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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2003, 10:01:37 AM »

UN resolution 666 could very well be a part of the whole scheme.  But scripture is clear that "he causes ALL to receive a mark", (speaking of individuals) great and small, rich and poor.   No one could buy or sell unless they had THE mark, which is on the hand of forehead.

The greek word for mark is charagma meaning scratch, etching, stamp...its also the same as charax meaning "sharpen to a point, or "stake"  Not hard to imagine an implant at all given this definition.

However the UN resolution behind a law forcing an implant is interesting.  Thanks for the info Justanotherfollowe

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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2003, 06:08:15 PM »

No problem 2nd timothy, another interesting fact about the mark is in a way in all of, us all living things, are carbon based and the chart on carbon atom is made of 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. So if you think about it the reason that we sin is that we carry the mark 666' around in our body's, or could be God trying to comunicate to latter generation's the mark of the beast. Cool Grin
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2004, 11:30:11 PM »

  It is IMPOSSIBLE for a true Christian to receive the mark of the beast. The true Church will be Raptured a minimum of 1260 days before the mark of the beast is issued. Those who come to faith in Christ AFTER the Rapture will be Tribulation Saints, many of them martyred for refusal to accept the mark.

     Anyone who accepts the mark of the beast will be damned. The church's destiny is to be in Heaven from chapter 4 of Revelation through chapter 19.

     No Tribulation Saint will take the mark, those destined will be taken captive and martyred.

      Revelation is a scary book if you fail to understand the format given in the KEY verse of the Book, Revelation 1:19.

      For more details see the posts I wrote on the "Rapture season 2006-2007" by Two Bombs in the prophecy section.

                              Paul2
It's sad that Im so behind on the date of this post, but surely I say to you Paul2 that with all respect you're not clear as to the 1260 days of Revelation 12, the mark of the beast, and the falsely called "rapture". I would like to rekindle this topic if any replies are made.  

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2004, 02:23:12 AM »

No problem 2nd timothy, another interesting fact about the mark is in a way in all of, us all living things, are carbon based and the chart on carbon atom is made of 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. So if you think about it the reason that we sin is that we carry the mark 666' around in our body's, or could be God trying to comunicate to latter generation's the mark of the beast. Cool Grin
Um, the number is six hundred and sixty six,  not six and six and another six.  It only happens to look like 3 sixes written in our numbering system.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2004, 04:45:50 AM »

I'm laying this statement out half way because I am very tired but during the week end I'll post the whole details of the Mark of The Beast which has been taken in a very wrong way. No offense. Before one come to any conclusion, one must identify the principles of prophecy interpretation, which are not of private knowledge. The Bible answer itself when use wisely and for the solid purpose of salvation. As I said this is way off into the topic so if you don’t understand something ask me but do not draw conclusions because I have not posted the whole matter. First I’ll say that there is not such thing as a computer chip to be implanted in humans for the purpose of fulfilling Revelation 13 or anything like that. The points of identification in question are from Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. One can not study Daniel without Revelation and vice versa. In Daniel 7 its mentioned the little horn power who would arise in Western Europe after the ten divisions of the Roman Empire( for those who have venture in named some random countries and such, here are the actual name of the ten divisions in which the Roman Empire was divided in 476 A.D. which are the 10 horn of Revelation and Daniel(the feet of the statue seen by Nebuchadnezzar in the dream Daniel 2:41,42) this would be the condition of Europe after the breakup of the Roman Empire: As prophesied, it was not taken over by another world kingdom. Instead, as the Bible so clearly foretold, barbarian tribes conquered the Roman Empire and divided it. Ten of these tribes eventually became modern Europe. They were: The Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, Franks, Vandals, Suevi, Alemanni, Anglo-Saxon, Heruli, Lombards, and Burgundians. Seven of them still exist today in Europe. For example, the Anglo-Saxon became the English, the Franks became the French, and the Lombards became the Italians. Daniel 7 will tell the fascinating story of the power that destroyed three of these then divisions. ) 1-.It would mix paganism with Christianity. 2.- It would command people to worship it (therefore it would be a religious power). 3.- It would persecute those who disagreed with it. 4.- It would blaspheme the God of Heaven. 5.- It would reign for 1260 years. 6.- It would receive a deadly wound, recover from it, and have all the world worship it once again. 7.- Its boldest claim would be that it had change the times and the law. We can take these marks of identification, go to any encyclopedia or history book, examine the history of the Dark Ages when  the Bible said this power would arise, and we would discover that there is only one power that meets every one of these identifying marks. That power is the papacy. Please remember that I’m talking about a system that has arisen in opposition to God. There are many good, sincere people in the papacy who love and serve Jesus. God loves them, and in mercy He has sent them this warning so that they might not be deceived by this power. Let’s re-examine the identifying marks of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 and see how clearly the papacy has met every one of these marks of identification.

