question about christian's unite

[pocket]

exactly what does this website mean by christian's unite?
certainly one should not unite religiously at the expence
of the bibles  doctrines.
hopefuly it is  meant " christian's  unite for discussion purposes only?
I mean a believer in the lutheran confession's  and another Christian certainly can not pray or worship or have bible study  together the differences are to vast.
so exactly what is meant by unite??/

thank's

[cris]

exactly what does this website mean by christian's unite?
certainly one should not unite religiously at the expence
of the bibles  doctrines.
hopefuly it is  meant " christian's  unite for discussion purposes only?
I mean a believer in the lutheran confession's  and another Christian certainly can not pray or worship or have bible study  together the differences are to vast.
so exactly what is meant by unite??/

thank's

Hi pocket,

I see you are new here.  Welcome.

I am not the administrator, nor did I have anything to do with the naming of this site.

ALL Christians should be able to worship together as we all believe in the same God.  The only exception I know of is that one must not receive Holy Communion in a Roman Catholic Church unless one is Roman Catholic.

ALL Christians should be able to pray together.

ALL Christians should be able to study the bible together even though there are differences in opinion.

To me the name ChristiansUnite means we all join together to exalt Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  It's a place of assembling together with other Christians.  It's a place to encourage one another.  It's a place to learn more about the Word of God.  It's a place to just relax and have fun.

This is just my opinion.

Grace and peace,
cris

     

[pocket]

Yes I agree we "should" be able to pray and worship together
and have bible study together but we can't because
of different belief's. That should and must divide us.
romans 16:17

[cris]

Yes I agree we "should" be able to pray and worship together
and have bible study together but we can't because
of different belief's. That should and must divide us.
romans 16:17

I agree that Christian's should be of one mind, that being the mind of Christ.  We should all believe the same thing.  Basically, we do, but there ARE differences in opinion on some scripture interpretation, hence, the different denominations.  

I'm not understanding why you think one Christian cannot pray with another Christian if their basic beliefs are the same.  They can't justifiably call themselves Christian, if they don't all believe Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.  We can also study the Bible together.  I've been in Bible studies where one person was a definite believer in Calvin's theology.  Didn't mean I couldn't study the Bible.  God is ultimately my teacher.  I have faith that He will lead me where He wants me, regardless.

   

[Soldier4Christ]

Hi pocket,

I can't speak of the reason that this was called Christians Unite either. I do believe that it is possible though for Christians to come to together in a peaceful manner to discuss minor doctrinal differences. Please take a few moments and read through the forum rules if you haven't already done so. It may help with some of the questions that you have. The rules are located at the top of each segment of the board.

If you still have any questions please feel free to ask.


Moderator

[pocket]

I think it is wrong for any one to think they have a right to interpet scripture as they see fit
. For scripture interpet's itself .clear passages shedding light on those that are less clear to our sinfilled fallen state.

We in this life CAN not understand the mystery of the Trinity
oR  Christ  his natures his virgin birtrh  , OR predestination of Gods  elect OR Jesus  real presence in God's  sacrament's .
But we should never deny what God has said of these supernatural mysteries . That God  has set fourth in crystial clear scriptural language.
 For to do so would make God and his bible a book of confusion.
If we can not agree on these most Basic point's how can there be God pleasing religious fellowship.
Should  we now interpet Gods command to stay away from those who teach differently. Romans 16:17
To mean it is ok to pray with or worship with or be led in bible study  by those of different belief's .
Will not God  THEN have a perfect right to ask  each of us what part of stay away from !did you not understand in my bible?
I mean lets be perfectly honest. Most denominations do not even agree on the doctrine by what Christ church stands or fall's The doctrine of How people  are Justified by God!
Is it by faith or through faith? is it by Christ his merit's alone.
or is it a decision of our's  to accept Jesus. Or was it really Jesus decision to accept us the sinner.
Did Jesus come into this world  to show us a way or did he
 fuLLy win our way.

What is repentance ? denomination's are even in difference on that . Some say it is a personal decision to  turn away from sin.
My church certainly does not teach that, thank God.

fOR How can a person truly repent? unless they understand
repentance must at all times  include trusting the forgivness Jesus has already won for us. by his perfect life and innocent death in our stead.
Only then is the holy spirit pleased to work in us a chnge of heart torward our sin's.


 

[cris]

I think it is wrong for any one to think they have a right to interpet scripture as they see fit
. For scripture interpet's itself .clear passages shedding light on those that are less clear to our sinfilled fallen state.

We in this life CAN not understand the mystery of the Trinity
oR  Christ  his natures his virgin birtrh  , OR predestination of Gods  elect OR Jesus  real presence in God's  sacrament's .
But we should never deny what God has said of these supernatural mysteries . That God  has set fourth in crystial clear scriptural language.
 For to do so would make God and his bible a book of confusion.
If we can not agree on these most Basic point's how can there be God pleasing religious fellowship.
Should  we now interpet Gods command to stay away from those who teach differently. Romans 16:17
To mean it is ok to pray with or worship with those of different belief's .
will not God have a perfect right to ask us what part of stay away from !did you not understand?
I mean lets be perfectly honest Most denominations do not even agree on the doctrine by what Christ church stands or fall's The doctrine of How people  are Justified by God!

Are you saying your denomination has the whole truth?

[pocket]

Aim I saying my denomination has the whole truth?
 Would i not be the dumbest christian, if i said it did not.
For if i said that! then Could you not say. Then you don't have God's bible.

[cris]

Aim I saying my denomination has the whole truth?
 Would i not be the dumbest christian, if i said it did not.
For if i said that! then Could you not say. Then you don't have God's bible.

