“The Most Serious Assault Against Christianity” is … The Da Vinci Code?

[nChrist]

Hello Kelly4Jesus,

Sister, I think that most Christians see both sides of this issue and will simply have to pray and do what they feel led to do.

A lot of the perceptions on things like this might have something to do with age. Something like this would not have been done by Hollywood when I was growing up. That was a time when something as simple as an affair could result in the end of a star's career. Things were so different that the comparison would be like between daylight and dark. People doing business in various communities had choices to make. It they wanted decent people to do business with them, they had to maintain Christian standards or be boycotted permanently by Christians. Many young people would have a hard time understanding this, but that's the way it was. AND, yes, I like the old ways.

So, you're welcome to throw blunt objects at me. 

Love In Christ,
Tom

 Isaiah 12:2-3 NASB  "Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; For the LORD GOD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation." Therefore you will joyously draw water From the springs of salvation.

[Kelly4Jesus]

Hey bro!
I don't thow blunt objects. I am old, need glasses and miss--which ends up having me hit with the blunt object that I threw! 

I am so old fashioned that people think I grew up in a different era. I do hear you on what you are saying and agree. At one time, I lived at an aunt's home as a kid, and she was part of the women's union in Massachusetts. When we shopped, we boycotted anything that wasn't American made. She made me pick up everything to see what the sticker said on the bottom, so we only supported American workers. I understand what you are saying completely. I grew up in the same era.

I just think that, in today's society we can take the bad and make something good out of it. Instead of always boycotting and protesting, we can take the worst instance and make something good out of it. Oh, if only more would ask questions about Jesus after this, and want to know the true word..that would be wonderful. However, many are so influenced by Hollywood depictions these days that, it is hard to know what will come of this. I do believe, however that, when this movie loses its hype, we will be right back to where it was before the controversy began. Oh, if only the Bible could get this much exposure. Then, we would have nothing to protest, but to only feel pure joy as we talked about it!

I live in Kansas..it is supposed to be Oz..which is a dreamland (and trust me, Kansas is no OZ). Humor me..I tend to dream the seemingly impossible dream sometimes.

God Bless bro!
Kelly

[Shammu]

I am going to hide now, in the event I have blunt objects thrown my way

God Bless!

Why Kelly, I'm not going to throw anything at you.

As Hollywood expands in their claim to riches by making such controversial movies that put Christianity down, I do believe that they will have to answer for these things, when our Savior comes back. I do not believe they will be pleased.

I don't think they are going to like what they will recieve either.

[Shammu]

Now here is a suprise............................

Muslim parties ask Christians to protest 'Da Vinci Code'
Islamabad - Conservative Muslim political parties like Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) have urged Christian leaders in Pakistan to protest the release of 'The Da Vinci Code'.
2006-05-20 07:45:40

Islamabad - Conservative Muslim political parties like Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) and Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) have urged Christian leaders in Pakistan to protest the release of 'The Da Vinci Code'.

The MMA and JI have appealed to the Christian community to participate in a protest demonstration, PPI news agency said.

After the publication of 'blasphemous' sketches of Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper, which caused worldwide protests, the release of the movie was a conspiracy against religions, they said.

The MMA and JI planned a protest demonstration at the Karachi Press Club against 'The Da Vinci Code', a film that has sparked a furore among Christians in parts of the world, the Dawn newspaper said.

A delegation of MMA and JI leaders, led by Muslim Pervez, Friday visited various churches in Karachi and met priests to garner support for the move to protest the worldwide release of the film.

The delegation said the film was sacrilegious and termed it an attack on faiths by the West and an attempt to fuel a clash of civilisations.

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[Shammu]

Nothing to fear from 'Da Vinci,' says Catholic activist
League's Donohue calls movie 'inane,' 'slumbering' – credit's Howard's 'sensitivity'
Posted: May 20, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A leading Catholic activist is telling Christians their worries, building for months, over yesterday's release of "The Da Vinci Code," have been wasted on an "inane," "slumbering," "anti-climatic" movie that "fails to persuade" and flounders more on its poor quality than its anti-Catholic theology.

"This was one of the most inane films I have ever seen," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, after viewing the movie on opening day.

"It takes forever to get going, and even when it finally does, it fails to sustain the momentum," he said. "Indeed, it somehow manages to revert back to its original slumbering style, delivering one of the most thoroughly anti-climatic endings ever to grace the screen."

