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Human Rights Commission: "Kill the Christian" Lyrics OK, but Criticize Homosexua
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Human Rights Commission: "Kill the Christian" Lyrics OK, but Criticize Homosexuality? No Way
November 3, 2008
By Hilary White
RED DEER, Alberta, November 3, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Alberta Human Rights Commission (HRC) has come under scrutiny again for what critics are calling a brazen double standard in its treatment of "hate" and discrimination.
Blogger, lawyer and democratic activist Ezra Levant has revealed that Alberta Human Rights Commissioner Lori Andreachuk, who in a ruling earlier this year ordered a Christian pastor to publish a renunciation of his Christian views in the local newspaper, in 2003 dismissed a complaint against a rock music group who used lyrics in one of their recordings that urged listeners to "kill the Christian."
Andreachuk dismissed the case saying that Christians are not "vulnerable" enough and the group in question not a "credible" threat.
Levant is calling foul, however. Bluntly calling Andreachuk an "anti-Christian bigot" he points to the ruling by the same commissioner against Rev. Stephen Boissoin, who was ordered to pay heavy fines and publish an apology and renunciation of his religious views.
Andreachuk's ruling, he wrote, is a "smokescreen." "It's not jurisprudence; it's not coherent; it pretends to adhere to precedent, but it clearly doesn't. It's legal mumbo-jumbo to cover up the bald political fact here: Comrade Andreachuk thinks it's fine to call for the murder of Christians. And this same anti-Christian bigot sentenced Rev. Boissoin to a lifetime of silence about his faith."
The 2003 case was that of "Quintin Johnson vs. Music World." Johnson, the complainant, was browsing for CDs at a Music World shop in Red Deer, Alberta, and found an album from the group "Deicide" containing a track called "Kill the Christian."
Song lyrics began, "Kill The Christian/You are the one we despise/Day in day out your words compromise lies/I will love watching you die." Levant comments dryly, "Pretty hard to find any nuances there."
As a Christian, Alberta resident Quintin Johnson brought a complaint against the store saying he had been discriminated against. Lori Andreachuk, however, while agreeing that the "content and tone" of the lyrics "appear on the face of them to be discriminatory," concluded that Christians had nothing to complain about.
"There is very little vulnerability of the target group," Andreachuk wrote. The rock group, she wrote, "lacks credibility and has a small circulation. The context of the publication is not presented as a debate or any purportedly authoritative analysis and the target group is not vulnerable."
Under this reasoning, Levant wrote on his blog, "a neo-Nazi could never be guilty of spreading hate, because by definition a neo-Nazi is obscure, not credible, and listened to only by those who seek them out."
Rev. Stephen Boissoin, wrote in an email he forwarded to LifeSiteNews.com, "I guess a music store that sells music which shouts out 'Kill the Christian, Kill the Christian' is totally acceptable in Canada."
"I am certainly not one to suppress freedom of speech but it would appear that Christians are not assured the same standard of protection via these Human Rights Commissions as the rest of Canadians. After all, where did I ever say 'Kill the Homosexual, Kill the Homosexual?'" Rev. Boissoin said.
Boissoin was found guilty last year by an HRC panel, headed by Andreachuk, of having exposed homosexuals to "hatred and contempt" by publishing a letter in the Red Deer Advocate warning against the dangers to the social order of homosexual activism.
Rev. Boissoin was prohibited for life from preaching sermons that are critical of homosexuality and was told that he cannot criticise homosexuality even in his private communications such as e-mails. Rev. Boissoin was also ordered to pay a total of $7,000 in fines. As the respondent in the case, moreover, he was obliged to pay his own court costs while the complainant had the costs covered by the state.
Ezra Levant, who has had two HRC cases against him dismissed and dropped, maintains that even if the HRC decides in favour of the respondent, the "process is the punishment" with his own expenses having exceeded $100,000 and civil suits still pending.
Levant became an international internet celebrity when he published the proceedings against him on the video website YouTube. He resoundingly defended the democratic principle of freedom of speech and told investigating HRC commissioner Shirlene McGovern that he would "rot in hell" before he violated those principles and apologised for anything he had published in his magazine.
Levant said the Alberta HRC's dismissal of the music store case was a brazen case of a double standard, in which only Christians and social conservatives can be guilty of "discrimination" but attacks on Christians by others are acceptable.
