Mark of the Beast Technology here!

[Bronzesnake]

 I saw a program today in which a tech company is developing micro chips that are the size of a grain of dust!!!
 These chips can I.D. you, they can hold every piece of information on you including licences, medical, monatary transactions, criminal record, work records,etc - these chips can also track you in real time!!!

 Perhaps that old children's Christmas song was actually prophetic...
 "He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake!"

 Santa Clause is real!!! or is that Satan Clause? hmmmm.

Bronzesnake

[Shammu]

 Perhaps that old children's Christmas song was actually prophetic...
 "He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake!"

 Santa Clause is real!!! or is that Satan Clause? hmmmm.

Bronzesnake

I believe its Satan Clause

[Bronzesnake]

 Perhaps that old children's Christmas song was actually prophetic...
 "He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake!"

 Santa Clause is real!!! or is that Satan Clause? hmmmm.

Bronzesnake

I believe its Satan Clause

 I'm with you on this DW Gather up the towns folk, tell em to fetch their pitch forks and torches...Let's "git em!"

 Bronzesnake

[Symphony]

Hm.  Now that's interesting.

Satan Claus.


   

[Saved_4ever]

I've seen the "Satans Claws" several times really.  It's a shame really but the concept of Santa Clause is wide sweeping across countries and his/her character is always one of giving to those that have not.

Really it wasn't a bad idea but it got twisted somewhere along the line and became a time for giving and recieving to each other who already have.

When I grew up though the only time I recieved any gift or something was strictly at my birthday or Christmas.  That's not how I do things with my son and family now anymore though.  If we see something we think another would like or need we just get it for them.

[Symphony]

That's all very well said, Saved4.  very apropos.  It got twisted somewhere along the line...

I just noticed this from DW last July:

Hey BronzeSnake, here is something new.

Chip Implanted in Mexico Judicial Workers
 
Jul 14, 5:30 PM (ET)

By WILL WEISSERT


MEXICO CITY (AP) - Security has reached the subcutaneous level for Mexico's attorney general and at least 160 people in his office - they have been implanted with microchips that get them access to secure areas of their headquarters.

It's a pioneering application of a technology that is widely used in animals but not in humans.

Mexico's top federal prosecutors and investigators began receiving chip implants in their arms in November in order to get access to restricted areas inside the attorney general's headquarters, said Antonio Aceves, general director of Solusat, the company that distributes the microchips in Mexico.

Attorney General Rafael Macedo de la Concha and 160 of his employees were implanted at a cost to taxpayers of $150 for each rice grain-sized chip.

More are scheduled to get "tagged" in coming months, and key members of the Mexican military, the police and the office of President Vicente Fox might follow suit, Aceves said. Fox's office did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

A spokeswoman for Macedo de la Concha's office said she could not comment on Aceves' statements, citing security concerns. But Macedo himself mentioned the chip program to reporters Monday, saying he had received an implant in his arm. He said the chips were required to enter a new federal anti-crime information center.

"It's only for access, for security," he said.

The chips also could provide more certainty about who accessed sensitive data at any given time. In the past, the biggest security problem for Mexican law enforcement has been corruption by officials themselves.

Aceves said his company eventually hopes to provide Mexican officials with implantable devices that can track their physical location at any given time, but that technology is still under development.

 
(AP) Carlos Altamirano is being scanned to show the 16 digits code of the implanted VeriChip July 17,...
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The chips that have been implanted are manufactured by VeriChip Corp., a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions Inc. (ADSX) of Palm Beach, Fla.

They lie dormant under the skin until read by an electromagnetic scanner, which uses a technology known as radio frequency identification, or RFID, that's now getting hot in the inventory and supply chain businesses.

Scott Silverman, Applied Digital Solutions' chief executive, said each of his company's implantable chips has a special identification number that would foil an impostor.

"The technology is out there to duplicate (a chip)," he said. "What can't be stolen is the unique identification number and the information that is tied to that number."

Erik Michielsen, director of RFID analysis at ABI Research Inc., said that in theory the chips could be as secure as existing RFID-based access control systems such as the contactless employee badges widely used in corporate and government facilities.

However, while those systems often employ encryption, Applied Digital's implantable chips do not as yet. Silverman said his company's system is nevertheless save because its chips can only be read by the company's proprietary scanners.