The theater was packed, said Donohue, but at the end only three or four people clapped and an equal number hissed. "Most just walked out in a zombie-like fashion, eerily mimicking the characters on the screen."

Donohue's experience mirrored that of an audience of critics who panned the movie earlier this week at its Cannes premiere. The Associated Press reported that some walked out of the theater in the closing minutes and others hissed and whistled while credits rolled.

Variety, the film industry's bible, called "Da Vinci" "a stodgy, grim thing," in an online review this week.

"Nothing really works. It's not suspenseful. It's not romantic. It's certainly not fun," wrote Stephen Schaefer of the Boston Herald.

"There are too many symbols and too many arcane codes," he said, "but the real reason the movie fails is because it lacks suspense, is hopelessly melodramatic, and is way too long. The few times the audience laughed was due to a quip made by one of the characters. These moments were much appreciated – it broke the boredom."

Last month, Vatican official Archbishop Angelo Amato asked Catholics to boycott the movie based on Dan Brown's best-selling book. In the novel, Brown claims Jesus Christ married Mary Magdalene and still has living descendants – a secret the Catholic church has been covering up for centuries.

Donohue never joined the boycott chorus but sought, unsuccessfully, a disclaimer on the film that its story was fiction.

"As for the anti-Catholic nature of the movie, it is a credit to Ron Howard that he softened the edges," said Donohue. "To be specific, the conversation about the divinity of Christ, and about religious belief in general, was portrayed with greater sensitivity to Christians than was depicted in the book. But in doing so the film may have lost some of its punch. I say this not because I would have preferred a more in-your-face style, but because it simply happens to be true."

The vice chairman of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines-Catholic Initiative for Enlightened Movie Appreciation, which had rated the film as "disturbing" because of its portrayal of the origin of Christianity and its attacks on the Catholic Church, echoed Donohue after seeing the film. Mario Sobrejuanite said the movie "is much subdued" because its attack against the Catholic Church is "lesser."

"The treatment is very different. There are lots of elements in the film not found in the book," he told the Baguio Sun-Star, a Philippine paper. Nonetheless, he added, "it directly antagonizes our belief."

"I am mildly appreciative if [Howard] softened the story a little," said Donohue. "But frankly, what matters to me most is that the movie is being regarded as such a bomb that only a fool would believe its thesis."

[airIam2worship]

Hello Kelly4Jesus,

So, you're welcome to throw blunt objects at me. 

Love In Christ,
Tom

Sister Kelly what Brother Tom really means by blunt objects are for example, marshmallows, or cotton balls, but his all time prefrences is a fresh strawberry whipped cream pie. 

[Soldier4Christ]

Da Vinci II: Studio lines up next blockbuster at Vatican

Senior executive at Sony Pictures says they're ready to do 'Angels & Demons'



A CONSPIRACY thriller set in and around the Vatican could be the next Dan Brown novel to receive the blockbuster treatment after the box-office triumph of The Da Vinci Code.

Audiences have not been deterred by the film’s lukewarm reception from critics. It has taken more than $200 million (£106 million) in the past three days, enough to propel it into Hollywood’s top four opening weekends, according to Jeff Blake, the vice-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

He said: “We are certainly exceeding all of our expectations and pointing towards being one of the top ten opening weekends of all time.

“We don’t know where in the list we fit in but that much looks guaranteed. We think we will have taken at least $200 million at the box office over the three days.”

Unlike The Da Vinci Code, the other films on the list are all special-effects-driven and eight out of ten are sequels. Two Harry Potter films, two Matrix films and two Lord of the Rings films line up behind the fifth Star Wars film, Attack of the Clones, which grossed more than $250 million in its opening weekend.

Sony Pictures, the studio behind The Da Vinci Code, is hoping to bring another novel by Brown, Angels and Demons, to the big screen, a senior executive told The Times yesterday.

Tom Hanks could return to star as the Harvard symbologist Robert Langdon, who appeared in the book and will be the hero of Brown’s next novel. Mr Blake said: “We are very interested in filming Angels and Demons. We hope that the relationship with Dan Brown will be a long one. That could be the next project.”

Angels and Demons was the reclusive author’s third novel after he gave up his job as an English teacher. It tells the story of Langdon’s brush with a shadowy secret society, the Illuminati, and his frantic quest for the world’s most powerful energy source, in the company of a beautiful Italian physicist whose father, a brilliant physicist, has been murdered.