"So it doesn't matter if Christians are exposed to hate - they're not vulnerable. So says Comrade Andreachuk. By definition, she writes, a Christian cannot be the victim of hate speech," Levant wrote.
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Has it started........................
John 15:18-19
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If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
My own thoughts are yes, it is now starting......................
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Has it started........................
John 15:18-19
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
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If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
My own thoughts are yes, it is now starting......................
Hello DreamWeaver,
Brother Bob, I'm thinking exactly the same thing you are. I think that our greatest sadness should be for the lost, not ourselves. Just think about the letters of the Apostle Paul. Our race and fight as Christians may be over soon. In fact, there isn't a single reason why the RAPTURE couldn't happen tonight. We obviously don't know when the RAPTURE will be, but there is no other Bible Prophecy that must be fulfilled before the RAPTURE. We should use whatever time we have left in trying to help the lost onto a path to accepting JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR. GOD'S WORD tells us that the world will hate us for our attempts to help the lost, but this is the top priority for whatever time we have left in this short life. A rapidly growing host of Christians have already been persecuted horribly or killed in this attempt, but this is a reasonable service for THE ONE who purchased us from the curse of sin and death with HIS OWN BLOOD. Christian persecution will continue to escalate until JESUS comes in the clouds to take us HOME.
Brothers and Sisters, I also believe that the time for the RAPTURE is growing near. In the meantime, we have work to do for the KING OF KINGS!
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Obama Expected to Join Forces with UN in Global Pro-Abortion Agenda
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Obama Expected to Join Forces with UN in Global Pro-Abortion Agenda
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NEW YORK, NY, November 7, 2008 (C-FAM) - The pro-abortion law group the Center for Reproductive Rights (CRR) has already called for President-elect Obama to renew America’s commitment to “reproductive rights” which, according to CRR, prominently includes a right to abortion. It is likely the new president will work almost immediately to correct what his ideological allies like CRR view as multiple mistakes of the Bush administration with regard to international social policy on this issue.
Obama has in the past spoken out against the so-called Mexico City Policy, which forbids US money from supporting groups overseas that promote or perform abortions. This is a Reagan era policy that was struck down during the Clinton years and resurrected on the first day in office of George W. Bush. No one should be surprised if Obama strikes this down on his first day in office and that US money will begin to flow again to pro-abortion groups overseas.
Obama has spoken out against US refusal to fund the UN Population Fund (UNFPA), a United Nations (UN) agency that promotes population control, fertility reduction, and abortion all over the world. UNFPA helped the Chinese government set up and run its one-child policy, which has resulted in upwards of 100 million abortions, many of them forced or coerced.
A US law called Kemp-Kasten mandates that US money cannot support groups that cooperate in coerced abortions. The US State Department has repeatedly determined that UNFPA is complicit in the coercive policies of the China government and has therefore refused funding for the past eight years. Congress has for many years voted to resume UNFPA funding and has been overruled by President Bush. It is expected that Obama will resume funding.
There is the question of UN treaties that the US has refused to ratify. These treaties include the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), the Convention of the Rights of the Child, the Kyoto Treaty on the Environment, the International Criminal Court and the Landmines Treaty. While various US presidents have signed some of these treaties, the Senate under both Democratic and Republican rule has ratified none of them. It is unclear that the left has enough votes in the Senate to meet the necessary two-thirds needed for ratification. Still critics fear that an Obama administration will try to move the Senate toward ratification. Obama’s UN and European allies will certainly pressure Obama to do so.
Although there was a frenzy of global UN conferences back in the 1990s, including such massive affairs as the Cairo Conference on Population and Development and the Beijing Conference on Women, the time of the Bush administration has been relatively quiet. There was a global conference on disabilities, a racism conference in South Africa, and a two-year negotiation on human cloning, but not much more. The left at the UN counseled quiet during the Bush years for fear of losing ground in the documents that would have come under negotiation. With an Obama administration this fear is removed and one can expect a veritable flood of UN conferences to be announced beginning as early as this year.
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U.N. throwing its pro-abortion weight around
Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 11/7/2008
More nations are bowing to pressure from the United Nations to legalize abortion; however, the submission is not voluntary.
Nicaragua and El Salvador are the only two nations in Latin America that refuse to legalize abortion, while 16 have changed their laws. Steven Mosher, president of Population Research Institute, laments the progression.
