Israel and Syria - Several news items that look towards Isaiah 17

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The missile defense system at Israel's Dimona nuclear reactor is on high alert due to concerns that Syria might target it in an attack. Israeli officials say the Dimona facility is "on the top of [Syria's] list."

According to a report published in the British Sunday Times, the Dimona nuclear reactor was placed on red alert 30 times last week.

It's one thing for Israel to punch out a plant in Syria, but it's another whole can of worms if they attack Israel, because Israel will give them a serious black and blue hurt, and, you know..... that could be Damascus going off the map.

[nChrist]

It's one thing for Israel to punch out a plant in Syria, but it's another whole can of worms if they attack Israel, because Israel will give them a serious black and blue hurt, and, you know..... that could be Damascus going off the map.

Brother,

That's exactly what I was thinking. Bible Prophecy clearly states that Damascus will cease to exist, so it's really just a matter of when. Syria doesn't appear to have much common sense in this area, so they could easily force something like this soon. Missiles provided to Syria from Iran, North Korea, and China will probably start a deadly chain of events. They will use what they get and it's really just as simple as that. Sadly, the same is true for many countries obtaining nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. It's like giving Dennis the Menace a pea-shooter and knowing that he will definitely use it.

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Israel hopes to resume talks with Syria

By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press Writer Tue Nov 13, 4:14 PM ET

JERUSALEM - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has sent messages to Syrian President Bashar Assad that he is interested in reopening peace talks and suggested Israel would return territory it captured 40 years ago, Israeli officials said Tuesday.

Israel hopes a resumption of talks with Syria would moderate the bitter foe and win Damascus over in the regional effort to counter Iran's fundamentalist influence, a Foreign Ministry official said. With a U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference two weeks away, Israel also wants a Syrian option open in case talks with the Palestinians fail, they said.

However, the officials said in the contacts with Olmert's emissaries, Assad indicated he is not interested in renewing negotiations with Olmert, viewing the Israeli leader as too weak politically to implement a peace agreement. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has himself sent Israeli envoys based abroad to meet with Assad, the Israeli officials said.

Olmert's and Barak's offices would not confirm that they have sent messages to Assad.

Olmert has said he wants Syria to participate in the Mideast conference, set for Annapolis, Md., but the United States has not agreed to Syria's demand that the agenda include talks on the possibility of Israel returning the Golan Heights, a strategic plateau Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

Israel-Syria peace talks broke down in 2000 with an Israeli offer on the table to return the Golan Heights down to the international border. Syria insisted on further territory that would give it control of the east bank of the Sea of Galilee. There were also disagreements over the extent of peaceful relations.

Israel hopes the opening of a Syrian track now could offset a possible breakdown of negotiations with the Palestinians, a Foreign Ministry official said. Israel and the Palestinians have so far been unable to agree on a framework document to precede the Annapolis meeting, and Olmert has been playing down its prospects.

Olmert told parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Monday that he was "ready for peace with Syria and prepared to conduct negotiations with no preconditions — on condition they (the Syrians) abandon the 'axis of evil' and don't support terror," according to participants in the meeting.

Israel and the United States criticize Syria for hosting the headquarters of radical Palestinian groups and backing the Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas.

When asked by lawmaker Ran Cohen if he was holding talks with Syria, Olmert said "I don't have to tell you about everything that I do."

Cohen said Tuesday that Olmert gave lawmakers the clear impression that contacts with Syria were already under way.

"This is his first hint that he is holding some sort of negotiations with Syria," said Cohen, a member of the dovish Meretz Party. "It was fairly clear to everyone sitting there that he is doing something and not saying anything about it."

Assad hopes through possible negotiations with Israel to win favor with the United States, said Alon Liel, an expert on Syria and former Israeli diplomat. Assad will agree to resume talks with Israel only if the United States agrees to mediate them, Liel said Tuesday.

But the Bush administration has been cool to the idea.

"As long as Syria depends on Iran economically and militarily, it can't hold talks with Israel," Liel said. "Assad needs the Americans. Even if he gets the Golan and even if he signs an agreement with Israel, he loses Iran, he loses the world."

Tensions between Israel and Syria have been high following an Israeli airstrike two months ago against a facility in northern Syria. Commercial satellite images have indicated a site for a future nuclear reactor might have been destroyed, but Syria has denied developing such a reactor.

Chances for war between the longtime enemies have dropped in recent weeks, in part because of calming statements by Olmert and Barak.

