Evolution theory on last legs, says seminary teacher

[Soldier4Christ]

To William Dembski, all the debate in this country over evolution won't matter in a decade.

By then, he says, the theory of evolution put forth by Charles Darwin 150 years ago will be dead.

The mathematician turned Darwin critic says there is much to be learned about how life evolved on this planet. And he thinks the model of evolution accepted by the scientific community won't be able to supply the answers.

"I see this all disintegrating very quickly," he said.

Dembski is one of the country's leading proponents of intelligent design, which asserts that certain features of living organisms are best explained by an intelligent cause. The ideas put forth by Dembski's movement have piqued the interest of some school boards, churches and politicians -- including Kentucky's governor and President Bush.

But biologists call Dembski's statements on the death of evolution absurd. They say intelligent design, or ID, has failed as a science, so its supporters are trying to foster interest in a receptive public.

Dembski, who holds a Ph.D. in mathematics and philosophy, teaches a course on intelligent design at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville. He calls Darwinian evolution "viscerally unacceptable" to most Americans.

"It is a reasonable question to ask if there are patterns in biological systems that point us to intelligence," he said in an interview. "It is a reasonable question to ask what are the limits to evolutionary mechanisms."

Kentucky Gov. Ernie Fletcher called design by an intelligent source a "self-evident truth" in his annual State of the Commonwealth address in January. Fletcher has said he would encourage schools to teach the concept.

That is despite a December ruling by a federal judge in Pennsylvania that intelligent design should not be taught as science in Dover, Pa., schools.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones wrote that "overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere relabeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory." Jones found intelligent design failed as a scientific theory because it can't be tested.

"He pretty much pegged it for what it was," said James Krupa, an associate biology professor at the University of Kentucky. "It really should just be called God theory."

Krupa said evolution science is not dying.

"It's the driving force, it's the foundation of all biology," said Krupa, who teaches evolution courses at UK. "Natural selection and evolution theory are getting stronger and stronger."

For the American public, opinions on evolution vary.

According to a 2004 Gallup poll, about 35 percent of Americans think Darwin's theory is well-supported by evidence, another 35 percent said it is not, and 29 percent said they didn't know enough about it.

Several state legislatures are considering bills critical of the traditional teaching of evolution in the classroom. Legislators in Oklahoma and Missouri have introduced measures to change science teaching standards. In Nevada, a masonry contractor has introduced a constitutional amendment that says there are many questions about evolution.

"It's an ongoing debate; I'm not surprised that the public tends to be somewhat interested in it," said Rob Crowther, a spokesman for the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which funds intelligent design research.

That debate is fueled by a belief that Darwinian evolution is linked to atheism, said Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education and a former UK professor.

"This is actually, I think, key to understanding this whole controversy in this country: people think that because science restricts itself to a natural cause, it's therefore saying that God had nothing to do with it," Scott said.

Dembski and other proponents say intelligent design is in its infancy and not yet ready to be taught alongside evolution in the science classroom. Crowther said the Discovery Institute actually opposed the actions by the Pennsylvania school board that brought the federal court case.

"People assume that we must be actively and aggressively seeking for intelligent design to be put in the classroom, and that's not our position," he said. "What should be required in a classroom is more about evolution, and by that we mean students should be able to learn not only the evidence that supports it but also some of the criticisms of the theory."

That is enough for now, Dembski said.

"I guess I would say that even though intelligent design has a long way to go, it seems to me evolutionary theory is so problematic that just about any alternative that's scientific, or has the possibility (of being scientific) should be allowed on the table," he said.

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Note: It is already dead, the evolutionists just don't know it.

[Shammu]

It is already dead, the evolutionists just don't know it.

[Mockingbird]

Jones found intelligent design failed as a scientific theory because it can't be tested.

Wouldn't that mean evolution would fail as a scientific theory as well? 

"It really should just be called God theory."

So for evolution, it really should just be called "man theory."  God theory vs. man theory.... I think that sets it about right.   

[nChrist]

Brothers and Sisters,

In my mind, this controversy is very simple. The devil doesn't want this controversy to go away because it creates doubt in the WORD of GOD and the Holy Bible. Mockingbird is completely right that it boils down to either believing man or believing GOD. They can't both be right, so one of them has to be completely FALSE.

If you guessed that I believe and trust GOD 100%, you would be right. I believe it is man's vanity and WORSE to question GOD'S WORD with a silly theory that was JUNK from the start. In all REALITY, it's man calling GOD a liar, and I would think there should be some sort of appropriate punishment for that at GOD'S appointed time. GOD told us about HIS CREATION in Genesis 1 and in many other portions of the Holy Bible. My choice is simple:

1 - I trust and believe GOD - PERIOD! - End of Story!
2 - I will not doubt GOD or HIS WORD!

Brothers and Sisters, the above is the reason why ADMIN decided to ban the pro side for the theory of evolution from Christians Unite. Christians Unite is about the things of GOD and the Holy Bible, not the things of man.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 139:13 NASB  For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.

[Shammu]

Christians Unite is about the things of GOD and the Holy Bible, not the things of man.

AMEN brother AMEN!!

[LittlePilgrim]

I agree 100%. Evolution is just what most already call it, a theory, untested, unproven. It is double-speak for a person to call Intelligent Design and Creationism (Two different things, but starting from similar bases) unscientific when the same can be said for Darwinian (MACRO-Evolution).

While we should not believe what we are taught about it, I think it is important to know what is taught so that we can better defend against it. I say this after having had dozens of debates with folks.

Neither Creationism, nor Intelligent Design, Nor Evolution can be called true science, for all are untestable by human means. So it is true that in the end what you believe will come down to your basic phillosophy of life.

Do you believe God and His word? You most likely believe Creationism. (My personal belief).
Do you believe God and His Word to be false? You are most likely a darwinist.
Are you not sure? Most likely you are a proponant of ID (Kind of middle of the road.).

But where the scientific community gets into trouble is when they say Macro-evolution is the only acceptable theory, especially considering that it is dead and dying. They shut out the answers before they ask the question... THAT is just bad science.

[Soldier4Christ]

The word science means knowledge and there is but one true knowledge and that is received from and in God. Anything other than that is simply guessing and that is what man does without God in their lives. Through God we have the knowledge that He did in fact create the world. Not a belief or theory but a fact. Those that wish to call it a belief or theory are those that do not know God as their Lord and Saviour.