Do You Believe What Paul Told Women To Do?

[Tamara]

True, and this is what All is getting at.  He consults the head crew member, his wife.  And that is what marriage is all about, togetherness, love, respect, giving and sharing as one person.  And I believe this is what Paul mean't when he stated man was head of the marriage union.
Marriage is forever together.  The wife walks beside her husband in all matters regarding the welfare of their marriage, children and finances.
And, he is the one to answer to God!  If a wife denies her husband the right to chastise the children ect; and pulls against him, in the end, there is more discord than in the beginning.
Paul's words are a reminder that woman was created from man in the beginning.  God could have taken a bone from Adam's foot and made a woman.  But, he chose a rib.  
The ribcage encloses, and protects the 2 vital living forces of life itself. Heart and lungs.  
Being a wife as in the book of Proverbs is a happy life. And, I believe Father God wanted we women to know what is right in his sight insofar as a woman's role beside her husband.
A good wife is more precious than jewels.  And likewise, a good husband is more precious than gold.
To love, honour and OBEY.  should never be treated lightly.
Paul's words have rung throughout the centuries, but today, many women seem to prefer that some of Paul's words didn't exist.  Why?  

Love...Tamara.

[Tamara]

Amen sister!  Fortunately my wife agrees with me!  

Love it All!!! Love it!!!!!

Tamara...

[Romans8_1]

We must remember that this doctrine of submission applies to all ... to all.  We are to submit to each other, to our bosses, to our government, to all.  As long as it does not require us to negate Christ.  Ephesians 5:21 starts this with "Submitting yourselves one to  ANOTHER in the fear of God" and continues this theme of mutual submission for the next 20 verses or so.  Many people would call Paul a sexists.  That is not his intent.  If we are submitting to one another, and we acknowledge that this does not define our value as a person, then we are living as Christ did.  Through OUR obedience to Him, we pray that others will be blessed, and all Glory will go to Him who accomplishes these things.

[Tamara]

Hi Romans!
People HAVE called Paul sexist, and stated that he 'puiffed up with pride'.
But, your posting is so true.  We obey Christ first, then, in time, our husbands who should be obedient and submissive to all authority.  Then, we follow our husbands example.  Oh how many times dis I say to my late husband "I don't know who to vote for! I don't follow these political things!" and he would explain and then allow me to make up my own mind.  After he went to the trouble of explaining in small detail, I'd ask "Who are you voting for?"  He'd tell me and...hahah!
Being a widow now, I miss that guiding hand of love and gentleness.  Of having that trusted shoulder to lean on.  
Father always guides us to the right man if we place our trust in Him completely.
And, he leads men to the right girl too!  
I believe this is what Paul was talking about.  Faith, and trust first in Christ Jesus and Father God.  Then, all things work together for good to those who simply believe  in Father. In EVERY Inspired word, and definitely, in His Love for His children.
This can only bring about good as we have the Fruits of the Holy Spirit.  
And the Fruits of the Holy Spirit working in unity in a marriage  can only bring about a marriage of beauty and quality.  A family of the same.  What can be more beautiful than that?
Love...Tamara.

[Allinall]

God could have taken a bone from Adam's foot and made a woman.  But, he chose a rib.  
The ribcage encloses, and protects the 2 vital living forces of life itself. Heart and lungs.  

I once heard a pastor use this aspect of the woman's creation in a marriage ceremony.  He pointed out how that the woman was made, not from a bone from Adam's head so as to rule over him, nor from his foot so as to be held down by him.  Rather she was made from the bone of his side, where she would stand - both to help and to be protected.  I thought that was a beautiful assessment.  Sadly enough, many of us fail to live this out.  We place our wives under our feet by what we expect them to do, or treat them as though they try to be the head, when more times than not, they simply want us to step up.  We even neglect to protect them.  Sure, if someone comes up and tries to harm my wife I'll knock out a tooth or two, but do I do what I can to help her have her time with God each day?  If not, am I truly protecting her?

I ramble.  Just a thought...

[Brother Love]

I have come up against some pretty nasty women in my time but  recently I came across a group of women who believed Paul was still 'phariseeical' when he wrote the epistles and therefore his words mean nothing.  I agree with every word he wrote.  Especially about women and their place in the church.  And, that a man is head of the house.  I was just wondering if you do too?

God Bless, and Love

Tamara.

Sure do.

Brother Love

[Tamara]

It makes me happy to hear that Brother.  
Whitehorse, a wife must have her space to be with her God alone.  Even if just for a little while.  If not, she is being hampered a little.  
To both of you, as a woman, and a widow, I can say that a woman likes to be led gently, advised and guided.  And...she likes to be loved and shown love by a thoughtful husband.  She doesn't want roses every day.  Or boxes of chodcolates.  She just wants little things which show how much you care.
Just a smile often speaks a million words.
How to handle a woman?  Love her.

