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Author Topic: Saved by GRACE, NOT Faith  (Read 5813 times)
ollie
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2003, 08:37:27 PM »

Saved by grace through faith.

Ephesians 2:8.  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2003, 01:50:31 AM »

Dear All

The faith part, I'm in agreement with Ollie.

       I believe we recieved Salvation when we say yes to Jesus.  After all, didnt Jesus say all the time, He who believeth?
       Now I have a friend who is Calvinist, and he believes Faith is a work because it is we who says yes.  A Work?  Now I do understand that yes, it is we that save ourselves but it really a work when a person simply Repent - to change ones mind or purpose (Not an about face nor continual abstanence) and believe (Trust) Jesus for our Salvation and that we have eternal security?  Faith happens in the Heart and Mind (Once).  The definitrion of Faith can be found in Hebrews 11:

1   Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

       What makes Faith a work however, is when you have to have Faith every time - now that is work contrary to Ephesians which clearlty distinguishes Faith and Works.

Ps.  I can't bare to read long pieces, please make your answer short and verses - one by one


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"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Proverbs 30:4 & Ephesians 2:8-9
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