Israel hopes to resume talks with Syria

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Syria May Try To Down Israeli Passenger Plane
International

Fears that Syria may attempt to attack Israeli passenger planes has led to the implimentation of a string of stringent security measures by the Israeli security establishment that includes cancelling flights to Turkey, boosting the number of security guards on specific flights that are considered sensisitive and changing the landing and take off locations in some instances, as well as flight routes.

Possible threats taken into account include firing missiles at stationary planes at airports before they take off,  or after they have landed. Assessments by Israel's security establishment point to the possibility that Syria may try to down an Israeli plane in response to the air strike inside Syria in September,according to a report that appeared in the daily Ma'ariv newspaper.

The report said Israeli security officials treat seriously comments made by Syrian President Bashar Assad that Syria will choose the time and the place to respond to the Israeli air strike. Because of these assessments,  the entire security detail of Israeli planes has been changed and extra manpower brought in to enhance the safety and security of Israeli passengers.

The newspaper report noted that due to the situation, airport authorities and Israeli airline companies decided  to  cancel flights to various Turkish destinations until the threat has been lifted.

In 2002, missiles fired at an Israeli Arkia charter plane in Mombassa narrowly missed it as it prepared to take off for Tel Aviv. The same day suicide bombers blew up at the Israeli owned Paradise Hotel near Mombassa, killing 13 people including three Israelis. Al Qaida later claimed responsibility for both attacks.14/11/07

Syria May Try To Down Israeli Passenger Plane

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Syria to attend upcoming Mideast summit
jerusalem post staff
THE JERUSALEM POST
Nov. 15, 2007

Syria will be attending the upcoming US-sponsored Mideast summit in Annapolis, the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram reported on Thursday.

Quoting a Palestinian source based in Damascus, the report claimed that Syria came to their decision after they received assurances that the United States would openly extend to them a formal invitation to the parley, rather than using discreet channels through the Arab League.

Meanwhile, opposition from Palestinian leaders to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as the "state of the Jews" intensified on Wednesday, threatening to derail the planned post-Annapolis attempt to renew substantive peace negotiations.

Nonetheless, Olmert - who reiterated on Wednesday that there could be no such talks without explicit Palestinian recognition of Israel as the Jewish state - is confident that the Annapolis joint statement of principles, which is still being negotiated between the two sides, will satisfactorily resolve the issue, The Jerusalem Post was told.

Veteran Palestinian peace negotiator Saeb Erekat said Wednesday that the Palestinians would never formally recognize Israel as the Jewish state.

"Israel can define itself however it sees fit; and if it wishes to call itself a Jewish state, so be it," he said in an interview with the satellite station Al-Arabiya. "But the Palestinians will never acknowledge Israel's Jewish identity."

In similar vein, Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salaam Fayad was quoted by Israel Radio as rejecting Olmert's demand as unacceptable.

On Tuesday, PLO Executive Committee member Yasser Abed Rabbo also dismissed the demand, stating: "It is only a Zionist party that deals with Israel as a Jewish state, and we did not request to be a member of the international Zionism movement."

Olmert has stressed repeatedly in recent days that there can be no negotiations whatsoever between Israel and the Palestinians until they acknowledge that Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and that he has made this clear to both the Palestinians and the Americans in the run-up to the Annapolis summit scheduled for the end of the month.

According to a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office on Wednesday, following Olmert's meeting with visiting European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana, Olmert "referred to Israel's insistence that the foundation for the post-Annapolis negotiations with the Palestinians be recognition of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people."

Olmert, the statement went on, "made it clear that from Israel's point of view, this issue is not subject to either negotiations or discussion."

Earlier this week, Olmert declared that "Israel is a state of the Jewish people. Whoever does not accept this cannot hold any negotiations with me."

Despite the apparently irreconcilable positions on this issue, the Post was told by well-placed sources on Wednesday night that Olmert believed the Annapolis joint statement would address the matter satisfactorily, enabling negotiations to proceed.

Israel, the sources pointed out, came into being in the wake of the UN General Assembly's approval 60 years ago of the partition of Palestine "into Jewish and Arab states." The entire basis of the two-state solution, they added, revolved around the notion of the Jewish state, Israel, alongside the Arab state sought by the Palestinians, Palestine.

"We are not the Israeli nation," the sources said. "We're the Jewish state."

A lot of negative rhetoric was being heard from Palestinian officials, the sources acknowledged, saying, "They're going to have to resolve some of those contradictions."

Syria to attend upcoming Mideast summit

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Israel Training With Tactical Nukes
Israel - Middle East
Monday, November 19, 2007
Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor

The government of Israel has let it be known that Israeli Air Force pilots are currently undergoing training for a tactical NUCLEAR strike against Iran's nuclear program to prevent Ahmadinejad from getting the Bomb.