Love...Tamara.

[Heidi]

It's simply a fact that men and women were created differently. We live in a society where the gifts of women are seen as inferior to the gifts of men. This has resulted in women competing with men for men's roles. This is so sad. Men's bodies are simply stronger than women's. I am not offended by that. I, as a woman, have my own gifts. I believe the intellectual capacities are similar in both men and woman. I personally feel that a woman who doesn't have to prove her intellectual capacities but instead, stands back and allows her husband to shine is showing him real love. That takes strength and humility which I think Paul is talking about. One wonders whether Bill Clinton would have been faithful to Hillary had she shown him this kind of love instead of seeking the limelight.

[Saved_4ever]

Oh yeah the Clintons.    Two people who can't recall anything in court who both got paid millions to write their memoirs.    I really wonder how acurate the tales will be.  

[Tamara]

It's simply a fact that men and women were created differently. We live in a society where the gifts of women are seen as inferior to the gifts of men. This has resulted in women competing with men for men's roles. This is so sad. Men's bodies are simply stronger than women's. I am not offended by that. I, as a woman, have my own gifts. I believe the intellectual capacities are similar in both men and woman. I personally feel that a woman who doesn't have to prove her intellectual capacities but instead, stands back and allows her husband to shine is showing him real love. That takes strength and humility which I think Paul is talking about. One wonders whether Bill Clinton would have been faithful to Hillary had she shown him this kind of love instead of seeking the limelight.

Heidi....DITTO!

[Symphony]

Good point, Saved4.

Yes, Tamarra, I know several christian women who don't like Paul at all.  They ignore or avoid him.

Another chiristian woman I know seems to take it to the other extreme--everything you mention to her is automatically passed on to hubby, and everthing is this submissive thing almost to the point of legalism.  It's very hard to deal with her sometimes, since it comes across rather rigid and wooden.

Paul presents us with a beautiful "ideal"....

[Tamara]

True Symphony,  and I fear for Paul's letters.  I feel within myself that since the women's liberation movement, women will try to have many of Paul's words for women taken out of the Bible just as they are trying to have the words about homosexuals taken out.
If women lose these words, what do we expect?
Some women love authority.  When Paul told us to submit, he didn't mean for us to be slaves and to act stupid about it.  He mean't for us to look upon our husband's as head of the house and to act sensible in that respect.
A woman was mean't to walk by her husband's side in all matters.
She was mean't to lean on her husband.  To discuss things with her husband, and to love her husband.  To create a happy loving home for him to come home to.  Nice home cooking and a nice warm fire when it's cold.
This type of living creates harmony.  And, Paul told us to be equally yoked.  Harmony creates the equal yoking together of a man and his wife.

I pray that young ones will allow Father God to be in control of their lives and allow HIM to choose their life long mate.  That way, they would be less divorce!

Love...Tamara.

[curious]

 Paul was a Rabbi,even after he was saved.Rabbi meaning teacher.What Paul told the churches how women should act was how the synagogues said that should act.

              Love,
              curious

[Ambassador4Christ]

I have come up against some pretty nasty women in my time but  recently I came across a group of women who believed Paul was still 'phariseeical' when he wrote the epistles and therefore his words mean nothing.  I agree with every word he wrote.  Especially about women and their place in the church.  And, that a man is head of the house.  I was just wondering if you do too?

God Bless, and Love

Tamara.

What Paul said God said.
Believe It!

[Tamara]

Thanks Ambassador. I do believe it.  It's strange too...one of those nasty women fell rather ill recently.  They are all praying for her now...
I add my prayers.  
The words of Our Father are not to be scorned.  What He said...He mean't.  When He chose Paul, He chose a dedicated man.  A man who was willing to go to any lengths to preach Jesus, because he believed.
His story as an apostle is sensational.  His words have reached down to us through the centuries.  But then, Jesus stated "My words shall not pass away."
These words of Paul are as applicable today as they were 2000 years ago.  Both to men, and to women.  
Those nasty women seemed to kick a part of my soul.  Their visciousness and spite was shocking.  And...the moderators allowed it as they seemed just as bad.
I am a widow and live alone because I chose to become more spiritual and to just live with my God.  They knew that...
And...never will I go against the words of Paul nor any other writer insofar as the Bible is concerned.
God is LOVE.  A little part of me is missing now due to all the grief I bore.  But NEVER will I go against the words of Paul.
Now, I feel rather proud of myself!  I actually stood up for Paul and the Words of God in the midst of ravening wolves!
Alone!  Wow!  That's pretty awesome really!


Love...Tamara.