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« on: May 01, 2007, 01:35:29 AM »

This is always a fun topic to discuss. Smiley
Can the existance of God be proven?
If you are trying to prove the existance of God to a skeptic that will only except cold hard facts, can the existance of God truely be proven?  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 01:53:33 AM »

Yes!  Provided the individual is reasonable.

For example...suppose you were the skeptic, and I said, "see this web page?  Look around and see the design, the buttons, the images, the text?"  The creation proves there was a web creator/designer, even though you've never seen him nor met him, or know him.  the mere evidence demands that he exists.  Same thing with a picture, a building, or the universe.

  See...that was easy...lol 
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 02:21:09 AM »

Ok, now convince a scientist who leans toward evolution and the big bang theory. Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 02:28:10 AM »

Sure....

ask him if he considers himself to be a good person!
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 02:51:37 AM »

(I'll let you play the part of the evolutionists)    Wink
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 10:41:29 AM »

Both can be proven. The problem is in the person accepting the proof that is laid before them, not in providing the evidence. There have been numerous evolutionary scientists that have become Christians and now support creation because of their own research convincing them of the truth. There is a list of some of these scientists posted in a thread, "Biblical Creation vs Evolution" that is in the Bible Study area. There is also a book posted in the Bible Study area, "In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood", that was written by one of these scientists.

There are those that will not accept these evidences as proof but rather would twist these facts to use as proof of their beliefs. Their "hearts are waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed".

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2007, 01:09:06 AM »

Thanks PR. I have been looking at some other forums that have athiest. It is amazing to me at what lengths they go to to disbelieve. They say the same about the lengths Christians go to to defend the Faith. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2007, 01:36:14 AM »

Brothers and Sisters,

The absolute REALITY of GOD is in the hearts of Christians - GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. This is the reason why Christians know beyond any doubt that GOD exists. Unfortunately, we can't turn our heart inside out and show the lost this absolute REALITY. Regardless, it's impossible to please GOD without faith. Faith wouldn't be faith if undeniable proof in a concrete and scientific way was standing before someone. BUT, in many ways, GOD is standing before all of us in HIS CREATION. This makes me think of Doubting Thomas who had to see and feel the holes of the nails.

GOD made manifest in the flesh, JESUS CHRIST, gave mankind more signs and wonders than would ever be required for men to believe, but that still wasn't enough. This is a part of recorded history, and the time of the world is set on these events (i.e. B.C. - A.D.). As a result, none of these things could have ever happened in the minds of those who still deny JESUS CHRIST and GOD. What is their problem?

A host of prophecies from the Holy Bible have already come to pass, and that should count for something. As a contrast, nothing has come to pass or been proven in the silly theory of evolution. Why would men more easily believe the theory of evolution than the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE? The only answer I have is that many men love the darkness, and believing in GOD would put a cramp in their style and behavior. Maybe they don't want to be accountable to the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. That's fine, but nothing will change the fact that all men will be accountable completely to the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE - like it or not.


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Psalms 111:7-8 NASB  The works of His hands are truth and justice; All His precepts are sure.  They are upheld forever and ever; They are performed in truth and uprightness.

Matthew 1:23 NASB  "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2007, 08:39:20 PM »

Regardless, it's impossible to please GOD without faith. Faith wouldn't be faith if undeniable proof in a concrete and scientific way was standing before someone. 

You took the words out of my mouth!  I was presented with that same question by an atheist, and that was my explanation also.  I also told him that there is nothing God can't do.  He would have given us a scientific way to prove his existence.....had He so desired.

John 20:29   Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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Heb. 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 09:18:37 PM »

Hello Faithin1,

I was just thinking that it would be thousands of times harder to prove that GOD doesn't exist. With or without the Bible, that couldn't be done. There are mountains of evidence and documentation that GOD does exist, even if the Bible had never been written. In fact, Jesus Christ is the most written about in the history of mankind, with or without the Bible.

I honestly do believe that not wanting to be in subjection to a MASTER is a big part of denial for the lost. After all, if they recognize that GOD does exist, there would also be a natural urge to pay attention to GOD, honor GOD, worship GOD, and obey GOD. A vain man walking in darkness doesn't want to do that. He or she wants to be their own master and do what they want to do without any concern. Isn't this really at the root of disbelief and rejection? I think that it is. As an example, how many children naturally want to obey their parents.

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Psalms 105:3-4 NASB  Glory in His holy name; Let the heart of those who seek the LORD be glad.  Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His face continually.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2007, 10:59:18 AM »

There are mountains of evidence and documentation that GOD does exist, even if the Bible had never been written.

Amen!  I really don't know how anyone can look at the beautiful mountains, oceans, flowers, trees, stars, moon....too many to list, without realizing that God is the creator, and they are all 'evidence' of his majesty and glory.  One reason I have so many houseplants is because I love to watch them grow, knowing that it is possible only because of God. 

It's sad that so many people never take the time to just sit and look at the sky, or the birds.  Several years ago, my mother and I spent an entire day sitting at the beach in Cancun, doing nothing other than looking at the water and the sky.  We had only intended to spend a short time there that day, but we were so in awe, we couldn't leave.  My mother said it looked as though God was at that very moment painting a picture just for us.  I watched the documentary 'Planet Earth' and all I could think of was how wonderful God is to have given us so much beauty.  Just think, this is nothing compared to what awaits us in heaven!
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2007, 02:57:07 PM »

All of Creation crys out of the Creator. But only to the ones who will listen.
This verse to me has more than one layer of meaning. Not only do I think the stones would cry out their worship of God, I think they are crying out through the archeological evidence that supports the truth of the Bible.

Luke 19:39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2007, 11:43:58 PM »

I did get to watch portions of a couple of episodes of Planet Earth recently, and I was amazed. I did keep telling myself There is the handiwork of ALMIGHTY GOD!

The vanity of man claims exploration of the moon and portions of outer space. The reality of man is that he doesn't know the secrets of a single grain of sand yet. In everything, man should be able to see the absolute MIGHT, POWER, AND MAJESTY OF THE CREATOR - ALMIGHTY GOD! After thousands of years, many men refuse to be humbled and bow to the CREATOR. I wished they knew that they would bow before the CREATOR one day and it would be for the purpose of receiving judgment earned and deserved. There won't be any mocking on that day. May GOD soften their hearts to hear the GOOD NEWS of JESUS CHRIST and the CROSS before it's too late.

Love In Christ,
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Colossians 3:15-16 NASB  Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2007, 01:46:18 PM »

I can imagine the utter shock from unbelievers when the truth is finally revealed to them.  Then, every knee bows, and every tongue confesses, JESUS IS LORD!  What a glorious day that will be.  Sadly, many will refuse to believe until that time.

Phi 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Rom 14:11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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