waters were dried up from off the earth". The manner in which that much water receded from the surface of the earth is not mentioned in the Bible. The word in the KJV here is "the waters returned from off the earth continually". The Hebrew words forthat were translated as continually are descriptive words that means "to retreat in a whirl". It is believed that at this time there was an upheaval of the land where mountains and valleys were formed and the seas became deeper. This sort of activity would have continued on for a number of years. It would have more rapidly given land that would be above the water and low spots for the water to run off into. All of this moving water would also have formed canyons such as the Grand Canyon.

Job 6:15  My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook, and as the stream of brooks they pass away;
Job 6:16  Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid:

Here Job is giving us a simile in describing a situation with his brethren but in so doing he uses ice and snow giving us the first mention of it in the Bible. Snow did not exist prior to Noah's flood

Job 9:5  Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
Job 9:6  Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

In these verses he speaks of mountains being removed and of earthquakes.

Job 14:11  As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:

Here we see a reference to flood. More than likely the remnants of Noah's flood and how it had dried up.

Job 14:12  So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job 14:13  O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Job 14:14  If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15  Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

We see in these verses that Job is supporting both the resurrection and the coming wrath of God on the earth in the end times. As some may think this is not a new teaching but one that men have known for many, many years and is mentioned in more than one place in the Old Testament.

Job 22:16  Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood:

Again he mentions a flood, one that is all consuming, covering the entire earth. Here he was reminding the person he was talking to, to remember that time and not to walk in the ways of those that were destroyed by that flood.


More to come.

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 10:31:06 PM »

This is great Pastor!  Thanks for taking the time to do it!  I will "stay tuned"!!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 10:34:01 PM »

My pleasure. I'll probably pick it back up some more when I get back home with my son.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 12:23:02 AM »

Job 6:15  My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook, and as the stream of brooks they pass away;
Job 6:16  Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid:

Here Job is giving us a simile in describing a situation with his brethren but in so doing he uses ice and snow giving us the first mention of it in the Bible. Snow did not exist prior to Noah's flood.

Careful. Just because there was no previous mention of ice or snow in the Tanahk, that does not make such a claim valid.

I am curious, what is the point of such a statement? How is that helpful?
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 08:43:39 AM »

I am quite careful on this subject just as I am to all things that are in the Bible. Prior to Noah's flood the earth was watered by a mist that came up from the ground not by rain or snow and prior to Noah's flood things lived longer and grew bigger which can not only be seen in the Bible but is also seen in the fossils of those things that were destroyed by the flood. These fossils also show plant and animal life of this nature over the entire earth including the poles.

Gen 2:6  But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

We can also see this in Genesis 7 in the description of how the flood came to be.

Gen 7:11  In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


I am curious, what is the point of such a statement? How is that helpful?

Those that put ice and snow prior to that time frame do so to support evolution and an old earth, the supposed "fact" that the earth was not made perfect but had to evolve into it's current state instead of degrading or devolving. It is scripture interpreting scripture, one portion supporting that of another.

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 11:22:34 AM »

My pleasure. I'll probably pick it back up some more when I get back home with my son.



That right!  You have a wedding coming up!  Have a wonderful time and I am axiously staying tuned.  This is great stuff!
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 01:18:49 PM »

It won't be long now for the wedding. We will be leaving sometime this evening to go get the groom. Then things will be getting busy. The wedding, moving them into their own place, the holidays and everything that goes with all of this and now one of the twins has come down sick. Just a little damper on it all.

I'm glad that you are enjoying this study. I know that I am. I learn something new each and every time I delve into it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 01:26:51 PM »

Those that put ice and snow prior to that time frame do so to support evolution and an old earth, the supposed "fact" that the earth was not made perfect but had to evolve into it's current state instead of degrading or devolving. It is scripture interpreting scripture, one portion supporting that of another.

There is no need to defend creation. Nor is there any need to debunk evolution. All that is but a distraction from the fact that we are sinners in need of a savior. Anyone who does not believe in the one true God of all creation is not going to be convinced by any proof-texts from the Bible. Anyone who does beleive in the one true God of all creation deosn't need need proof-texts from the Bible (as regards creation), for they have the mind of Christ (see 1 Cor 2: 6-16)

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 01:49:34 PM »

Distract from Salvation? The creation story is the basis of all in the Bible. It shows mankind being in need of a Saviour. It gives us the knowledge and understanding. The knowledge that we are not just animals but rather created above the animals and in the image of God. It gives us a reason and understanding of the rest of scriptures. The creation story is a part of the Bible and all of the Bible has been given to us "by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

We are also told to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." We are also told to "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." If we but study portions of the Bible and ignore the rest we cannot truly "be ready to give an answer to all that asketh."

Evolution has invaded our society, it is being taught to our children and is in fact leading our children astray. It's purpose is to undermine the truth of the Bible and that includes salvation for if we cannot believe it all how can we believe any of it. It is important because of this that we teach the whole Bible and not just parts of it.

