YOUR OPINION - HEART OF MAN

[cris]

THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT THE HEART OF MAN, OFTEN.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT HEART IS?

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT HEART IS?  

[Reba]

Jer 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
KJV

[cris]

Jer 17:9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
KJV

Is that YOUR final answer?

[cris]

The bible speaks about the "heart of man", often.

In "YOUR" opinion:

Where do "YOU" think that heart is?

What do "YOU" think that heart is?

Have any of you ever thought about these questions?

Grace and peace,
cris

[Tibby]

I don't think Cris question and that verse are talking about the same thing. In ancient times, they thought the Heart was the center of thought, not the Brain. All the things that we now think of the Brain as doing is what they thought to heart did. This concept has had such an effect on Human History that even today we use the "heart" to talk about our thoughts and emotions. Aristotle, who was a physician, theorized the brain was used to cool the blood (which, after watching some of these new "reality shows," isn't as far fetched as it sounds )

This idea is, in a way, logical, if you only have your own logic and experience to base it on. When your mind is racing, it is your heart, not your brain, that beats faster. When you are excited or angry, your heart shows it, not your brain. If you had little or no physiological knowledge, your experience alone would dictate the heart as the place where thoughts and emotions are centered.

They also used the Kidneys and bowels, but not as much. Those, combined with the heart, where the 3 centers of thought and emotion, the Hebrews believed.

And the brain is deceitful above all things. Who really can know it? We sure can't! Even with all our advanced equipment and knowledge, it is still a mystery to Scientists and Doctors.

[cris]

Hey-------------thanks Tibby.  I didn't know about some of the things you posted.



Anyone else?


Grace and peace,
cris

 

[Reba]

The bible speaks about the "heart of man", often.

In "YOUR" opinion:

Where do "YOU" think that heart is?

What do "YOU" think that heart is?

Have any of you ever thought about these questions?

Grace and peace,
cris

I believe the scripture so my opinion is in agreement with scripture.

Tis only by grace that any are saved man is not a nice guy.

[nChrist]

The bible speaks about the "heart of man", often.

In "YOUR" opinion:

Where do "YOU" think that heart is?

What do "YOU" think that heart is?

Have any of you ever thought about these questions?

Grace and peace,
cris

Brother Cris,

The heart is the core of a person's being, the source for affections and passions that rule over that person. Biblically, it is quite common to speak of the natural affections of man as evil and of darkness, rightfully so. This wouldn't simply be an internal organ, rather a matter of soul and spirit and which spirit rules - good or evil. For a Christian, it would pertain to how much and how often the person yields to the Holy Spirit living within them for everything they do and say.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Tibby]

I didn't know about some of the things you posted.

How do you mean?

[2nd Timothy]

The bible speaks about the "heart of man", often.

In "YOUR" opinion:

Where do "YOU" think that heart is?

What do "YOU" think that heart is?

Have any of you ever thought about these questions?

Grace and peace,
cris

Brother Cris,

The heart is the core of a person's being, the source for affections and passions that rule over that person. Biblically, it is quite common to speak of the natural affections of man as evil and of darkness, rightfully so. This wouldn't simply be an internal organ, rather a matter of soul and spirit and which spirit rules - good or evil. For a Christian, it would pertain to how much and how often the person yields to the Holy Spirit living within them for everything they do and say.

Well put brother.   Our passions, our desires.   Our heart is what leads us in the deepest way.

Reba said:

Tis only by grace that any are saved man is not a nice guy.

LOL  I like it!   The heart of man is not a nice guy.   This why the change we have as believers starts in the heart.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love.

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


As Reba says, man is not a nice, but Christ living in the heart of man, changes his passions and desires for those things of God that are pure and Holy.   Yes, we still struggle with the old heart, but the more we learn to trust and depend on Him, the more our heart reflects His attitudes and desires in our life.

I don't think anyone could improve upon how Paul said it.

Gal 2:20  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

We live and breath, but it is the heart of Christ living within us by Faith that should be driving our passions and desires.

Grace and Peace!

[Reba]

Yea what Tim said  

Some times words fail me. Thanks for giving Cris a more complete answer of my opinion.  

[2nd Timothy]

 

You said it just fine sister!  

Grace and Peace!

[cris]

I didn't know about some of the things you posted.

How do you mean?

I didn't know the ancient Hebrews believed the bowels, kidney's and heart were the three centers of thought and emotion.

Here's one for ya.  How about the "heart of man" being the subconscious?  IMO it might be possible why God said the heart of man is wicked above all else-------who can know it?  God can!  We don't and won't know because the two are not integrated, totally.  This could get into a very long debate so I won't go too much further with it-----------'cause it can be complex.

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

The bible speaks about the "heart of man", often.

In "YOUR" opinion:

Where do "YOU" think that heart is?

What do "YOU" think that heart is?

Have any of you ever thought about these questions?

Grace and peace,
cris

Brother Cris,

The heart is the core of a person's being, the source for affections and passions that rule over that person. Biblically, it is quite common to speak of the natural affections of man as evil and of darkness, rightfully so. This wouldn't simply be an internal organ, rather a matter of soul and spirit and which spirit rules - good or evil. For a Christian, it would pertain to how much and how often the person yields to the Holy Spirit living within them for everything they do and say.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hebrews 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

BEP,

I like YOUR answer as it IS truth in my opinion.

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

Yea what Tim said  

Some times words fail me. Thanks for giving Cris a more complete answer of my opinion.  

Reba,

It's OK 'cause words sometimes fail me, too.

Grace and peace,
cris