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« on: April 20, 2006, 02:43:22 PM »

Dear All,

Jesus never gives up on us beleivers.  I have experienced it umpteen number of times in my life.  But my question is will He do so with those who tarry or keep shifting or keeps moving towards and away.

I come across many times, where i have presented Jesus to people and they dont say no.  But they do not seem to have accepted Him and continue to live the same.  I am put in circumstances where I have to present gospel afresh (in different manner, clearly everytime!)again and again.  Though I dont show it, it irks (and amazes) me, why Jesus would continually want them to come into the flock!!

So my question is how long should one keep presenting gospel to one person?  In other words, How long will Jesus wait?  Will he ever give up on a non-beleiver?

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 02:48:43 PM »

Sometimes God may give up on an individual. He did on Pharoah when He hardened His heart against the Israelites. That is for Him to decide though and not us. We are to plant the seed and if it doesn't grow we then must plant another seed again and again. We must be careful though that we do not become overbearing about it. Let the word of God work whenever and whereever it may. We witness over and over again to individuals as the opportunity permits without being too pushy about it.

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 03:18:14 PM »

That true.  We tend to become overbearing.

For instance, A roman catholic family wanted to know Christ and we presented it to them.  In spite of interest (real or not) shown by them it took two years and more for them to come out and get baptised after really accepting Jesus Christ.  During that time, there was a temptation to just let go.   But good that we did not.  Now the family is rejoicing in Christ!!

One of my friends, has accepted Jesus Christ (orally).  But walking with him for four years really is not encouraging.  I had to remind him of the salvation that he has received.  I do not plan every visit or premeditate the presentation, but this happens everytime we meet.  it continues,....  This is where i get stuck.  Am i being overbearing? or is it that satan keeps throwing away the seeds?  or is this bad ground (is he being elusive), is Jesus REALLY interested in this guy that He repeatedly knocks?  Even when I stop, he keeps coming back

In the first case, our perseverence was rewarded.  In the second case, do I ought to persevere or is it just me being persistent?

I hope others have experienced similar situations.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 04:17:05 PM »

Brother, as I said we are never to give up in our efforts, patiently perservering
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 04:19:40 PM »

I can't quote the scripture here, but I'm sure one of my brothers can ..... but doesn't the Bible say that if a person does not accept "the good news" we are to leave them alone and shake the dust from our feet?

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 04:31:18 PM »

I can't quote the scripture here, but I'm sure one of my brothers can ..... but doesn't the Bible say that if a person does not accept "the good news" we are to leave them alone and shake the dust from our feet?

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Mat 10:14  And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.


That is when you are given a direct "I don't want to hear it". Then we must step back. This is what I meant about not being overbearing about our witnessing. We cannot push it down their throats. We planted the seed in that case and will just need to allow our own lives to be our witness in such a case.

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Mat 10:14  And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.


That is when you are given a direct "I don't want to hear it". Then we must step back. This is what I meant about not being overbearing about our witnessing. We cannot push it down their throats. We planted the seed in that case and will just need to allow our own lives to be our witness in such a case.



Guess that sums it up.  When a non beleiver keeps coming back, let him.  Jesus will give us enough grace to persevere and give hope.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 11:07:02 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2006, 03:48:13 PM »

Dear All,

Jesus never gives up on us beleivers.  I have experienced it umpteen number of times in my life.  But my question is will He do so with those who tarry or keep shifting or keeps moving towards and away.

I come across many times, where i have presented Jesus to people and they dont say no.  But they do not seem to have accepted Him and continue to live the same.  I am put in circumstances where I have to present gospel afresh (in different manner, clearly everytime!)again and again.  Though I dont show it, it irks (and amazes) me, why Jesus would continually want them to come into the flock!!

So my question is how long should one keep presenting gospel to one person?  In other words, How long will Jesus wait?  Will he ever give up on a non-beleiver?

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God holds you responsible only for "delivering the message".  It is not your job to see to it that those to whom you present the Good News are saved.  That's between them and God.  You are the "planter" and the Spirit is the "waterer".  Repeated "preaching" could actually drive people away from the Lord.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2006, 12:43:00 AM »

God holds you responsible only for "delivering the message".  It is not your job to see to it that those to whom you present the Good News are saved.  That's between them and God.  You are the "planter" and the Spirit is the "waterer".  Repeated "preaching" could actually drive people away from the Lord.

Yes! I totally agree.  I was mentioning about those who keep coming back, or who you are around and they come up with problems they face.  Being a Christian I have to point them to Jesus.  And all the time they seem to go the other way!  At times I have resorted to 'secular' solutions - though they are so much woven with biblical principles, I just dont mention the name Jesus.

The point is they are there, they keep bringing back the 'good news topic'.  I keep presenting.  With this group I dont voluntarily present delivering message.  There dilly dallying can be unnerving sometimes.  They dont plainly reject it.  It is like they are toying with the idea.. Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 04:06:32 PM »

Brother, as I said we are never to give up in our efforts, patiently perservering

My believe is that God never give up on anybody, no matter what, and for a very good reason; but first let me ask you this, that God knows who is going to be saved and who's not? I think I can answer for all of you "YES" He knows, do you think that He will give up in the people that He knows are not going to be saved? NO, See, all of us will have the Holy Spirit talking to us for as long as we live, we will not have any excuses for the day of Judgement.

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2006, 04:30:19 PM »

Hi 4Jesus, Welcome to Christians Unite.  You can check the "Questions, help, suggestions, and bug reports" section there is a thread there with some information on the forum functions and if you still have questions please feel free to ask.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2006, 04:38:33 PM »

My believe is that God never give up on anybody, no matter what, and for a very good reason; but first let me ask you this, that God knows who is going to be saved and who's not? I think I can answer for all of you "YES" He knows, do you think that He will give up in the people that He knows are not going to be saved? NO, See, all of us will have the Holy Spirit talking to us for as long as we live, we will not have any excuses for the day of Judgement.

I am new in th forum, I don't know how to use  the features yet Huh

4Jesus, welcome to Christians Unite, there are many wonderful Christians here, we would be happy to help you with the features. I look forward to more of your posts.

4Jesus, God knows the end from the begining, He is omniscient. We however are not, we were given a command by Jesus to preach the gopel to all people.

While I cannot tell you God gives up or not, I can definitely tell you He gave each one of us a  job. That is to preach the good news to all, and to pray for all men.carry

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Some people may have had the gospel preached to them hundreds of times, by many different peoplem and not come to Jesus, and then one day he may suddenly accept Jesus as his Savior. There are also those who inspite of knowing that Jesus is the Savior, the Son of God, the Only Way for salvation, may never come to accept the Lord, as far as we would know. We can never tell if the person truely repents at the very last moment and receives Jesus.

God is a very patient God. But He does have His timelines, He is a God of order, and we know He loves all His creation, but He will not forever strive with mankind.

Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2006, 05:49:38 PM »

I belive God wants us all but understand that some hearts need to be hardened. How else will the Revelation come to pass?
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 05:51:15 PM »

Although all that seek Him will find Him..........If someone truely wants a relationship with God they will find it.

Still though...........some hearts are hardened Cry
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