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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2004, 12:14:07 PM »

Gen 2:9

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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Gen 3:22-24

22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Rev 2:7

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
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The "bold"seems to me to emply they had not eaten of the tree.  
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2004, 01:56:08 PM »

I would have to state that A&E did eat of the Tree of Life.  While in the garden they were to be immortal and always be with God.  God provided a means for them to keep their physical bodies forever.  God programmed our bodies to eventually fail and die.  But provided a means for man to physically live forever through the tree.  
The perfection of mans body initially is what is creditted with giving long life to the early men (900 years or so).  But God had initially wanted man to be there forever, so had to provide a means to keep the physical alive.  Thus He provided A&E with the tree of life.  And remember also that in Rev there will be a new heaven and earth to live upon.  Some believe that we will have new bodies as well, maybe the new bodies will need the tree of life to sustain them physically.

As far as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  Ponder this if you will.

Verse 5 and 6 show us what the true nature of eating of the tree is.  It is called the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.  But look hard and what do you think knowledge of good and evil is?  I think everyone would tell you that it is the knowledge to tell what is good and what is evil.  Let me ask you a few questions then based on this you can tell me if they are good or evil.  Adolph Hitler, Mother Teresa, Coca Cola, Cocaine, abortion, salvation, gambling, lotteries.  As you can see this could go on and on for a while.  You could name something like Adolph Hitler and he would be almost unanimously voted as evil.  Whereas something like lotteries you may get mixed votes upon.  So who determined what is good and what was evil.  Before the fall of man there was only the definition that God had provided.
See up until the eating of the fruit Adam and Eve only had God there to let them know what to identify as good and evil.  But when they ate the fruit they then defined for themselves what is good and what is evil.  This is shown in verses 10 and 11, where Adam and Eve at the fruit and then hid from God.
When God asks where they are, Adam says "I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."  There is a whole lot of "I's" in that sentence.  Adam and Eve have also been naked since the beginning and God did not think it evil.  I am sure that if being naked were truly evil in God's eyes then he would not have let them run around naked.  So Adam and Eve knowing they were would not change the status of Adam and Eve being evil or anything.  But it shows that now man will define what is good and what is evil.  And they decided that being naked was evil and thus tried to hide themselves.
And we also know that it was God who defined good and evil when when he makes the statement "which I commanded."  Up until this time it was God who had defined good and evil.  And once Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit they chose to ignore God's judgement on what is good and what is evil and substitute their own judgement.  Up until that time they had knowledge of what was good and what was evil but they then chose to ignore God's definitions and substitute their own.
Before moving on to the next portion I would like to state that before Adam and Eve ate they had had their faith and trust in god.  Remember the word trust because we shall see it many many more times throughout this piece of work.
We are reinforced in verse 11 with the idea that eating of the fruit was man now defining what is good and what is evil.  When God says "who told you that you were naked?"  And if you look back you will see that it was Adam and Eve who told themselves they were naked.  And Adam even states it when responding to God about why he was hiding.  Remember "because I was naked; so I hid myself."
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2004, 11:14:51 PM »

Carry on Tog..


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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2004, 11:10:56 AM »

Through out the Bible we see that when Israel was punished it was because they were no longer listening to what God was desiring.  They were not trusting in God's judgement.  
Example upon example of man not trusting in God, and not trusting that God would provide for them.  This is the underlying theme of the entire Bible.

The eating of the tree of the knowledge was not suddenly gaining the knowledge of what was good and evil but as Satan stated we would be like God...and that step was that we would be defining what was good and what was evil.  We would no longer be trusting God's holy judgement of good and evil but using our own.  

Even Jesus's teachings have an underlying theme of trusting in God to provide, trusing in God to grant everlasting life, if we not only believe but trust in Him.

Yes it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil...but it was not God's knowledge that it granted but a substitution of our own knowledge.  The moment A&E took a bite they basically stated that they knew better than God what was good and what was evil.  

Before that moment they knew God's definition of good and evil.  Evil being disobedience and eating of that which God had directed not to eat.  So they knew it was wrong and this was shown when Eve stated that God had said they should not.  

When reading the Bible keep that in mind that God wants us to trust in Him and then see what happens and what caused God's wrath.  You will find that in every case man substituted his own judgement over that of God.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2004, 12:25:49 PM »

Tog,

Amen, I agree..

It is clear, that like children trust their parents, one must trust God as a child at His word spoken by the Son.

He even said it;

Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
 (Mk 10:14-15)

Thank you for your contribution..


Blessings,
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