In addition to the chips sold to the Mexican government, more than 1,000 Mexicans have implanted them for medical reasons, Aceves said. Hospital officials can use a scanning device to download a chip's serial number, which they then use to access a patient's blood type, name and other information on a computer.

The Food and Drug Administration has yet to approve microchips as medical devices in the United States.

Still, Silverman said that his company has sold 7,000 chips to distributors across the United States and that more than 1,000 of those had likely been inserted into U.S. customers, mostly for security or identification reasons.

In 2002, a Florida couple and their teenage son had Applied Digital Solutions chips implanted in their arms. The family hoped to someday be able to automatically relay their medical information to emergency room staffers.

The chip originally was developed to track livestock and wildlife and to let pet owners identify runaway animals. The technology was created by Digital Angel Corp. (DOC), which was acquired by Applied Digital Solutions in 1999.

Because the Applied Digital chips cannot be easily removed - and are housed in glass capsules designed to break and be unusable if taken out - they could be even more popular someday if they eventually can incorporate locator capabilities. Already, global positioning system chips have become common accouterments on jewelry or clothing in Mexico.

In fact, in March, Mexican authorities broke up a ring of used-car salesmen turned kidnappers who were known as "Los Chips" because they searched their victims to detect whether they were carrying the chips to help them be located.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040714/D83QQBP80.html

[Shammu]

October 13th 2004

FDA CLEARS VERICHIP™ FOR MEDICAL APPLICATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES

DELRAY BEACH , FL and So. ST. PAUL, MN -- Applied Digital (NASDAQ: ADSX), a provider of Security Through Innovation™ and Digital Angel Corporation (AMEX:DOC) announced today that VeriChip™, the world’s first implantable radio frequency identification (RFID) microchip for human use, has been cleared by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for medical uses in the United States. The FDA clearance follows the completion of a de novo application review.

he Company will hold a conference call today at 10:30 am eastern time in order to discuss the FDA’s decision, Company’s marketing strategy and medical applications for VeriChip. Interested participants should dial (800) 472-8309. The conference ID is 1531948. The call will also be webcast and will be available on the Home Page of Applied Digital’s web site at www.adsx.com.

As previously disclosed, the FDA response is the result of the Company’s 510(k) application and subsequent de novo application for the medical and healthcare uses of VeriChip, originally submitted in October 2003. Digital Angel Corporation is the manufacturer of VeriChip and has licensed the technology to VeriChip Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital, for human applications.

The VeriChip Health Information Microtransponder System consists of an implantable RFID microtransponder, an inserter, a proprietary hand-held scanner, and secure database containing the patient approved healthcare information. About the size of a grain of rice, VeriChip is a subdermal radio frequency microchip. Once inserted under the skin in a brief outpatient procedure, the VeriChip cannot be seen by the human eye. Each VeriChip contains a unique 16-digit verification number that is captured by briefly passing a proprietary scanner over the insertion site. The captured 16 digit number links to the database via encrypted Internet access. The previously stored information is then conveyed via the internet to the registered requesting healthcare provider.

About VeriChip™

VeriChip is a subdermal RFID device that can be used in a variety of security, financial, emergency identification and other applications. About the size of a grain of rice, each VeriChip product contains a unique verification number that is captured by briefly passing a proprietary scanner over the VeriChip. The recommended location of the microchip is in the triceps area between the elbow and the shoulder of the right arm. The brief outpatient “chipping” procedure lasts just a few minutes and involves only local anesthetic followed by quick, painless insertion of the VeriChip. Once inserted just under the skin, the VeriChip is inconspicuous to the naked eye. A small amount of radio frequency energy passes from the scanner energizing the dormant VeriChip, which then emits a radio frequency signal transmitting the verification number. In October 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) cleared VeriChip for medical applications in the United States. VeriChip is not an FDA-regulated device with regard to its security, financial, personal identification/safety applications. VeriChip Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital.

About Applied Digital

Applied Digital develops innovative security products for consumer, commercial, and government sectors worldwide. Our unique and often proprietary products provide security for people, animals, the food supply, government/military arena, and commercial assets. Included in this diversified product line are RFID applications, end-to-end food safety systems, GPS/Satellite communications, and telecomm and security infrastructure, positioning Applied Digital as the leader of Security Through Innovation™. Applied Digital is the owner of a majority position in Digital Angel Corporation (AMEX: DOC). For more information, visit the company's website at http://www.adsx.com.