The Israelis intend to use precision laser bombs followed up by low-yield tactical nuclear bunker-buster bombs to hit Iran's hardened underground facilities. The training exercise calls for the use of two Israeli Air Force squadrons to carry out the attack.

The London Sunday Times quoted one of its sources saying, “As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished."

Israeli intelligence assessments conclude that conventional weapons won't be enough to totally annihilate the three main targets, a uranium conversion plant near Isfahan, the heavy water reactor at Arak, and the Natanz facility that Ahmadinejad boasted now has 3,000 centrifuges online.

Israeli officials believe that destroying all three sites would delay Iran's nuclear program for years and prevent the Jewish State from living in fear of sudden nuclear destruction from the east.

Noted Israel Insider, "Dr. Ephraim Sneh, the former deputy Israeli defense minister, said last month: "The time is approaching when Israel and the international community will have to decide whether to take military action against Iran."

But he lamented that; "At the end of the day it is always down to the Jews to deal with the problem."

The Insider also reported that the US "is believed to be backing away from military action in Iran, and the new US defense secretary, Robert Gates, has described a strike against Iranian targets as a "last resort", leading Israelis to believe that it will be left to the IAF to strike."

Moreover, the Insider said Israeli officials do not expect to get a green light from the US to use tactical nukes -- the IAF intends to operate unilaterally as necessary.

If the IAF plans proceed to fruition, Israel will be the first nation to use a nuclear weapon against an enemy since the United States dropped "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945.

A number of US analysts believe that Israel leaked the story to the London Sunday Times deliberately as a message to Iran.

The Israeli Insider quoted one such analyst, who told them;

"In the cold war, we made it clear to the Russians that it was a virtual certainty that nukes would fly and fly early. Israel may be adopting the same tactics: 'You produce a weapon; you die'."

I don't doubt that Israel wants Iran to know that it intends to deploy tactical nuclear weapons. Israel no doubt also wanted the world to know of its intentions in advance in order to gauge global reaction.

It is worth remembering that this story originated with the London Sunday Times, which is Great Britain's answer to the New York Times as that nation's newspaper of record -- (except the London Times still has the international credibility once shared by the Gray Lady in New York).

The point is, this story is NOT some unsourced rumor picked up from an internet blog. It was the featured report in one of Great Britain's oldest and most prestigious newspapers, read in capitals the world over.

And it reported that Israel was preparing for a first-use nuclear strike against Iran's nuclear facilities! The world's reaction was. . . it was . . well, ummm . . . I ran a Google news search on the keywords "Israel" "tactical" and "nuclear" to see.

There were TWO articles -- one from YnetNews and the other from the Israel Insider. Both hyperlinked to the London Times report, but apart from that, there appears to be a deafening silence. No outraged editorials from the Saudis or Egyptians or from al-Jazeera. No protests in the streets.

In 1981, when Saddam was about to flip the switch that would bring his Osirek nuclear processing plant online, Israel began conducting training simulations that telegraphed their intention to destroy it.

The global reaction in 1981 was not unlike the reaction to the Times' report. Even the Arabs remained silent, and in the decades since, there has been an unspoken acknowledgment that Israel did the world a favor.

It would seem the world is prepared to accept another favor from the Jewish State.

Israel Training With Tactical Nukes

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A Mideast nuclear war?
By MARTIN WALKER (UPI Editor Emeritus)
Published: November 21, 2007

WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- Anthony Cordesman (his report on this) may be the most influential man in Washington that most people have never heard of. A former director of intelligence assessment for the secretary of defense and director of policy and planning in the Department of Energy, he is now the top strategic guru at the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

Most serious politicians and journalists have for some years based their analyses of the Iraq war and its aftermath on his universally respected research. Cordesman is a facts man who likes and reveres good data and cool, clinical analysis as the keystones of policymaking.

He has now turned his laser-like research and forensic intelligence skills to studying the real implication of the endless diplomatic minuet at the United Nations over Iran's nuclear ambitions. In the real world, this matters mainly because an Iranian nuclear capability would transform the power balance in the wider Middle East, and leave the region and the rest of us living under the constant prospect of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.

This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some 16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days, and between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. "Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term," Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel's 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.

