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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2004, 09:03:59 AM »

Isaiah 44:2 This is what the LORD says-
he who made you, who formed you in the womb,
and who will help you:

Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Isaiah 44:24 "This is what the LORD says-
your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:

Isaiah 49:5 And now the LORD says-
he who formed me in the womb to be his servant

Luke 1:41
When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:44
As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2004, 10:32:05 AM »

Genesis 38:27
When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.

Were they really twins? Were they really boys? "In her womb..."?  Roll Eyes

Romans 7:5
For as long as we lived that old way of life, doing whatever we felt we could get away with, sin was calling most of the shots as the old law code hemmed us in. And this made us all the more rebellious. In the end, all we had to show for it was miscarriages and stillbirths.


And with abortion rights all we have to show for it -- thanks to intelligent discourse  Roll Eyes -- is stillborn BABIES. Babies that are 'born' dead. Killed in the womb.
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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2004, 10:36:16 AM »

Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the path of the wind,
or how the body is formed in a mother's womb,
so you cannot understand the work of God,
the Maker of all things.

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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2004, 10:37:30 AM »

Jeremiah 20:17
For he did not kill me in the womb,...
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« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2004, 10:40:28 AM »

Hosea 13:
13 "When birth pangs signaled it was time to be born,
Ephraim was too stupid to come out of the womb.



Galatians 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth [1] and called me by his grace,

1. 1:15 Or from my mother's womb

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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2004, 10:46:52 AM »

Hosea 13:
13 "When birth pangs signaled it was time to be born,
Ephraim was too stupid to come out of the womb.

ROFL! Never read that in plain english before  Grin

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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2004, 02:30:11 PM »

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You've brought up a lot of definitions, but you haven't connected them with the discussion very well.  All the definitions of the words in the scripture do not speak to my question, where does the scripture talk about where your human life begins?  God knowing you before you are formed in the belly is totally different.

You might ask, is there ANY scripture that'd speak to that exact point?  I'd say yes.  Let's look to Genesis 2:5

"the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."  This says to me that the point at which you are able to take your first breaths

Surely you are able to see the difference here arent you?   You think my comments are not connected, but you ignore the main point God is making.   Either way, lets use your argument for a moment......

So if you happened along in the Garden while God was forming Adam from dust in the palms of His hands, you have a few questions to ask yourself here....

1.  Assuming you've decided, "I don't want Adam" (as if this should really be a choice in the first place), would God be upset with me if I grabbed that dust from HIS hands and destroyed it?  Surely it wont matter because He has yet to breath life into his nostrils.   Roll Eyes    This IMO would be pretty bold!

2.  As an american (pretend thats where the garden is) I have a right to undo what God is forming in the palms of His hands because I don't see anything morally wrong with it, and its my RIGHT to choose, as long as Adam is not breathing yet, AND, I really don't see in scripture when Life begins so God wont mind...right?  

Do you see anything wrong with this picture?   Even though Adam was not formed in the womb (which BTW is a poor argument anyways), He was still Gods handy work from the moment God conceived/knew him in His mind.   You on the other hand, are basing your decision on your standard of morals, rather than Gods.   Your argument is not with me or anyone else here in this thread.....its with God.   He is the one doing the forming.   I have this mental image of you standing there with Almighty God wrestling over a mound of dirt in His hands in some sort of tug-a-war game.   Sounds kind of silly, but its actually frightning if you think about it long enough.

Perhaps a better question than when does life begin is.....

Is my opinion of what is moral, more righteous than Gods?   Is it alright for me to undo what God is forming?   As a believer, am I giving my life, decisions, and path, completely to His will rather than my own?   Who is completely in charge of MY life?

If you're having trouble answering any of the above questions, then I suggest you spend a little time asking HIM who is running the show in your life, and what He really thinks about abortion.   Because in the end, it is HE we will answer to, not any personality in this thread.   You think we are squashing intelligent discourse here?  What till He is the one posting on judgment day!   Wink   In the mean time, you can take it from me.....I don't think He appreciates anyone undoing what He is in the middle of forming, whether that be from the dust of the earth, or the womb of a mother.   After all, its HIS will we seek in our lives, not our own.   Once we start basing our morals on what we think is right, we have already missed the mark altogether.

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« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2004, 02:31:07 PM »

Excellent posts SH   Smiley

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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2004, 12:25:13 PM »

First of all lets cover the platforms. Democrats are for many things that are against the teachings of the Bible.

There is a movement in the Democratic party turning toward Socialism. Socialism is not good for our country. It is one step away from communism. The taking away of our rights to worship as we so believe, our individual freedoms as Americans and as Christians.

The Republicans for the most part are just the opposite. For freedoms both religious and non-religious.

Now a little on the individual canidates.

JF Kerry has a bad record. Not going to get into unsubtantiated bashing here just those things that are proven facts. Yes Kerry served in Viet Nam. I will not attack his service. I was not with him and do not know the facts on that. I did serve in Viet Nam and I do know what he did when he returned from there.

What he did was traitorous. He joined an anti-govn't group while still serving obligated military time. He also had a secret meeting in Paris with the head of North Vietnam ( a communist) at a time when he was not an official representative of the U.S. He broke laws in both of these instances both legal and moral and in doing so caused a great deal of suffering for other Americans.

He should not have even been allowed to run for Senate or President as the law states that anyone having belonged to an anti-govn't group or associating with the enemy is not qualified to run for these offices.

His voting record as a Senator has been inconsistant. Saying one thing and doing another. Voting one way and then voting another.

GW Bush has at least been consistant in his record. We know more about what he is going to do. Is he perfect? No man is perfect but at least he is more in line with Biblical values and in the interests of all Americans.

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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2004, 01:36:31 PM »

Amen Paster Roger!   Nice to see you posting in the forums brother.

Grace and Peace!
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« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »

Thank you 2nd Timothy, always a pleasure to be in fellowship with other Christians.

May God bless you, brother.
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« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2004, 06:05:56 PM »

Pastor Roger,

Here's a second AMEN!!!!

WELCOME!!! to Christians Unite Brother.


I sincerely hope that you enjoy the fellowship of many sweet Christians here.

Love In Christ,
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« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2004, 09:31:23 PM »

Thank you Blackeyedpeas. From what I have seen so far I am sure that I will.
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« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2004, 04:24:47 AM »

Pastor Roger,

Here's a second AMEN!!!!

WELCOME!!! to Christians Unite Brother.


I sincerely hope that you enjoy the fellowship of many sweet Christians here.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Here's your third AMEN!!!! And you get"TWO"Thumbs UP


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« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2004, 07:19:10 PM »

oh my gosh...you guys, come on! You can not tell me that only two people on this site support Kerry. Whether more people are willing to admit it or not...not all Christians support Bush and you know it. It's not a sin to vote for Kerry, and *plenty* of good Christians are.
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