"The abortionists are on the march around the world with the help of the United Nations, the U.N. Population Fund, and the Committee for the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women [CEDAW]," he explains. "They have been promoting the liberalization of abortion laws around the world, continent by continent."
Mosher believes the citizens of those countries are being ignored. "The people would overwhelmingly vote for life, but the fact is they're not given a chance to vote," he asserts.
According to Mosher, the United Nations and organizations associated with it are manipulating the countries into submission. "And so they dictate through the courts. They dictate through legal maneuvers," he points out. "They dictate [by] withholding financial aid to poor countries."
He argues that the United Nations should not be permitted to force its will on any country.
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I'm thinking, if abortion had been available around the time of Obama's birth, he might not be here. His mother was three months pregnant when she married his father. I wonder if that thought has ever occurred to him........
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Michigan liberals attack Lansing congregation in the middle of Sunday worship
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Michigan liberals attack Lansing congregation in the middle of Sunday worship
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Posted on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:33:05 PM EST
This is what we're up against.
On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers.
They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lewd, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.
This didn't take place in some dystopian, post modern work of fiction and it didn't take place in San Francisco or Berkley. This was the scene at a Bible believing church in Lansing, Michigan.
On Sunday, November 9, 2008 Michigan liberals sat peacefully through announcements, worship and prayer for the sick, our nation and our President-elect before staging a coordinated, disgusting and repulsive attack on worshipers and the broader concept of the church itself at Lansing's Mount Hope Church.
The lefties were a part of a liberal organization known as Bash Back Lansing and their collection of radical blogs, including one of the state's most widely read "mainstream" progressive blogs (and none which will receive a link on this website) called on "queers and trannies" from across the state and the region to converge on Lansing for what they refer to as an "action." While many of the members claim to be anarchists (they drove on roads, ate non-garden grown foods, printed materials on products created by government protected free markets, wore clothing, talk incessantly about "organization," etc etc etc) their broader goal is stated plainly on one of their lefty blogs.
Mount Hope, for the record, is an evangelical, bible believing church whose members provide free 24 hour counseling, prayer lines, catastrophic care for families dealing with medical emergencies, support groups for men, women and children dealing with a wide variety of life's troubles, crisis intervention, marriage ministries, regular, organized volunteer work in and around the city, missions in dozens of countries across the globe, a construction ministry that has built over 100 churches, schools, orphanages and other projects all over the world and an in-depth prison ministry that reaches out, touches and helps the men and women the rest of society fears the most. They also teach respect for all human life and the Biblical sanctity of marriage as an institution between one man and one woman.
This is what Michigan liberals label a "radical right wing establishment," and over 30 of them showed up in force yesterday. Wearing secret-service style ear pieces and microphones they received the "go" from their ringleader and off they went.
Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony. "Jesus was gay," they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss.
The "open minded" and "tolerant" liberals ran down the aisles and across the pews, hoping against hope to catch a "right winger" on tape daring to push back (none did). And just in case their camera missed the target, they had a reporter in tow. According to a source inside the church yesterday there was a "journalist" from the Lansing City Pulse along for the ride, tipped off about the action and more interested in getting a story than in preventing the vandalism, the violence and anti-Christian hatred being spewed by the lefties. We'll see what he files and what his editors see fit to print.
Props were readily on display too, though some of the condoms may have been put to even more nefarious use.
An hour after police and security had collected and removed who they thought were the last of the liberals, a volunteer security person discovered two more, hiding, together, in a public restroom. While their compatriots engaged in openly violent protest in front of everyone these two snuck away to potentially stage their own protest of sorts, and only by the grace of God did one of the hundreds of kids at the church not happen upon that particular restroom in those moments. Precisely how long they'd been there and precisely what they'd been up to we don't know.
The church's response? After things settled down, the blasphemy ended, the lewd props removed and the families safe from fear of additional men and women running into and past them the pastor took the stage and led the congregation in one more prayer... not for retribution, or divine justice or a celestial comeuppance (that's what I'd have prayed for) but instead that the troubled individuals who'd just defiled the Lord's house, so full of anger and hate, would know Jesus' love in their lives and God's peace that exceeds human understanding.
Yesterday morning defined the difference between a church of believers and Michigan liberals. It also illustrated in shocking, painful detail precisely what we're up against.
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I love the church's reaction or rather their non-reaction. May God bless them, God bless them for not returning anger and praying for these people, may we all take this cue if this shows up in any of our churches. Praising God for their restraint and praying that God blesses them greatly.