The assumption is that Israel would be going for Iran's nuclear development centers in Tehran, Natanz, Ardekan, Saghand, Gashin, Bushehr, Aral, Isfahan and Lashkar A'bad. Israel would also likely target the main population centers of Tehran, Tabriz, Qazvin, Isfahan, Shiraz, Yazd, Kerman, Qom, Ahwaz and Kermanshah. Cordesman points out that the city of Tehran, with a population of 15 million in its metropolitan area, is "a topographic basin with mountain reflector. Nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

But it does not end there. Cordesman points out that Israel would need to keep a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on Iranian strike." This means Israel would have to target "key Arab neighbors" -- in particular Syria and Egypt.

Cordesman notes that Israel would have various options, including a limited nuclear strike on the region mainly inhabited by the Alawite minority from which come the ruling Assad dynasty. A full-scale Israeli attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million people within 21 days; Syrian recovery would not be possible. A Syrian attack with all its reputed chemical and biological warfare assets could kill up to 800,000 Israelis, but Israeli society would recover.

An Israeli attack on Egypt would likely strike at the main population centers of Cairo, Alexandria, Damietta, Port Said, Suez, Luxor and Aswan. Cordesman does not give a death toll here, but it would certainly be in the tens of millions. It would also destroy the Suez Canal and almost certainly destroy the Aswan dam, sending monstrous floods down the Nile to sweep away the glowing rubble. It would mean the end of Egypt as a functioning society.

Cordesman also lists the oil wells, refineries and ports along the Gulf that could also be targets in the event of a mass nuclear response by an Israel convinced that it was being dealt a potentially mortal blow. Being contained within the region, such a nuclear exchange might not be Armageddon for the human race; it would certainly be Armageddon for the global economy.

So in clear, concise and chillingly forensic style, Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran's nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.

Cordesman concludes his chilling but dismayingly logical survey with the warning: "The only way to win is not to play."

A Mideast nuclear war?

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I think the psychological impact of using any nuclear weapon, tactical or strategic, would be intense.

[nChrist]

I think the psychological impact of using any nuclear weapon, tactical or strategic, would be intense.

Here we would have to consider the maturity and common sense of leadership in countries like Iran. If Iran had nuclear weapons, the decision making process would NOT be intense. Instead, it would be an impulse and spur-of-the-moment type process, and this is the reason why Iran and countries like them must never have nuclear weapons. It would be like Dennis the Menace with a pea-shooter and promising not to use it. We really would have to get down to this maturity level to consider future threats. After all, we wouldn't be talking about adults when considering Iran, Syria, and North Korea. The situation would deteriorate greatly when considering various terrorist organizations. The reality is that the use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons in the future will be impossible to prevent. However, those with any common sense should still TRY!

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IAF strike in Syria also targeted radar station

Aviation Week reports Israel's September strike on Syria targeted radar station near Syrian-Turkish border. US supplied strategic information but was not actively involved, says magazine

News agencies
Published: 11.22.07, 15:36
Israel News

The United States provided Israel with strategic information about the Syrian air defense systems prior to the Israeli Air Force strike on a suspected nuclear site in Syria, the US based Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine reported Thursday.

According to aerospace industry officials quoted in the report, the US was monitoring the electronic emissions coming from Syria during the IAF strike. 

The strike, said Aviation Week, targeted not only the suspected nuclear reactor being developed at Dayr az-Zawr, but also a Syrian radar station located at Tall al-Abuad, near the Syrian-Turkish border.

The Israeli fighter jets, reported the magazine, flew over Syria without alerting Syrian air defenses.

The radar site was apparently hit with both precision bombs and an electronic signal, which allowed IAF jets to fly through Syrian airspace undetected.

The report stressed that there was "no active US engagement other than consulting on potential target vulnerabilities."

The analysts quoted in the magazine said they didn't believe that any part of Syria's electrical grid was shut down, but did contend that network penetration involved both remote air-to-ground electronic attack as well as penetration through computer-to-computer links.

"Offensive and defensive network warfare is one of the most interesting new areas," said Pinchas Buchris, director-general of the Israeli Defense Ministry. "I can only say we're following this technology closely. I doubted this field five years ago, but we did it. Now everything's changed.

"You need this kind of capability," added Buchris. "You're not being responsible if you're not dealing with it; and if you can have this kind of capability, than the sky's the limit."

IAF strike in Syria also targeted radar station

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NKorea discussed chemical arms technology with Syria
AP
AP - Monday, November 26

TOKYO - North Korean experts discussed how to load chemical weapons onto missiles when they met with officials in Syria during a secret visit to the country earlier this month, a Japanese newspaper said Monday.
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Damascus invited the experts for their advice as part of Syria's drive to develop its short-range "Scud C" missiles, the conservative Sankei newspaper said, citing unidentified individuals familiar with Middle East affairs.

