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Question: Does intentional or unintentional sin result in loss of Salvation?
Yes - 3 (17.6%)
No - 13 (76.5%)
I don't know. - 1 (5.9%)
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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2008, 12:22:45 AM »

Hello Littleboy,

Brother, you're welcome to your opinion, but no man lives without sin, and no man is perfect or holy. It's a matter of putting the Scriptures in context and rightly dividing the WORD of TRUTH.

How much sin, BIG or small, is really intentional? This means that the person knew it was wrong when they did it. How many Christians yield to various temptations, BIG or small? This is why all Christians have a continuing need for forgiveness. All Christians should know that they aren't perfect or holy. This is not a license to sin, but we do have an advocate with the Father. There was a reason why JESUS CHRIST died on the Cross for our sins - mainly because no man has ever kept all of the law, and no man has ever been perfect or holy. Our only righteousness is in JESUS CHRIST.

Did King David intentionally commit adultery? Let's bring it down several thousand notches and ask if Joe Smoe ever coveted his neighbor's wife? Let's go down a few more notches and ask if a man ever lived without a lie and if lies are intentional?

In short, NO man or woman is worthy of salvation, and NO man or woman has ever been saved by keeping the law. NO man or woman has ever been able to keep the law, and NO man or woman has ever been perfect or holy - intentional or not. If we depended on man's works, man's righteousness, man's perfection, or man's holiness - no man or woman would ever be saved. All of creation would be lost and bound for hell. That would definitely include ALL OF US!

So, if you are wanting to be worthy of salvation because of your own actions and works, you would be lost. The same would be true for all of us. The only thing man is worthy of earning is CONDEMNATION.


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Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2008, 08:54:40 AM »

little, a few months ago I intentionally broke a promise. It wasn't a small promise, it was huge. My friend sissy, once told me her real name, she doesn't even reveal it to friends she considers family!

One day I got really angry with her. I went to the forums with full intent on breaking that promise. I broke it.
A few days later I felt guilt. I deleted what I did and asked for forgiveness.

Are you now saying that I am not forgiven? Are you saying that I lost my salvation? Are you saying that I am going to Hell?
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2008, 01:26:54 PM »

Hello Brother David,

I'll let Littleboy answer for himself. I just want to post some beautiful portions of Scripture to think about:

Romans 5:17-18 NASB
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.  So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Romans 8:1-2 NASB
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.


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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2008, 04:48:18 PM »

We can battle back and forth with verses all day long and get nowhere.
No David that's not what i'm saying.
BUT, You can only rape women & littlekids for so long or do you
think a man can rape  woman & littleboys & girls all his life and have "CERTAN times of FEELING Guilty"
And ask for forgiveness until the NEXT time He rapes or Kills!
Are you Guy's KIDDING ME, Do you REALLY Believe Gods Ears are open to Men like that?

I doubt if God will toss you into the Lake of Fire for Giving ALL of us Her Name, Sissy...
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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2008, 05:03:52 PM »

that isn't true repentance and that man never really had salvation in the first place
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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2008, 05:28:51 PM »

Neither, does any man that continues in his OLD way's...
Born Again means changing from the sinful person you once was.
This is all being written down in the Little Books & the cloaks of your Follies are
removed and known to God.
Their be no excuse for those that told you it was ok to continue to Sin,
Because no one cannot keep from sinning.

I would like to know,
WHY DID, Jesus tell the blind man that had just recieved
his sight, quote" TO GO AND SIN NO MORE OR A WORSE THING SHALL COME UPON YOU"?

This should be good, remember he's watching & writing it Down...



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« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2008, 05:40:25 PM »

Neither, does any man that continues in his OLD way's...
Born Again means changing from the sinful person you once was.
This is all being written down in the Little Books & the cloaks of your Follies are
removed and known to God.
Their be no excuse for those that told you it was ok to continue to Sin,
Because no one cannot keep from sinning.

I would like to know,
WHY DID, Jesus tell the blind man that had just recieved
his sight, quote" TO GO AND SIN NO MORE OR A WORSE THING SHALL COME UPON YOU"?

This should be good, remember he's watching & writing it Down...




God will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever take away ones salvation
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« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2008, 05:42:19 PM »

Littleboy,

In the very verses that you yourself gave Jesus Christ said, "I never knew you". Not I knew for a little while but "I never knew you".

We know that there will be many that give lip service but are not truly worshipping God in spirit and in truth. (Mat 15:8 )

Is it ok to continue in sin? As Paul said "God Forbid". As long as we are in the flesh though we will continue to sin. No matter how great or small a sin it may seem to man, sin is still sin in the eyes of God. No man is without sin, none are righteous in His eyes. It is for this reason that we need Jesus Christ for it is His righteousness and none of our own that counts. It is His shed blood that covers us.

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« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2008, 05:48:41 PM »

Littleboy,

In the very verses that you yourself gave Jesus Christ said, "I never knew you". Not I knew for a little while but "I never knew you".



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« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2008, 06:52:36 PM »

1 John 2:
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.


Matt. 5:
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

2Tim. 2:
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.


John 5:
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.

14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee


Hebrew 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully AFTER that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
DID you understand that one?