About Digital Angel Corporation

Digital Angel Corporation develops and deploys sensor and communications technologies that enable rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of high-value assets. Applications for the Company's products include identification and monitoring of pets, fish, livestock, and humans through its patented implantable microchips; location tracking and message monitoring of vehicles and aircraft in remote locations through systems that integrate GPS and geosynchronous satellite communications; and monitoring of asset conditions such as temperature and movement, through advanced miniature sensors.

For more information about Digital Angel, visit the company’s website at www.DigitalAngelCorp.com.

Statements about the Company's future expectations, including future revenues and earnings, and all other statements in this press release other than historical facts are "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and as that term is defined in the Private Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and are subject to change at any time, and the Company's actual results could differ materially from expected results. The Company undertakes no obligation to update forward-looking statements to reflect subsequently occurring events or circumstances.

http://www.4verichip.com/nws_10132004FDA.htm

From their own website.
Thank you but no, I wouldn't want to be implanted. Not the mark of the beast.
Bob

[Bern]

Its interesting how wrapped up in end time prophesy people get. Many Christians worry about it constantly and are adamant and dogmatic over certain things. Like this whole idea of micro chips being implanted.. there is nothing in the bible to suggest its a microchip. It may well be, it might be a bar code, it might be a tatoo... but essentially, whatever it is.. it shouldn't bother us.

I believe it will be some sort of mark that clearly shows the wearers allegeance to the beast. We are so concerned with the antichrist, and his reign, and the mark, and all this stuff, that we often forget whats really important. The war going on within our own hearts. I don't believe the bible sheds enough light on the end times for us to make any rock solid conclusions about it. Thats why we see so many different theories on it in books today. People keep looking to the future and worrying about the antichrist.. but listen to what God has said...

1 John 2:18 ¶  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2 Thess 2:3 ¶  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Instead of worrying ourselves with the future reign of the antichrist, what we really need to be watching out for is the spirit of antichrist within the church. This is how the falling away will occur, I believe. Some poeple think the apostacy refers to the world as a whole.. but the original word means to fall away... how can one fall away unless one has faith in the first place. The falling away is within the church. Corrupt men are in many positions of power within the church, who even deny the virgin birth and the deity of Jesus. These are antichrists, and we should be careful to guard our hearts against their deceptions, along with all those who preach prosperity.

Try telling the Christians in China and Idonesia who are being martyred and made homeless and jobless to worry about not buying or selling.. they already live like that... they have nothing to buy or sell! Brothers and sisters, the war against sin in our own heart is where its at. We must cling to Jesus and repent of our apathy and lukewarmness... spend time in His prescence and get to know Him more and more. He's going to shake up His church so that the faithful remnant will have no option but to trust in Him for their every provision!!
Thats what the Israelites in the wilderness is a foreshadow of.. God forcing His people to rely on Him daily.

I pray that we will all come into a fuller knowledge of the person of Jesus Christ, not just know about Him and His words.. but know Him personally, God help us all to live up to His calling.

[Shammu]

Its interesting how wrapped up in end time prophesy people get. Many Christians worry about it constantly and are adamant and dogmatic over certain things. Like this whole idea of micro chips being implanted.. there is nothing in the bible to suggest its a microchip. It may well be, it might be a bar code, it might be a tatoo... but essentially, whatever it is.. it shouldn't bother us.

And rightly so bern. I don't worry about it at all. 2T and myself have just reported the news, in alot of threads. When we have an opinon, we have posted it as our opinon.

People keep looking to the future and worrying about the antichrist.. but listen to what God has said...

One of the reasons for these threads, is to show, after the rapture what is coming.

I pray that we will all come into a fuller knowledge of the person of Jesus Christ, not just know about Him and His words.. but know Him personally, God help us all to live up to His calling.

Amen!! Bern

[Bern]

Sorry mate, I didn't necessarily mean that my comments applied to you and 2T.. was more of a general comment really. Addressing the fear and obsession you find all over the church in these days.

[Bronzesnake]

Sorry mate, I didn't necessarily mean that my comments applied to you and 2T.. was more of a general comment really. Addressing the fear and obsession you find all over the church in these days.