The testing has been halted since July after one of the surface-to-surface missiles exploded at a military complex near the northern city of Aleppo, the Sankei said in its Washington-datelined story.

The explosion took place at the site of a joint Iranian/Syrian project to fit short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads, according to Jane's Defense Weekly. Jane's cited Syrian defense sources as saying it happened during a test to fit a Scud C missile with a mustard-gas warhead when fuel caught fire at the production site.

The North Koreans gave the Syrians advice on using chemical weapon warheads during discussions on safety procedures and related matters, the Sankei said.

Western experts believe Syria has a stock of chemical weapons. However, Damascus has never acknowledged it has any weapons of mass destruction and has publicly called for ridding the Middle East of any such weapons.

North Korea, which has provided Syria with missile technology and support since the 1980s, has rebuffed all overtures to sign an international treaty banning chemical weapons.

Earlier this year, Israel launched an airstrike against a Syrian military installation that reportedly was a nuclear facility made with North Korean help.

Damascus denies it has an undeclared nuclear program, and North Korea has said it was not involved in any Syrian nuclear project.

NKorea discussed chemical arms technology with Syria

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Syria, Israel peace talks plan


Robin Wright
November 30, 2007

RUSSIA and the US are tentatively planning a second Middle East peace conference, in Moscow in early 2008, with major parties hoping to begin a comprehensive peace effort that would include direct talks between Israel and Syria.

Syria's delegate to this week's talks in Annapolis said that Damascus wanted the Moscow gathering to begin negotiations between Syria and Israel over the Golan Heights, a border region seized by Israel during the 1967 War.

"It is our hope that we can revive the Syrian track in Moscow," Syria's deputy Foreign Minister, Fayssal Mekdad, said.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert indicated that he hoped at some point to resume talks with Syria, but cautioned that the time is not yet ripe. He said Syria must change its behaviour, notably its support for Hezbollah.

But the presence of a Syrian delegation in Annapolis "may be the beginning of a reconsideration" on the part of Damascus, he said.

Mr Olmert said US President George Bush indicated privately that he had no objection to an Israeli dialogue with Syria if Israel determined this was in its own interest. Mr Bush's only admonition to the Israelis, he said, was: "Don't surprise us."

After talks at the White House, Mr Bush promised Mr Olmert and Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas his full support to overcome deep doubts on whether new peace talks could yield an accord next year.

Mr Abbas and Mr Olmert were to return home to confront sharp scepticism from friends and foes alike over the peace drive.

Mr Bush, who called Middle East peace "something we all want", did not invite Mr Abbas or Mr Olmert to speak at the event in the White House Rose Garden, and the three leaders did not shake hands. The muted moment was in sharp contrast to the ebullient 1993 handshake on the South Lawn between the then US president, Bill Clinton, the late Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, and the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

The new peace push won a cautious show of support from the 22-member Arab League, whose chief, Amr Mussa, cited "misgivings" but warily welcomed the agreement to thaw negotiations that have been frozen during President Bush's seven years in office.

Syria, Israel peace talks plan

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Interesting that Russia wants to host peace talks with Syria and Israel.

It would boost Putin's image a lot with the Muslim world, if (and thats a pretty big if) he can get the Golan Heights back to Syria. The mountains of Israel (Golan Heights) which are never going to leave the hands of Israel again are going to be brought to the negotiating table by the land of Magog (Russia). But this is only my opinion, of whats coming. I can sure see how that could play into prophecy coming to be fulfilled.

[nChrist]

Interesting that Russia wants to host peace talks with Syria and Israel.

It would boost Putin's image a lot with the Muslim world, if (and thats a pretty big if) he can get the Golan Heights back to Syria. The mountains of Israel (Golan Heights) which are never going to leave the hands of Israel again are going to be brought to the negotiating table by the land of Magog (Russia). But this is only my opinion, of whats coming. I can sure see how that could play into prophecy coming to be fulfilled.

Brother,

The pieces are definitely falling together and the major players are in place. It's almost unbelievable that the entire leadership of Israel is blind to what GOD has said will most definitely happen. It's even more amazing that most of Israel's future has been recorded in the Old Testament for thousands of years, and they can't see it. The great scholars of the Torah have missed it entirely, including the Prophecy of the First Coming of CHRIST. This is the "blindness in part" that the Bible also speaks of, but many Jews have accepted JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Revelation 11:1-13 NASB
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

[HisDaughter]

What ever happened to the November Conference?  Since I was offline I missed it.  That last I heard was there were only 4 days left of Nov. and they still had happened yet.