DANIEL MARKS OF IDENTIFICATION
A-. It arouse among the ten divisions.
      As the Roman Empire divided into ten divisions, another power emerged as the unifying power among all the ten divisions of the Roman Empire. That power was the papacy. No other such power arose among the ten divisions of the Roman Empire at that time.


B-. It plucks up three horns
      As the Papal power emerged among the ten divisions of the Roman Empire, there   were three powers that refused to submit to the bishop of Rome. They were the Heruli, The Vandals, and The Ostrogoths. To achieve full unity, the papacy encouraged armies to destroy these three powers. Indeed three horns were plucked up. The last of those powers was destroyed in A.D. 538.
C.- Eyes like the eyes of a man
      At the head of the papacy sits a man, making the decisions that affect the lives and souls of thousands of people.
D.- It had a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
      He committed blasphemy. According to Scripture, blasphemy consist of three things:
        1.- Daniel 5 indicated that it is blasphemy to mix together paganism and Christianity. As pagans came flooding into the church in those early centuries, the papacy changed the pure doctrines of early Christianity. It tried to make it easier for the pagans to adjust to Christianity by incorporating pagan practices into the Christian faith. For example, the pagans were use to worshipping gods and goddesses, whereas Christians worshipped only one God. Therefore, the church introduced the practice of praying to the saints. This took the place of the household gods of paganism, making it easier for these unconverted pagans who had entered the church to adjust to Christianity. In addition, Christianity had no female deity, so the papacy elevated Mary to take place of Jesus Christ as the only mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5). There were many other pagans practices that Rome Christianized during this period. “We are told in various ways by Eusebius, that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees, incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness, holy water; asylums, holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleisen, are all of pagan origin ,and sanctified by their adoption into the Church” John Henry Cardinal Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, Longmans, Green & Company, London, 1920 P.373

2.-  Blasphemy is for a man to claim that he can forgive sins. Mark 2:7. Notice the claim of the papacy to be able to forgive men of their sins:
       A.- “And God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priest and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse to give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it” Duties and Dignities of the Priest by Liguori, p.27
       B.- “Were the Redeemer to descend into a church, and sit in a confessional to administer the sacrament of penance, and a priest to sit in a confessional, Jesus would say over each penitent: ‘Ego te absolvo’. The priest would likewise say over each of his penitents, ‘Ego te absolvo’, and the penitents of each would be equally absolved”. Ibid p.34
       C.- “The priest holds the place of the Saviour himself, when by saying ‘Ego te absorvo’, he absolves from sin.” Ibid
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2004, 05:35:05 AM »

3.- Blasphemy is to claim the prerogative of God (John 10:33)
        a.- “Hence priests are called the parents of Jesus Christ:such is the title that St. Bernard gives them, for they are the active cause by which he is made to exist really in the consecrated Host”. Ibid p. 32
        b.- “Thus the priest may, in a certain manner be called the creator of his Creator, since by saying the words of consecration, he creates as it were, Jesus in the sacrament.”Ibid.
        c.- “All names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope”. On the Authority of Councils, 1619 ed, book 2 ch. 17
        d.- “We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty”. The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo, XIII, p. 304
        e.- “Thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman; finally, thou art another god on earth” Christopher Marcellus Oration in the Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512) in Mansi SC, Vol. 32, Col. 761(Latin)

As you can see when one examines the Roman Catholic quotations cited, there can be no question that the papacy has spoken great words against the Most High, blasphemed God, and combined paganism with Christianity.
     