  Good observation my friend. If it gets to the point of worrying or paranoia, then one must question the strength of their strength in faith and understanding of the scriptures. However, I do believe it is incumbent upon Christians to at least try to conceive of what scriptures such as the ones concerning the mark of the beast mean, so we can make those of us who are not saved yet aware of the coming situation, even if they don't believe in it. When it actually begins to happen, the foreknowledge will no doubt effect the future destinies of many souls.

Bronzesnake

[musicllover]

Sorry mate, I didn't necessarily mean that my comments applied to you and 2T.. was more of a general comment really. Addressing the fear and obsession you find all over the church in these days.

Playing catch-up, so if this has been answered just send me the right direction.
THis post reminded me of when my older brother accused me of seeing a devil behind every tree, it offended me at first. It was his way of saying I was a relegious freak, I couldn't see any good in the world, and and more so he wasn't taking me serioulsy. I felt his mockery of me was laughing at the bible as well,. But not anymore, I don't care who or what anyone may think of me, (since he has also begun to rethink he thinking) but YES I do see a demon behind every tree, Thank God for the tree but this world seems to be more intense, more evil as the days go by. I do understand my brothers old reluctance, I wonder how we can see the precious gifts God has given us in this world when all we see or are surrounded with is the evil that appears in TV, music, magazines, peoples behaviors etc etc etc Faith, hasnt died, or christian charity, hope It still out there, we as Christians have to find it, procude, but we need to be smart as well. These chips seems to me is just another step in a one world system, one currency, one relegion,.......... one way of controlling what all people can do, just the way the anti- christ will need for it to be so he can take power. STill I wonder, and I ask, taking the "mark of the beast" isn't that a choice that people make, is the 666# a symbol, or a real thing  like a tatoo, or is is a condition of the heart? Chip or no chip its a choice a person makes with there own mind....? just a wondering what you all thought
musicllover

[2nd Timothy]

All we know about it is what is stated in Revelation.

NASB
Rev 13:16  And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
Rev 13:17  and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

If it is implemented from an individual of power, designed to be in the hand or forehead, and is required to buy or sell, I would be warry.   Don't know if it will be a litteral 666 or not, but that number is said to be His number somehow.

Grace and Peace!

[musicllover]

All we know about it is what is stated in Revelation.

NASB
Rev 13:16  And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
Rev 13:17  and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

If it is implemented from an individual of power, designed to be in the hand or forehead, and is required to buy or sell, I would be warry.   Don't know if it will be a litteral 666 or not, but that number is said to be His number somehow.

Grace and Peace!

Timothy,
           I believe it will be a literally "something" like a tatoo, or a chip in the forehead or hand. So ya I agree anything to do with these body parts would be a defiant no no.
   I guess the reason I ask, several years ago when we got plates for our new car the last 3 numbers were 666. I had several church friends tell me to get rid of the plate, (I didn't know I could have asked for a different set) when others would scoff it off, say well its only a number right now, nothing to do with the Anti Christ, its only after the anti christ comes into power that the 666 will come into play. What happens if a person takes this chip for reasons that have nothing to do with the anti christ, for example the military could use it instead of dog tags, or  maybe a person knows nothing of the "end times" etc etc? That is why I asked about the condition of the heart? Kinda like what comes first decision or mark.....surely the decision must come. The mark can not be forced or can it?
musicllover

[2nd Timothy]

What happens if a person takes this chip for reasons that have nothing to do with the anti christ, for example the military could use it instead of dog tags, or  maybe a person knows nothing of the "end times" etc etc? That is why I asked about the condition of the heart? Kinda like what comes first decision or mark.....surely the decision must come. The mark can not be forced or can it?
musicllover

This is a tough question.   From other verses in Revelation it appears that all who accept the mark ALSO worship the beast.

Rev 14:9  Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10  he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Most every mention of the mark after where it is explained at first, includes worship of the beast.  I am not positive that the two are tied, but it certainly appears that way.   I suspect, that to receive this mark, one would have to pledge allegiance to the beast in some fashion....or perhaps denounce Christianity.  

I'm pretty sure you would not be able to take the mark accidentally as a true believer.   Others however, might.  It does say, that "He CAUSES all to receive a mark".   It will come from the antichrist, and it is necessary to buy or sell at that point.    

Hope this helps a little

Grace and Peace!