So few will be saved

[nChrist]

Brother Love, The Crusader, Ambassador4Christ, Warrior for Christ, Cyber Pope, His Messenger, & Whoever else said:

So few will be saved...

No Wonder

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God didn't have to do it, but He does love us.
He is righteous.
Knows what he created,
and this Gospel of Grace provides for those who don't get it

But once we do get it
                           we got it foreverlasting.

Ephesians 4:30  Spiritual Salvation
and grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, by which you were selaed for a day of Redemption.
First Abraham was saved by faith, then by his life walk(soul salvation) he was also justified

James 2:21,22
Was not Abraham our Father justified by works, when he brought up Isaac his son to the altar?
Thou seest that the faith co-operated with his works: and that the faith was made complete by the works

James 1:32
Therefore, discard all impurity and overflowing of malice, embrace with meekness that implanted word which is able to save your souls.

All of our bodies will go to the grave,( unless we are taken up to the heavens first at the rapture),because of sin.  So there is a redemption or salvation of the body too because we have a body with sin.

Romans 5:12
For this reason  as through one man sin entered into the world, ( in whom all sinned ), and though sin, death: so also, deathe passed upon all men.T

here are no exceptions, God says if you believe in His son, you shall not perish, you shall be saved, in so many verses in His Word.  This is the initial act of salvation, the rest just follow and every person who is saved will not lose it, therefore, there are consequences, but God wouldn't say one thing then provide for a loophole in case the person doesn't make the right decisions.  That person will be worked with here on earth, and then answer for everythng at the judgement seat of Christ.  

I just can't believe al those millions of people who thought they were saved are not because they did wrong "works" and that God's grace is not sufficient: or simply put Jesus's work on the cross was not sufficient.

There are soooo many people that have been saved.
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[Allinall]

However, I tend to agree with Allinall. Matt 7:6; I Cor 2:14.

Good!  Cause it was Heidi and BEP's pearls I was collecting...

[Heidi]

Jesus said that few will be saved. I believe Him because I believe he knows better than we do. Others don't have to believe Him.

[Lionroar0]

Okay let's get this over with. 1st FAith ALONE is a Human invention. Luther invent it and added it to his German translation of the Bible, hence sola fide. I don't remember the verse of hand i think he added it to romans. If any one knows pls posted it 2nd Salvation is not a personal or individual matter. Thus Jesus cannot be my or your personal saviour. He died for all of mankind, whether we accept this gift or not is an individuals choice. Salvation is communal. OUR FATHER who art in heaeven...ect NOT MY FATHER....  Love, Hope and FAith out these Love is the Greatest. So faith is never alone. When one has faith one has blessings and graces, again faith is not alone.  Works is the products of Love, faith and hope. We do wokrs to show our Love , our faith and our Hope. Salvation is not a matter of faith alone.

[JudgeNot]

1st FAith ALONE is a Human invention.

Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!        

So, you've never read the Bible, huh?

[Heidi]

Mark, 11:24, "Therefore i tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have it and it will be yours." That includes salvation. That whole passage is faith alone!!!

[Rich]

So what about Mark 11:23, have you told any hills to get up and throw themselves into the sea? He says that if you have faith and believe with out a doubt that it will happen, give it a try and let us know the results.
   Sorry but nowhere in there does it say faith alone. On the contrary, there are many verses that say otherwise.
Jam 2:24, Jam 2:26, Gal 5:6, 1 Cor 13:2, Jn 14:15, Mt 19:16-17
  Catholics follow the whole thing, faith and works, 'both/and,' not 'either/or.'
 The Catholic church does not teach that just works are meritorious for salvation, despite what you keep claiming.
Faith is the beginning, but it is not the complete fulfillment of the will of God.  

[Heidi]

Jesus said IF you have faith that the mountain would throw themselves into the sea and believe that will happen, then that will happen. I do NOT have faith the the mountains will throw themselves into the sea. But I DO have faith in my salvation. Therefore I will have it. You, Michael, and the catholics have made it clear that you do NOT have faith that you are saved. Therefore, according to Christ, you will not be.