E.- Makes war with the saints
      More people were killed by the papacy during the Dark Ages than by Hitler in World War II:
          “That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history”. History of the Rise and Influence of Rationalism in Europe. Vo. 2 p. 32, W.E. H. Lecky, author.

F.- Think to change the times and the law. I’ll explain this one later on.

G.- To reign for 1260 years
       The Papacy had established its power in A.D. 538 when the last of the three powers was subdued. The decree of Justinian making the popes head of the church and corrector of heretics, issued in A.D. 533, took effect in 538, when no power stood in the way of the Pope having full supremacy. Exactly 1260 years later, in 1798, Berthier, the French general under Napoleon invaded the Vatican and took the pope prisoner ending the temporal sovereignty of the Pope. His long reign lasted exactly 1260 years.


IDENTIFICATION MARKS FROM REVELATION
A.- It received its power, seat and great authority from the Dragon
       The dragon primarily represents Satan (Revelation 12:9). However, the devil works through various agencies, in this case, pagan Rome. The Roman emperors moved the capital of the Roman Empire from Rome to Constantinople, thereby leaving the Pope the chief power in the West. They put the power of the Caesars behind in Christianity. Truly Pagan Rome gave the Papacy his power, seat, and great authority.

B.- It received a deadly wound
      When Berthier, the French general, took the Pope prisoner in 1798, he inflicted the deadly wound. Many thought the Papacy had come to its end and could never recover. Indeed it had received a deadly wound.

C.- The deadly wound was healed
       In 1929 Mussolini once again restored the Vatican to the Pope, making him again a secular as well as a religious ruler. Today the Vatican is recognized by many governments on earth. Even the United States of America sends an ambassador to the Vatican, recognizing the Vatican State as secular as well as religious state. As one observes the developing Papacy today, one sees indeed the whole world wondering after this power.

D.- People worshipped this power
      One only has to watch the acts of the obeisance that people pay to the head of the papacy to know that this power is an object of reverence and worship. During his 1260 year reign, few earthly governments dared defy this power. He held the keys to life and death for thousands of individuals.

E.- It spoke great words and blasphemy
F.- It was to reign for 42 months (Same as 1260 years or days )
G.- It made war with the saints
H.- All the world worships it today
 Please for the fulfillment of the above four marks of identification, see points D, E and G under Daniel 7.

I.-  And of course it has a number that adds up to 666
      Notice that Revelation 13:18 does not say the number 666 is written out. Rather it says that to discover the number of the beast, one must count the number of the beast, or add it up. An ancient custom was to use the Roman numeral system on people’s names, adding up the various totals of the letters. That would then be the person’s number. The Bible says the beast has a number, and the numbers add up to 666. One of the official titles of the head of the Roman Church in Latin is VICARIVS FILII DEI, meaning “Vicar of the Son of God”. Please notice below that the numerical value of the letters of his name add up to the Biblical 666:
V-   5     F- 0       D-500
I-    1   I-  1        E-  0
C-100  L-50        I-  1
A-   0    I-  1    --------               112
R-   0    I-  1          501                 53
I-   1    -----                              501
V-   5       53                             -----
S-   0                                         666
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   112
                                           
   So the Papacy fits the sixth point. As we can see this is the actual 666 is has nothing to do with computer chips or credit cards. The actual fact the it says that some will have the mark in their foreheads or in their hands is simply that they will consciously accept this power decree of false day of worship this will symbolically will receive the mark in their forehead because with your mind you make decisions. Those who will receive it in their hands means that they will not accept what the power is saying but they'll not performed any work on that day establish as the mark of the beast which is Sunday worship. Be advice that the mark has not been established yet. NO ONE HAS THE MARK EVEN THOUGH THEY WORSHIP ON SUNDAY. (SUN DAY DAY OF THE GOD SUN, ESTABLISH BY EGYPTIAN BROUGHT INTO CHRISTIANIRY BY CONSTANTINVE MARCH 7 327 AD.)

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2004, 08:24:59 AM »

lpaisan,

I will only use a small quote from you here...