The formula may sound familiar to fans of The Da Vinci Code, his fourth book, which has become a publishing phenomenon, selling more than 45 million copies. It concerns Langdon’s brush with a shadowy secret society, Opus Dei, and his frantic quest for the Holy Grail in the company of a beautiful French cryptologist whose grandfather, the Louvre’s curator, has been murdered.

The film of The Da Vinci Code, which also stars Audrey Tautou, Paul Bettany and Sir Ian McKellen, had its world premiere at the Cannes Film Festival last week before opening at cinemas worldwide.

Critics were not inspired, with James Christopher, of The Times, calling it “a cat’s cradle of lunatic ideas with lashings of religious psychobabble”. The Da Vinci Code had relied on “a story and a cast and an idea”, Mr Blake said. “Those are not normally the essence of a blockbuster these days.”

The film has benefited from the book’s popularity, a prodigious promotional campaign and lashings of controversy. Religious groups have taken exception to Brown’s suggestion that Christ married Mary Magdalene and had a child by her, acts covered up by the Roman Catholic Church for 2,000 years.

Thai viewers narrowly escaped a confusing film-going experience when plans to cut the last ten minutes as a sop to protesters were shelved at the last minute. Christian groups in India, Pakistan, and South Korea marched in protest.

In Italy senior cardinals called on Christians to boycott the film, a cinema chain in Sardinia is refusing to show it and councillors in the town of Ceccano, south of Rome, burnt a copy of Brown’s book in the main square. That has not stopped the film shattering local box-office records. It took €2 million (£1.4 million) in Italy on its opening night.

[nChrist]

Sister Kelly what Brother Tom really means by blunt objects are for example, marshmallows, or cotton balls, but his all time prefrences is a fresh strawberry whipped cream pie. 

   Now we're talking. You might even add a little bit of coconut to the pie. Then you could throw all the pies you wanted at me.

[Kelly4Jesus]

With all this throwing of things, cash is better--I dont gain weight on that! Then again, I never really tried a diet of cotton balls before 

[airIam2worship]

Well if they light and fluffy, don't try it cause it could result in you getting fluffy, we don't want that!!   

If we had money believe me we woulldn't be throwing it, we will share it of course, but if we were to throw quarters or dimes or nickels OUCH they can hurt. 

Brother Tom you said coconut Right??

Coconut coming up, DUCK

[nChrist]

Well if they light and fluffy, don't try it cause it could result in you getting fluffy, we don't want that!!   

If we had money believe me we woulldn't be throwing it, we will share it of course, but if we were to throw quarters or dimes or nickels OUCH they can hurt. 

Brother Tom you said coconut Right??

Coconut coming up, DUCK

Wouldn't you know it - I picked something dangerous.

[airIam2worship]

You didn't say shredded or whole or creamed
       

[linssue55]

It is no secret that Christianity in the USA, UK and other nations is increasingly under fierce attack in the media, in schools, in the courts and, all too often, even in churches. In a culture that systematically seeks to discredit Christ and His Word, theologian (and Chicago-area pastor) Dr. Erwin Lutzer has made this observation: “The Da Vinci Code is the most serious assault against Christianity that I have ever witnessed.”1

In light of such a bold statement, let us take a closer look at Dan Brown’s immensely popular novel, the soon-to-be-released movie of the same name and their possible impact on the church and culture.
The novel

Although Dan Brown would have us believe that “all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate,”2 The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction, complete with good guys, bad guys and narrow escapes. Its protagonist, Harvard cryptologist Robert Langdon, is a fairly passive character with little complexity. Also, the novel’s plot twists are predictable at best, and the writing, although occasionally quite good, is unmemorable. It is passably entertaining as “popular” fiction,3 but hardly the type of novel that would stand the test of time to become a classic. And yet, The Da Vinci Code has become a worldwide sensation.

The great draw to this otherwise unremarkable novel is its central conspiracy theory, which, very simply put, sees Jesus married to Mary Magdalene. After Jesus’ death, Mary then supposedly fled with their child and became, over time, a symbol of the “sacred feminine” of ancient paganism.

This theory is hardly new to Dan Brown; any serious student of ecclesiastical history will be familiar with this ancient (albeit aberrant) tradition, which has long been held as heresy by Catholics and Protestants alike.4 However, one need only delve (and not even very deeply) into the “historical” basis for this tradition to be convinced that it is, indeed, fiction.

Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln5 make this startling admission concerning their own research:

    We sought only to winnow through [the Gospels] — to locate certain fragments of possible or probable truth … fragments that might attest to a marriage between Jesus and the woman known as the Magdalen. … In order to find them, we realized, we would be obliged to read between lines, fill in certain gaps, account for certain caesuras and ellipses. We would have to deal with omissions, with innuendos, with references that were, at best, oblique. 6

But the assault against Christ and His Word, the Bible, in The Da Vinci Code runs much deeper than the mere rehashing of an ancient conspiracy theory. By planting seeds of doubt in the reader’s mind concerning how the Bible came into existence, the novel—and presumably the movie as well—becomes a direct assault against the authority of Scripture. According to Mr. Brown’s fictional historian, Leigh Teabing,7 the Roman Emperor Constantine picked through the ancient gospels and chose the ones that suited his political agenda, thus creating what we now have as the Bible, while willfully suppressing other, more viable, documents.8 (In reality, the canon of Scripture was not put forth at a church council until after Constantine’s death—the Nicene Council of Constantine’s day was much more concerned with the deity and nature of Christ.) Brown’s “fictional” history lesson is pseudo-academic chicanery that has been repeatedly refuted by historical and biblical scholars.9

Ideally, only the very naïve will be taken in by such assertions made in a work of fiction; the sad truth, however, is that much of the population is already very naïve concerning the Word of God, and worse, many are desperate for an excuse not to believe and obey it.10 For them, the cleverly presented falsehoods in The Da Vinci Code will be all the justification they need to continue to deny the authority of the Bible.

Ironically, it is in this context that many readers will first be introduced to the fascinating topic of the “Fibonacci Sequence and Divine Proportion.” See the sidebar for more about this remarkable evidence that supports creation, not evolution.
The assault

Is Pastor Lutzer, then, correct to label The Da Vinci Code as “the most serious assault against Christianity” of our time? In a sense he has come close to the truth, for the greatest attack against Christianity and Jesus Christ is, and has always been, the purposeful assault against His Word. However, in this war, The Da Vinci Code is only a small cog in a much greater wheel. How many theologians and Christian leaders find themselves up in arms against a mediocre work of fiction, while continuing to teach that God’s Word can’t be trusted in all 66 books, especially Genesis? The Da Vinci Code will someday go quietly out of vogue, while generations of Christians continue down that slippery slope of unbelief that begins with compromise. It is on this battleground that the real war is being waged.

Whether or not a believer chooses (with discretion) to read The Da Vinci Code or watch the upcoming movie, it remains imperative to be informed of all aspects of the assault against the Word of God—whatever form it takes—and to “be prepared to give an answer” (1 Peter 3:15) in order to gently and intelligently overcome any obstacle to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Golden Ratio

The book mentions Leonardo Fibonacci di Pisa, a thirteenth-century mathematician who discovered a series of numbers with a very curious quality.

Fibonacci’s sequence begins with zero, then one, then each subsequent number is the sum of the two previous numbers (0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, etc.). After the first several numbers, the ratio between any two numbers in the sequence is 1.618 (i.e., the second number is 1.618 times greater than the previous number).

What makes this discovery so significant, and how does it relate to the creation/evolution controversy? The ratio 1.618, known by the ancient Greeks as the Divine Proportion or Golden Ratio, is found virtually everywhere, both in nature and in art, music and architecture. It appears in spirals such as pinecones, pineapples, seashells, horns, sunflowers and many others; it is the ratio between each of our finger bones, arm bones and leg bones. The number of leaves or petals on a plant is often a Fibonacci number; this is why a flower with five petals is more pleasing to the eye than one with four petals.

Our perception of beauty is very often (unconsciously) based on the ratio 1.618. Knowing this, composers and artists—including Leonardo da Vinci—frequently base their works on the Divine Proportion. While many of Brown’s assertions concerning this phenomenon are questionable or outright false,* the ubiquity of the Divine Proportion, or phi, in nature is well documented. It is difficult to imagine a more powerful evidence for design, although Mr. Brown’s fictional characters draw the wrong conclusion.**

* Brown’s assertion, for example, that the ratio of female to male honeybees in “any beehive in the world” is phi; Brown, p. 94.

** “When the ancients discovered PHI, they were certain they had stumbled upon God’s building block for the world, and they worshipped Nature because of that.” Brown, p. 95.

I beleive the devil know's his time is short so the pricipalities and powers are in full trottle these days.  The christians that watch this movie, I HOPE allow God the Holy Spirit to guide them in knowing the truth of it.  For those that don't (christians) they are following the doctrines of demons.  Free will always come before choices, I just hope christians make the right choice if they watch this movie. Only God know's?