Romans 12:17-20
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
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Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
It will get much worse. The gay agenda is going to be the vehicle of persecution toward believers in this nation, I think. But, crazy as it seems, if we're still around when the radical muslims try to take over this country, we'll be the ones trying to help gays from getting their heads chopped off.
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'Why Believe in a God? Just be Good' Ads Set to Run Next Week On D.C. Buses
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'Why Believe in a God? Just be Good' Ads Set to Run Next Week On D.C. Buses
Tuesday , November 11, 2008
Washington, D.C. —
You better watch out. There is a new combatant in the Christmas wars.
Ads proclaiming, "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake," will appear on Washington, D.C., buses starting next week and running through December. The American Humanist Association unveiled the provocative $40,000 holiday ad campaign Tuesday.
In lifting lyrics from "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," the Washington-based group is wading into what has become a perennial debate over commercialism, religion in the public square and the meaning of Christmas.
"We are trying to reach our audience, and sometimes in order to reach an audience, everybody has to hear you," said Fred Edwords, spokesman for the humanist group. "Our reason for doing it during the holidays is there are an awful lot of agnostics, atheists and other types of non-theists who feel a little alone during the holidays because of its association with traditional religion."
To that end, the ads and posters will include a link to a Web site that will seek to connect and organize like-minded thinkers in the D.C. area, Edwords said.
Edwords said the purpose isn't to argue that God doesn't exist or change minds about a deity, although "we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people's minds."
The group defines humanism as "a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism, affirms our responsibility to lead ethical lives of value to self and humanity."
Last month, the British Humanist Association caused a ruckus announcing a similar campaign on London buses with the message: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
In Washington, the humanists' campaign comes as conservative Christian groups gear up their efforts to keep Christ in Christmas. In the past five years, groups such as the American Family Association and the Catholic League have criticized or threatened boycotts of retailers who use generic "holiday" greetings.
In mid-October, the American Family Association started selling buttons that say "It's OK to say Merry Christmas." The humanists' entry into the marketplace of ideas did not impress AFA president Tim Wildmon.
"It's a stupid ad," he said. "How do we define 'good' if we don't believe in God? God in his word, the Bible, tells us what's good and bad and right and wrong. If we are each ourselves defining what's good, it's going to be a crazy world."
Also on Tuesday, the Orlando, Fla.-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative Christian legal group, launched its sixth annual "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign." Liberty Counsel has intervened in disputes over nativity scenes and government bans on Christmas decorations, among other things.
"It's the ultimate grinch to say there is no God at a time when millions of people around the world celebrate the birth of Christ," said Mathew Staver, the group's chairman and dean of the Liberty University School of Law. "Certainly, they have the right to believe what they want but this is insulting."
Best-selling books by authors such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have fueled interest in "the new atheism" -- a more in-your-face argument against God's existence.
Yet few Americans describe themselves as atheist or agnostic; a Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life poll from earlier this year found 92 percent of Americans believe in God.
There was no debate at the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority over whether to take the ad. Spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein said the agency accepts ads that aren't obscene or pornographic.
'Why Believe in a God? Just be Good' Ads Set to Run Next Week On D.C. Buses
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When is man going to learn, our own righteousness is like filth compared to God.
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The Lansing action is just a small taste of what is coming. The situation is similar in California right now but the violence has been much worse with many Christians actually being physically attacked including an 80+ yr old woman.
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Schwarzenegger Assures Same-Sex Couples Previous "Marriages" Intact
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Schwarzenegger Assures Same-Sex Couples Previous "Marriages" Intact
Legal scholars divided on fate of same-sex "marriages" contracted under Supreme Court decision
By Kathleen Gilbert
SACRAMENTO, California, November 11, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Despite continued dispute of legal scholars on the issue, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on Sunday affirmed that he believed same-sex "marriages" effected prior to the passage of Proposition 8 would certainly remain intact.
Asked on a CNN interview whether existing same-sex "marriages" would be "in jeopardy in any way," Schwarzenegger answered, "No, not at all, no," adding that the true marriage amendment of Proposition 8 would only last until "the Supreme Court turns it over."
Schwarzenegger said that one reason why California voters upheld true marriage may have been because Proposition 8 "had a strong campaign ... and I think that the people that tried to defeat it did not have maybe as good a campaign or as much money behind it."