No, you wouldn't be the dumbest Christian if you said your denomination didn't have the whole Truth.  You would be a person seeking the Truth.  Many people have their hearts pricked in whatever denomination they're in.  Something just doesn't feel right to them.  Then, there are those who believe what they've been taught to be the Truth, even though it might not be.  They really don't research for themselves.

[Allinall]

exactly what does this website mean by christian's unite?
certainly one should not unite religiously at the expence
of the bibles  doctrines.
hopefuly it is  meant " christian's  unite for discussion purposes only?
I mean a believer in the lutheran confession's  and another Christian certainly can not pray or worship or have bible study  together the differences are to vast.
so exactly what is meant by unite??/

thank's

Welcome pocket!  I'll answer your question with a question: If as believers we cannot unite, how then can we as believers be Christians?  Agreeing to disagree is key.  It is important to remember that in Heaven, there will be Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Apostolics, Non-Denominationalists, Pre,Mid,Post-Trib-Mil Calvinists, Dispensationalists, Covenant Theologians and the like.  In Hell, there will be Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Apostolics, Non-Denominationalists, Pre,Mid,Post-Trib-Mil Calvinists, Dispensationalists, Covenant Theologians as well.  Point being, our unity is not comprised of our agreement of lesser doctrinal belief or understanding.  Our unity, is in Christ, and Him crucified.  And with any who claim Him and are claimed by Him, I am unified.  I don't strive for a unity that the Spirit provides.  I strive to produce disunity in its place when I divide over issues that when we all get to Heaven I'll find out I didn't understand completely anyway.  

[Jemidon2004]

Hence, why as mature christians, we should strive to unify under the basic fundamentals of Scripture that are essential and have a major place in the salvation of an unregenerate man. I.E. God's Grace in salvation and how that no one can work for it. In this humanistic/postmodernistic world we live in, satan is using attacks against even basic fundamentals of biblical doctrine to try to destroy christians. Not just their testimony, but their foundation. Now some could argue that Christ should be the foundation. That's correct, however one would have to examine as to the source that tells of that foundation. I.E. the Holy Scriptures. I believe it is essential to every believer in Christ Jesus to know what they speak of and have a systematic theology that can be defended with 115% determination and accuracy that is second to none. Yes, we may all have different positions concerning doctrines, however, we seek after the doctrines of man, and not the doctrines of God. It's ok to DISCUSS differences when it comes to certain doctrines, but when you start messing with Biblical doctrines clearly found in the Holy Scriptures, you open a dangerous door that leads to errancy and failure to completely interpret the Scriptures as God Almighty would have us do. Please do not reply with "what makes your interpretation special" because there is always someone out there who does not hold to the fully inspired Word and it's interpretation based on study of the TEXT itself. I made a vow to God when I was at my home church that I would not be like the person who just takes what they're handed and it goes no further than past their ears and they do not seek to make sure that what is being taught is biblically accurate. As you can see, I hold that Scripture is the SOLE authority on matters concerning God. It's also known as one of the 5 Solas. Sola Scriptura being one of them, but enough about that. Again, it comes down to a personal, systematic theology that makes up the core of who we are as a peculiar nation that is so confused in the affairs of doctrine. I say we because I still have a great deal to learn about doctrine myself. However, I will as this note: Christianity without practical application toward, from, and by the Word of God is null, void and worthless. Hence why the Word is a two edged sword that God uses in order that HE may reveal Himself and His will in our lives  such that we would be transformed by the renewing of our minds and the continual change into that perfect piece of workmanship that God is working on with us. Just a few thoughts. They are not intended to provoke or to squash, just intended to offer a view that may or may not have been seen. I tend to think that 18 year old view points can be just as effective as that of a 70 year old. I hope that everyone will be blessed and encouraged by this post and I pray that God will continue to reveal Himself as you beging, if you have not, to apply God's Word and let HIm work in your life, all you who read this post.

Coram Deo,
Joshua

[Shammu]

In this humanistic/postmodernistic world we live in, satan is using attacks against even basic fundamentals of biblical doctrine to try to destroy christians. Not just their testimony, but their foundation. Now some could argue that Christ should be the foundation. That's correct, however one would have to examine as to the source that tells of that foundation. I.E. the Holy Scriptures.

Thats said better, then I could say it Jousha.

Yes, we may all have different positions concerning doctrines, however, we seek after the doctrines of man.

Hence, the biggest mistake of any Christian. God said it, so as a Christian we must believe it. Not the word, of man.

Just a few thoughts. They are not intended to provoke or to squash, just intended to offer a view that may or may not have been seen. I tend to think that 18 year old view points can be just as effective as that of a 70 year old. I hope that everyone will be blessed and encouraged by this post and I pray that God will continue to reveal Himself as you beging, if you have not, to apply God's Word and let HIm work in your life, all you who read this post.

AMEN!!!!!

[Jemidon2004]

I need to rephrase something.

"In this humanistic/postmodernistic world we live in, satan is using attacks against basic fundamentals of biblical doctrine to destroy christians. Not only their testimony, but the very foundation they stand upon. Now some could argue that Christ should be the foundation. This is correct, however in order to arrive at this position, one would have to examine the source that gives revelation to that foundation...I.E. the Holy Scriptures

I'll probably have another revision, eventually cause I often find ways to further convey the point and I often think things coul dhave been said differently or better. So I bid you adieu until i come up with another revision or post. .

Coram Deo,
Joshua

[Shammu]

Joshua, I understood what you were saing just fine.

[Jemidon2004]

i'm a bit of a perfectionist sometimes...but only in my writing. Anything else, i throw perfection out the window...my dorm room is one such example. Hee hee.

Joshua