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2007, 02:14:59 PM »

I will gladly, loudly, with joy and confidence "debunk" evolution.  It is a trick of Satan to mix truth and fiction for his evil purposes.  And I agree that, that is what is happening and more will follow.  If you don't get Genesis, you won't get the rest.  That is the foundation.

I am curious, what is the point of such a statement? How is that helpful?

There is no need to defend creation. Nor is there any need to debunk evolution. All that is but a distraction from the fact that we are sinners in need of a savior.

You have already contradicted yourself.  Your first argument was to question and then you have back tracked into "but a distraction from the fact that we are all sinners in need of a savior".  The fact that we are all sinners in need of a saviour is true and many need to hear it.  However, most on here already know that.
All who believe in evolution ARE distracted.

You could argue "adaption" as evolution but it's not the same thing.  All have adapted to the environment in which they live.  Hence some regions have developed tall people, some short, etc.  Without going into all of it here, I think you get where I'm going.  That is not evolution however.

I also suggest the resource by Ken Ham: Answers in Genesis / Genesis the Key as answer why Genesis is so important.  He does an excellent and convincing job of it and it's all biblical.

It won't be long now for the wedding. We will be leaving sometime this evening to go get the groom. Then things will be getting busy. The wedding, moving them into their own place, the holidays and everything that goes with all of this and now one of the twins has come down sick. Just a little damper on it all.

I'm glad that you are enjoying this study. I know that I am. I learn something new each and every time I delve into it.



That's the reason the Bible never gets old.  Everytime you open it you find something new!  I call it "Treasure Hunting"!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 02:32:32 PM »

Amen, sister and it is treasure worth finding.


Ken Ham has a series called "The Relevance of Creation—Why Does It All Matter?" it is excellent reading. It also comes in a dvd format for those wishing to get it. His web site: http://www.answersingenesis.org/    has a lot of wonderful information and it answers such questions as "If God is a loving God why is there so much pain, sickness and death in the world" all based on scripture and not just the obscure answer of "because there is sin in the world".

Many that are seeking God want such questions answered and we should be ready to answer them.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 05:31:46 PM »

Job 28:1  Surely there is a vein for the silver, and a place for gold where they fine it.
Job 28:2  Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.

Secular scientists have placed the production of Iron around the 12th century BC. The early Bronze age no earlier than 3500 BC and the manufacture of Brass at a much later time frame do the heat required to manufacture it and the supposed lack of availability of copper, tin and zinc that is required to make the brass. Recently archaeologist have been found smelting pots and ovens that are capable of sustaining such heat that are much older than they originally thought possible. Noah's flood is thought to have occurred around 4,200 BC and was said earlier Job's time was approximately 300 years later, approximate time frame of 3900 BC. Yet as we see in the verses above Job refers to these products at a much earlier date than originally thought they existed. Again we see mankind relying on their knowledge, which is not knowledge at all, instead of relying on God's word.

 
Job 28:9  He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
Job 28:10  He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.

Job 28:26  When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:

Here again we see references to the catastrophes that were incurred during Noah's flood. The word decree, Hebrew word of chôq, is speaking of the time that the rain first started. Another mention that rain did not always exist on the earth.

Many of the verses speaking here are parables. Some say because of this that we cannot hold to them as meaning these things existed. Parables however are spoken in a manner of comparing a situation to things that are known by those speaking and hearing at that time so we can without a doubt understand that these things did happen and did exist at that time.


Job 30:29  I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.

The Hebrew word that was translated to dragon here is sometimes translated to whale. However in Ezekiel 29:3 it mentions this creature as one that is in a river. In other places it mentions it being in a sea. While a whale is definitely in the seas they are not normally in rivers. There are some that think this is describing a very large serpent or monster of some sort. In ancient non-Biblical sources this Hebrew word has been depicted in drawings as a very large scaly, snake like creature. We are left here just guessing.


Chapters 38 through 41 is God speaking to Job chastising Job. Here in these chapters is a lesson that all of mankind should heed. God presents Job with the question if he was here when the foundations of the earth were made, did Job know how the earth was made or was he able to stop up the gates of the seas when they broke forth (Noah's flood). Did Job have knowledge of these things first hand, did he have knowledge of all things or should he rely on God's word.

All too often mankind thinks that they are wise and knowledgable enough to know all there is to know, that we can figure it all out. God has told us what there is need for us to know and we need to heed that knowledge that he has provided for us.


In my next post I will continue with a little more in depth look at Chapters 38 - 41.

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2007, 12:39:47 AM »

I can't wait for more!  I'm really enjoying this!  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2007, 09:39:34 AM »

I'm glad that you are, sister. More will be coming as soon as I find the time to sit here long enough. The knocks on my door seem to have increased this year so each time I sit down here I get interrupted.

Please don't sit there with abated breath though. I wouldn't want you to pass out from lack of air.  Wink Cheesy Cheesy

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Please don't sit there with abated breath though. I wouldn't want you to pass out from lack of air.  Wink Cheesy Cheesy



Okay!  I'm breathing!  I'm working today which is okay as I love it and there is nothing going on in my family until Friday when all the grandkids will be in town.
Have a very Merry Christmas Pastor Roger!
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