1John 3:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


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« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2008, 07:02:36 PM »

Are you without sin, Littleboy? Since you accepted Christ as your Saviour have you been without all sin? Have you obeyed all of His commandments?

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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2008, 07:23:59 PM »

Yes, i've sinned since coming to the Cross, But as I grew as a Child of God,
Into one that wears his armor well,
I put away ALL those things BEHIND ME AND Hav'nt commited them since then.

YES, I HAVE OBEYED, I Love God with ALL my H. M, & Soul,
and I Love my Neighbour as much as my self,
JESUS Say's "I HAVE" FULFILLED ALL the Laws & those of the Prophets,
FOR Fulfilling those 2,
Do you not understand that simple thing?



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« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2008, 09:19:58 PM »

Yes, i've sinned since coming to the Cross, But as I grew as a Child of God,
Into one that wears his armor well,
I put away ALL those things BEHIND ME AND Hav'nt commited them since then.

YES, I HAVE OBEYED, I Love God with ALL my H. M, & Soul,
and I Love my Neighbour as much as my self,
JESUS Say's "I HAVE" FULFILLED ALL the Laws & those of the Prophets,
FOR Fulfilling those 2,
Do you not understand that simple thing?




so you do think I am going to hell because I did sin willfully
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« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2008, 10:55:27 PM »

No David...
Like I said , I doubt that Our Father will through you into the
Lake of fire for saying someones name that you promised you would'nt,
In Fact I know he WON'T!

I believe you asked for forgivness, Right?

Now Just don't do That again, Not for the sake of Salvation,
But, so that you don't lose the trust, one build's with the people he surrounds
himself with, It's Hard to testifiy to people who you've Lied to and lost Trust with.

It's not like you had it planned, to go out from the get go and do what you did, Right?

NOW, if you are planning things like that and being devious, YEP! Your going straight to Hell,
NO passing go or collecting $200.00 and then on the day of Judgment the Books will be opened
and then the Book of Life and if your Name HAS been Blotted out, YOU will be tossed into the Lake of fire
Where Hell, Death, Satan, The Beast & False Prophet will be and the Smoke of your torment shall ascend forever!
Gods words NOT mine...
My Prayers & thoughts are with you Brother, I've read your post and can see the Struggle that you are going thru,
Believe me I don't like being the one who is willing to stand and say,
Stop it, their are consiquences to ones actions, Christian or otherwise!
That's me though, a Big Brother trying to protect his family.
Theirs NOT one of you I would'nt protect with my Very Life.
Don't Believe Me?
God knows & My Wife & Children would tell you that i would DIE for you, "IN A HEART BEAT"!
YLBD=Your Loving Brother Duane
And I do Love you Brother, Otherwise I would'nt have a word for you.
God removed the Beam from my eye awhile ago, BELIEVE ME it was a 4x4x12 too!
A little poke at some humor, Endure my Brother..




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« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2008, 11:42:44 PM »

Yes, i've sinned since coming to the Cross, But as I grew as a Child of God,
Into one that wears his armor well,
I put away ALL those things BEHIND ME AND Hav'nt commited them since then.

YES, I HAVE OBEYED, I Love God with ALL my H. M, & Soul,
and I Love my Neighbour as much as my self,
JESUS Say's "I HAVE" FULFILLED ALL the Laws & those of the Prophets,
FOR Fulfilling those 2,
Do you not understand that simple thing?



Littleboy,

It appears that you are very confused, especially if you actually believe you haven't sinned in a certain period of time. Would that be days, hours, or minutes that you haven't sinned in some way, or do you not understand what sin is? You also take Scripture out of context and get confused because you don't read and understand what comes before or after the Scriptures that you cherry-picked. It doesn't work that way. I'm not going to spend the time to show you your errors in handling the Scriptures because you got angry the last time I tried to help you. I'll just say that you are horribly confused. You need to learn how to properly study the Bible for yourself. It appears that you also need to learn about yourself and your own sin, and I'm talking about recent sin. It doesn't have to be a major crime for it to be sin - SIN IS SIN - BIG or small. You sin, and you've done it intentionally. If you do something in your mind - you've done it, and you will do it. If you actually think that you live without sin, GOD has said that the truth isn't in you.

You can trust GOD - YOU ARE NOT A HOLY MAN! NOT one of us is a HOLY man or HOLY woman in history, and you are no different. You can get angry with the TRUTH if you want to, but the TRUTH won't go away. The TRUTH is in the HOLY BIBLE - "Your righteousness is as filthy rags". If you are looking for your own righteousness, you'll never find it. The RIGHTEOUSNESS OF JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT SAVES US!

Littleboy, you are horribly wrong in telling people that you don't sin. IF this was true, you would be the only human being in history to accomplish this. We do change after being Saved, but we don't become perfect in this life. Hopefully, we sin much less, and we feel guilty when we sin. One doesn't have to wallow in sin for it to be a sin. Your examples with crime simply shows your confusion in this area. Many sins are NOT crimes under the laws of man.

I'll end this with one simple statement:  If you really think that you're HOLY, take a vacation and read the HOLY BIBLE as long as it takes to understand the TRUTH. Brother, you really need to start with the basics - the MILK of the WORD. If you get angry for me telling you this - so be it. The BIBLE will be more harsh than I am.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
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