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The actual fact the it says that some will have the mark in their foreheads or in their hands is simply that they will consciously accept this power decree of false day of worship this will symbolically will receive the mark in their forehead because with your mind you make decisions. Those who will receive it in their hands means that they will not accept what the power is saying but they'll not performed any work on that day establish as the mark of the beast which is Sunday worship. Be advice that the mark has not been established yet. NO ONE HAS THE MARK EVEN THOUGH THEY WORSHIP ON SUNDAY. (SUN DAY DAY OF THE GOD SUN, ESTABLISH BY EGYPTIAN BROUGHT INTO CHRISTIANIRY BY CONSTANTINVE MARCH 7 327 AD.)

There is nothing, whatsoever, in scripture that describes what you have said here.  This is not conspiricists of the world unite.

This is what scripture says...

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


These two verses mean exactly what they say!

1. HE will cause both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand of forehead.

2. No man without this mark can buy or sell.

Plain and simple!   The only way that anyone can say these two things said here by John is speaking about sabbath worship is totally allegorizing scripture and is completely out of left field.   There is nothing in the text to indicate papal conspiracy or sabbath worship at all.   It is very plain and simple to understand the 2 points.   Its a mark.....he causes everyone to receive it in their hand or forehead, and without it, you cannot buy or sell!

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Before one come to any conclusion, one must identify the principles of prophecy interpretation, which are not of private knowledge. The Bible answer itself when use wisely and for the solid purpose of salvation. As I said this is way off into the topic so if you don’t understand something ask me but do not draw conclusions because I have not posted the whole matter.

The principles of interpreting scripture is first to read what it says, and 2 believe it.  Salvation comes through Grace by faith alone.  Nothing more!  We can't earn it, we can't buy it,  we don't obtain it by observing the sabbath.  Its a free Gift from God.   Without accepting this gift freely by faith, there is no salvation and there is no hope of understanding the truth of his word.   Until you start here, there is not even any point in going to Revelations or Daniel.

Grace and Peace!
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2004, 11:57:31 AM »

2ndT - AMEN!
It is such a tragedy that men will take 20 clearly written words from scripture and expand it to 1,000 words of their choosing to support their own twisted conclusions.  
“Jesus Wept”.
I’ve seen TOMES written on that two word verse, but the two words stand alone and nothing can add to or take away from the meaning.

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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2004, 01:04:59 PM »

2nd Timothy, I'm not going to even try make you reason. It is very clear that you have no idea how to study prophecies. For you information, I think you should know that history is a blessing from God to us that we may know exactly in what page of world events we are. I didn't post this for you or your companion here, JudgeNot, but rather for those who are wise and slow to judge. "Judge not, but if you must, do it righteously...." That what the Lord Jesus Christ said. You have not read the beginning of my replies. I said this is half way through the subject. You just don't take Revelation 13:18 and say "I got it!" you must trace things so that you know who is who and what happened, so that weak interpretation and off line conclusion wont be drawn.

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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2004, 08:57:27 AM »

2nd Timothy, I'm not going to even try make you reason. It is very clear that you have no idea how to study prophecies. For you information, I think you should know that history is a blessing from God to us that we may know exactly in what page of world events we are. I didn't post this for you or your companion here, JudgeNot, but rather for those who are wise and slow to judge. "Judge not, but if you must, do it righteously...." That what the Lord Jesus Christ said. You have not read the beginning of my replies. I said this is half way through the subject. You just don't take Revelation 13:18 and say "I got it!" you must trace things so that you know who is who and what happened, so that weak interpretation and off line conclusion wont be drawn.

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My reasoning is founded in a litteral interpretation of scripture.  I have no reason to reason with man.  Revelation 13:18 says what it says, just like many other verses you refuse to read plainly.   I am sorry this verse does not agree with your doctrine, but apparrently God has his own agenda.  I for one accept his word at face value and believe it.  You have not offered any scripture to explain why buying and selling mentioned in this verse means anything else, or why it would.  Instead, you lanch into a lengthy post that is not even your own words which appear to come from a copy and paste technique you are using to post documents from your favorite web sites.   Identical article found here, with a sprinkle of personal thoughts here and there.   Hopefully this is not "your idea of how to study prophecy".  Show us YOUR work and explain why John describes the mark being required for everyone so that they can buy or sell.  Then prehaps we can get somewhere.  I originally started this post so that others could discuss (including Jabez!) this topic, and I welcome your replies as well.   A Bible is all thats required, and the holy spirit is your best guide.   Gods word is truth, and all of us can gain from reading and comparing our own understanding of it.   All I ask for is discussion based on Gods truth, not someone elses theory about what a verse is trying to say.  What does it say to YOU?