[Rich]

Correction Heidi, i believe that i'm saved(Rom 8:24, Eph 2:5,8
2 Tim 1:9, Tit 3:5)past  event. I also believe that i am being saved(Phil 2:12, 1 Pet 1:9)present process. I also believe that i will be saved if i endure to the end(Mt 10:22, Mt 24:13,
Mk 8:35, Acts 15:11, Rom 5:9-10, Rom 13:11, 1 Cor 3:15,
1 Cor 5:5, Heb 9:28) future event.
  And all of this would be impossible w/o the free gift of Gods grace, but, the key to all of this is that we must endure to the end, as it clearly shows in scripture. If two years from now you denounce Christianity and do not believe in God nor His Son, Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, than i'm sorry, but you've forfited your salvation.

[JudgeNot]

If two years from now you denounce Christianity and do not believe in God nor His Son, Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Let me finish your sentence for you (I know... interrupting, bad manners, etc.)  

"Then you never had His Spirit living in you to begin with."

"Once saved always saved" is a unique perspective that was received through the Trinity.  If you have the Father and Son and Holy Spirit - I mean TRULY have them - then God will never abandon you, you will NEVER denounce them!

You could only denounce Them if you aren't written in the Book of Life and never had Them to begin with.

Jesus died for ALL sin - past, present, future - for those who believe (really, really believe) that He is the Way.

[Heidi]

Amen, Judge not!!! The Book of life CANNOT be changed because it's already been written! That is the crux of my whole point! "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" and "no one can snatch them out of my hand"! Rich's salvation depends on IF.....NOT on the BELIEF that "NO ONE can snatch them out of my hand."

[sojourner]

Heidi,

Mark, 11:24, "Therefore i tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have it and it will be yours." That includes salvation. That whole passage is faith alone!!!

Sorry, Heidi, that is a contradiction to your stated belief.
Prayer is a work. Prayer is one of those things Christ commands. It is not if you pray, but when you pray. It is faith however, but not alone.


JudgeNOt,

then God will never abandon you, you will NEVER denounce them!

Now, the first part of the statement is true because God is saying it respective of Himself. However, He stated it to ALL men, heathen and believers. He saved ALL. That is what is known as the Work of Christ on the Cross. It is the part of which you have no understanding because you never get to the personal acceptance through faith.
Unless you believe that you are perfectly righteouss, and have attained that perfection and cannot sin, then you could say sincerely, that you would not forsake or abandon God. However, if you are truly human living in this world, we are still all sinners and we can clearly reject Christ at any time.
It's known as free will, one of the elements of our nature which was created in God's image.

Rich has it correct until he mentions the words meritorious Nothing is merited. If it was we would not need Grace. It is all Grace, nothing but Grace. And the works we do is out of obedience and love to God and man.

Judgenot,

Jesus died for ALL sin - past, present, future - for those who believe (really, really believe) that He is the Way.

The way you have written this and sort of implied it, it is a contradiction.
Christ died for all sins period. Believers and unbelievers. However, unless repentance is involved and we do that by appropriating Christ's work throught faith asking for repentance, then Christ did not die for your sins pesonally.

Judgenot,

"Once saved always saved" is a unique perspective that was received through the Trinity.  If you have the Father and Son and Holy Spirit - I mean TRULY have them - then God will never abandon you, you will NEVER denounce them!

The Bible does not teach this anywhere. So it must be your personal teaching, Right?

[Rich]

Sorry, i meant the word meritorious as in valuable, not as in deserving reward.

[Heidi]

Who do you think leads us to pray, Sojourner? Or do you think it comes from your own intelligence, good heart, wonderful loving nature? If that's the case then you don't need christ's forgiveness at all!

Your focus on prayer allowed you to miss the point of Jesus's phrase which is that if you believe that you have received whatever you ask for, it will be yours.