The Los Angeles Times reports, however, that Proposition 8 supporters raised approximately $36.1 million for their campaign, while the opposition raised about $38.4 million, putting same-sex “marriage” supporters over $2 million ahead of Prop 8 supporters in funds raised.
The governor also stated that "because the Supreme Court very clearly in California has declared this unconstitutional" it is "not the end" of the fight against true marriage, and expressed hope that the state would "move forward" after Proposition 8 would be overturned in the courts.
Three separate court battles have been filed against Proposition 8. Anti-marriage lobbyists claim that adding the true definition of marriage to the state constitution is an illegal revision, rather than an amendment.
According to the Washington Post, some legal experts say Proposition 8 could be overturned if opponents convince judges that it constitutes a breach of California's equal protection law. Others believe the lawsuits stand on shaky legal ground.
One reason Proposition 8 will likely survive, according to Vikram Amar, a law professor at the University of California at Davis, is that judges are expected to uphold the will of the voters as per the democratic process. "We have this track record in California of holding our justices accountable to the popular will," he told the Post. "As a predictive matter, I just don't see this challenge as likely to prevail."
Legal experts are also divided as to whether state law will continue to recognize current same-sex "marriages," or render them null under the marriage amendment.
Anti-marriage activists are requesting California to withhold issuing all marriage licenses, including licenses for heterosexual couples, while the litigation proceeds.
Yesterday Liberty Counsel filed a motion to intervene to defend against the three lawsuits filed at the California Supreme Court by same-sex marriage advocates. Mathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of Liberty University School of Law, commented: "The proponents of same-sex marriage have thrown a 'Hail Mary' pass with no receivers down field. The law suit seeking to block Proposition 8 is patently frivolous.
"The people have a right to amend their constitution," said Staver. "It is amazing how much effort has been put in this battle to keep the people from deciding the future of marriage.
"It makes no sense that four judges can re-write the historic definition of marriage and more than 5 million people cannot restore it to its common understanding as the union of one man and one woman."
Schwarzenegger Assures Same-Sex Couples Previous "Marriages" Intact
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Well I know one thing for sure, in Arizona their marriage will not be recognized. Arizona voted to pass a constitutional amendment that insures that, marriage is between one man, and one woman. 1,039,606 - 56% voted yes, while 801,729 - 44% voted no. 12% was the difference.
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on November 11, 2008, 10:01:48 PM
The Lansing action is just a small taste of what is coming. The situation is similar in California right now but the violence has been much worse with many Christians actually being physically attacked including an 80+ yr old woman.
We do have the right to defend our families and ourselves. In fact, I consider defending our families a duty. We're not talking about a civil tort or a simple slap on the face. Serious persecution of Christians is escalating around the world, and we're talking about beatings, torture, and death. YES, it appears that these things are starting in our part of the world. We still have laws, and we don't live in a jungle yet, so survival of only the fittest is NOT in play. Self-defense and defense of our families is also part of our Laws. The system we have left will probably fail and be useless at some point in the immediate future. In the meantime, we can especially pray, but we can also defend ourselves. I'm certainly NOT talking about verbal abuse, rather of personal injuries and death. If I thought that GOD had called for us to go as lambs to the slaughter, I would go gladly and proclaim HIS HOLY NAME.
In the meantime, all Christians have much prayer and work to do. GOD has not changed our primary mission yet. We are to proclaim the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD to the lost. We are also to stand up for GOD and good - and
NEVER deny GOD or be ashamed of HIS GOSPEL!
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believe that the world was in a worse state during the times of Noah than it is today. Jesus is coming and so is judgement.
Hello GrammyLuv,
Sister, I've wondered about this several times. I think it probably was worse in the times of Noah. One thing to consider is that we do have Christians sprinkled almost everywhere - some places in more concentration than others. As Christians, we're not perfect but our MASTER is GOD - not the devil. This would in NO way hint that Christians are holy or righteous, rather many people trying to live for GOD with HIS Help and do HIS Will - again with HIS Help. One can read the Bible and surmise pretty quickly that the lusts of the flesh and abominations related to the lusts of the flesh is one of the things that GOD hates the most. What are we watching around the world that is increasing by the day?
The answer is the lusts of the flesh! It's also increasingly OPEN and in the face of GOD in a mocking way. The unnatural and perverse was such an abomination to GOD in the Old Testament that HE commanded a death sentence for it. NOTHING with GOD has changed except HIS Timing for the executions. Just thoughts...