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Thanks Tim....  the site is telling....
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« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2004, 03:21:42 AM »

2nd Timothy, I'm not going to even try make you reason. It is very clear that you have no idea how to study prophecies. For you information, I think you should know that history is a blessing from God to us that we may know exactly in what page of world events we are. I didn't post this for you or your companion here, JudgeNot, but rather for those who are wise and slow to judge. "Judge not, but if you must, do it righteously...." That what the Lord Jesus Christ said. You have not read the beginning of my replies. I said this is half way through the subject. You just don't take Revelation 13:18 and say "I got it!" you must trace things so that you know who is who and what happened, so that weak interpretation and off line conclusion wont be drawn.

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Oklahoma Howdy to lpaisan,

You've got me confused here. Are you studying prophesy, or are you cutting and pasting canned material from a 7th Day Adventist Site? Whose interpretation and conclusions are we talking about here, and where is the copyright information?

I think that quite a few folks here have opinions based on many years of their own study of the Holy Bible. It's a novel approach, but personal Bible study yields interpretations and conclusions that don't resemble the article you posted. Some independent study on your part might help you with the truth. I say this in Christian love. There is peace and joy resting in Christ 24/7/365, and the ceremonial Jewish Sabbath is just as gone as burnt offerings. Why would any Christian wish to rest in Christ only 1 day a week instead of 7, and why would any Christian wish to be under the bondage of the law instead of the Grace of God?

The shadows of many things to come were replaced by REALITY AT THE CROSS. Let me ask you one question to see if you have a clue what I'm talking about. Do you know the location of a temple filled with the HOLY SPIRIT?

Love In Christ,
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2004, 02:49:06 PM »

  I now belive that I was incorrect in mentioning Guns being the mark of the beast
   In fact the Mark is (in my opinion) $$$

       and the Beast in my opinion is G-unit
           50 Cent Lloyd BANKS young BUCK
         
         "all men great and small to accept a mark in your right hand or in your forhead"
                               "Can't buy or sell unless he has this mark"

         All names having to do with currency
          Gods mark is most likely Baptizim which Sanctifies the soul

         GOD BLESS ALWAYS
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2004, 01:14:28 PM »

 I now belive that I was incorrect in mentioning Guns being the mark of the beast
   In fact the Mark is (in my opinion) $$$

       and the Beast in my opinion is G-unit
           50 Cent Lloyd BANKS young BUCK
         
         "all men great and small to accept a mark in your right hand or in your forhead"
                               "Can't buy or sell unless he has this mark"

         All names having to do with currency
          Gods mark is most likely Baptizim which Sanctifies the soul

         GOD BLESS ALWAYS



    New evidence that Kanye west ( who is a member of the Roc-a-fella team givin power by Jay Z) also has alot to do with this In his video Through the wire  he walks past a moral on a wall that says GODS SOILDERS with the names of those who died for the Lord And West spits on the ground directly in front of it and at the end of the video he stands in front of a poster that Says Chaka on it and through computer tech. the words thank you appear at the bottom of the screen (worshiping false Gods) and the links on his site lead to G-unit n' 50 Cent
           
               If u wanna check this out yourself The site is Kayneworld.com

          GOD bless all of you who see this as well
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2004, 12:19:55 PM »


News Security  
 

Iris scanning to begin at German airport
 
By Dinesh C. Sharma
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February 13, 2004, 11:05 AM PT
 
 
A test of an iris-scanning system is set to begin Saturday at the Frankfurt, Germany, airport, as part of a project involving 18 European countries.
Airline passengers will be required to stand in front of an identification device whose cameras will automatically capture images of their iris patterns, companies participating in the trial said Friday. The iris systems--seven of which have been installed at the airport--will then identify the passenger's iris and match that information with the passport data captured by a scanner. If successful, the iris system could replace conventional systems for checking identity at airport immigration counters.

Initially, residents of European Union countries and Switzerland who fly frequently....


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