[nChrist]

Hello Linssue55,

Sister, we already know that the Holy Bible tells us that many will be deceived and fall away in the last days of this age. I'm not saying these are the last days of the age of Grace, but they could be. I find it amazing how easy it is for people who don't believe the Bible to believe other materials that are total garbage. An excellent example is Darwin's theory of evolution. Many Christians even fell for that one and had to discard part of the Holy Bible to do it.

Other ancient materials are on the way that will assault the Holy Bible and the things of GOD. These are times where a Christian's best defense is prayer and to spend large amounts of time in GOD'S WORD to become strong. The so-called Gospel of Judas is on the way and many ancient writings labeled as garbage thousands of years ago are also on the way. They deceived hosts in that day, and they will deceive hosts again. Again, this should be a time of prayer and much Bible study by Christians. If one looks on the Internet, hundreds of ancient cults are again becoming popular. WHY? - The devil is desperate to get everyone to believe ANYTHING other than JESUS CHRIST and the CROSS. JESUS CHRIST and the CROSS is the devil's worst nightmare. If these are the last days of this age of Grace, Christians should expect to see the devil devour hosts. BUT, hosts will also accept JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR, so Christians should not become discouraged. Just the opposite, Christians should pray, pray some more, and yield to GOD in the work HE has for us to do. Regardless of what the devil does, the promises of GOD in the Holy Bible are iron-clad. GOD'S WORD will never return void.

It's amazing to see how much interest there is in the world for ancient writings that conflict with the Holy Bible. It would be wonderful if the same people showed the same interest in studying the Holy Bible. I hope and pray that every Christian puts on the whole armor of GOD and goes forth to do GOD'S will. Every Christian should sow, reap, and labor for the LORD until HE comes to take us home.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 1:10-13 NASB  He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

[linssue55]

Hello Linssue55,

Sister, we already know that the Holy Bible tells us that many will be deceived and fall away in the last days of this age. I'm not saying these are the last days of the age of Grace, but they could be. I find it amazing how easy it is for people who don't believe the Bible to believe other materials that are total garbage. An excellent example is Darwin's theory of evolution. Many Christians even fell for that one and had to discard part of the Holy Bible to do it.

Other ancient materials are on the way that will assault the Holy Bible and the things of GOD. These are times where a Christian's best defense is prayer and to spend large amounts of time in GOD'S WORD to become strong. The so-called Gospel of Judas is on the way and many ancient writings labeled as garbage thousands of years ago are also on the way. They deceived hosts in that day, and they will deceive hosts again. Again, this should be a time of prayer and much Bible study by Christians. If one looks on the Internet, hundreds of ancient cults are again becoming popular. WHY? - The devil is desperate to get everyone to believe ANYTHING other than JESUS CHRIST and the CROSS. JESUS CHRIST and the CROSS is the devil's worst nightmare. If these are the last days of this age of Grace, Christians should expect to see the devil devour hosts. BUT, hosts will also accept JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR, so Christians should not become discouraged. Just the opposite, Christians should pray, pray some more, and yield to GOD in the work HE has for us to do. Regardless of what the devil does, the promises of GOD in the Holy Bible are iron-clad. GOD'S WORD will never return void.

It's amazing to see how much interest there is in the world for ancient writings that conflict with the Holy Bible. It would be wonderful if the same people showed the same interest in studying the Holy Bible. I hope and pray that every Christian puts on the whole armor of GOD and goes forth to do GOD'S will. Every Christian should sow, reap, and labor for the LORD until HE comes to take us home.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 1:10-13 NASB  He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

<<<<Every Christian should sow, reap, and labor for the LORD until HE comes to take us home.>>>>


Yes they should..... but MANY don't.  This is very sad,..... BUT they are saved.  I come from a HUGE family, most all are Christians that I know of, and 99% have had Nothing to do with the learning about the Lord since their salvation,...... Nothing!  This is their business and one must respect their Privacy of the priesthood, for all of us are accountable to the Lord for our Own lives. The Lord say's "Cursed is man that trusteth in man and make flesh his arm".  Well, Many that I know have done just that, the fleshs of man is so much more important to them then the word.  All we can do is pray for them, then it is up to the Holy Spirit, and hopefully they will listen when the Holy Spirit comes knocking?  Reality is the Lord's *world (*anthrophamorphism), and this reality is where I wish to stay.