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By Martin Beckford and Nick Britten
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 12/11/2008
Her fellow clergy may have turned the other cheek when they saw their new female vicar wore leather jackets and rode a motorbike.
But when the Rev Teresa Davies admitted after a Christmas lunch that she and her husband had an open relationship and enjoyed wife-swapping holidays in the south of France, her colleagues' Christian ideals of tolerance and forgiveness were tested to the limit.
Her parish also took objection when the 37-year-old mother-of-two also held three church services while drunk, smelling of alcohol and swaying from side to side, with the result that the choir "fell apart under her direction".
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At a tribunal yesterday, Oxford-educated Mrs Davies was found to have "acted in a manner that is unbecoming or inappropriate to the office and work of a clerk in holy orders" and was barred from ministry for 12 years.
A spokesman for the Diocese of Peterborough said: "It is always a matter of regret when any clergy fail to set an example of Christian behaviour in word and deed. We are very sorry that Teresa Davies has failed to set such an example."
Mrs Davies, who studied theology at St Stephen's House, part of the Oxford University, was ordained as a Church of England priest in 2002 and first worked as a curate at a church in Worcester.
She was appointed Team Vicar in Daventry, Northants, in 2006 and was given "special responsibility for children's work", becoming a governor at a local primary school. But at a Christmas lunch that year she told two fellow priests that she and her husband Mick, an IT consultant, had been on trips without their children in an area of the south of France "noted for the casual exchange of sexual partners".
"The witnesses claimed [she] had explained that she and her husband sought sexual gratification this way, and felt no guilt because both partners had agreed to taking part," the tribunal heard.
Mrs Davies later claimed she was just trying to be "laddish" and "shocking" but rumours spread in the parish about her open marriage. Further investigation uncovered 12 pages of comments on websites "for sexual contact", involving a couple called "Tess and Mick, Daventry".
She admitted she and her husband were swingers who met strangers for sex, with the tribunal concluding her behaviour was "scandalous and a serious breach of the guidelines". In addition, at an evensong service in September 2006 a clergyman noticed Mrs Davies "smelled heavily of alcohol and her appearance was dishevelled", and could not lead the choir as required.
Canon Owen Page said: "Musically, it was chaotic, and deeply embarrassing." At evensong later that year, another vicar said she did not appear to know the order of service and had to keep asking for help.
During an Advent service, three people noticed she smelled of drink. "She was unsteady on her feet sitting in the congregation, at times with her head in her hands, clearly unwell (with a hangover as she admitted after the service)," the tribunal heard.
After the complaints were made against her, Mrs Davies fled the parish with her husband to a new home in Birmingham where she is now training to become an RE teacher. She turned up to a disciplinary hearing late, and without any other relevant papers, but admitted the allegations against her very serious and regretted her actions and the fact that she had not sought help for her drinking problem.
Mrs Davies married her husband Mick, a 39-year-old former RAF engineer, in 1989. He runs an IT firm called Mad Computer Solutions from their home and the couple are fanatical motorcyclists.
Last year they completed the 8,000-mile Round Britain Rally, while messages on internet chatrooms show they regularly spend weekends riding around the countryside on their Honda Blackbird, staying at campsites.
One friend wrote: "I was perfectly alright until Mick and Teresa forced me to drink beer all morning, (night had already finished by the time we got back)."
Steve Nightingale, a neighbour of the Davies' in Daventry, said: "They were a very nice couple, we were invited to their housewarming and they were very friendly.
"It made everyone laugh that we had a vicar who rode around on a Harley Davidson. "I can't think that she would be involved in any kind of scandal, she was a lovely lady."
Last night Mrs Davies, clad in full leathers, refused to comment as she returned home on her motorbike.
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At a tribunal yesterday, Oxford-educated Mrs Davies was found to have "acted in a manner that is unbecoming or inappropriate to the office and work of a clerk in holy orders" and was barred from ministry for 12 years.
That was being charitable, in my opinion. I'm going to be extremely blunt, I don't consider this "unbecoming and inappropriate," I consider this a flat-out
ABOMINATION
!!
It's obvious that this couple has little respect for God's word, and this woman is to be held to a higher standard!! This is truly disgraceful!
Sorry for the rant but, I felt a need to let off some steam.
I think we are going to see more of this happening.
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