US Elections 2004

[digme]

digme & Bep,

I tire so terribly of folks that run around saying, "Baby killers are evil" and they never mention the men running around with their pants down fathering these unwanted pregnancies.  I think we would get further along in the pro-life movement if people would say, "Men's intentions toward women that are NOT noble are evil!"  That's where it starts.  Digme is saying it starts in the heart.  WE can't change people's behaviors with politics and we can't legislate love."  

hey candice, thanks for your comments.... sorry for this extension of your thought, i really didn't want to mention what you just have mentioned(on the previous post, you most probably have seen it me asking some to think reasons behind the problem too)... anyway, you know i just wanted to mention, what do you feel, that the problem even goes deeper than that? how about the desire for pleasure through our sexuality,- it is not even like the women are forced most of the time... us men- are so ever weak to give in to temptation- for a quick pleasure just as much as women... i don't know if you are male or female candice, but i am pretty sure that you agree with me when i say that the problem is just with women as much as it is with men... i could even go as far as saying our use of types of disfigurments we use to enhance our looks... what a sad expression of idolotary! Candice, please don't misuderstand me, it starts with me... i am not taking myself out of it...

One thing i want to say, candice, I am really disheartened by all that has been written through these pages.  Last time i wrote i think i touched upon something that nobody even looked at including an overlook by BEP. I am so saddened that us christians have chosen to dilute the message and think that it is OK to Flirt with truth, and i believe that is extremely dangerous.  I heard this analogy from a preacher. A man by the name of Malcom Muggerige once gave this analogy that if you put a frog in hot boiling water, it will instantly jump out, but if you take cold water, put the frog in it, and put the water and frog container under heat and slowly boil it, the frog would not jump for it doesn't know it is being boiled.  This thread just provides another means for us to be boiled that way, and unfortunately so many in here(this thread) are boiling and don't even know it yet. As far as i see it that is what is happening in here in this discussion. What do you think candice?

[RichardElchrist]

Just for the record yesterday afternoon I took the time to present a reply to all your answers, the angry red ones and the sincere ones too.

I spent a couple hours trying to make it easily understood.

I look this morning and see that my post has been removed with no reason sent to me as why.

I can only assume someone involved with this thread doesn' want the truth to be told.
That can only mean that someone is not supporting the Truth and the Light and the Way but instead the opposite.

I will not repeat it again.
I can't say I've enjoyed my visit to this little piece of the path to The Great Deciever's slaughterhouse, but I can say I tried my best to stay true to Jesus Christ and my rolel as defender of his True word.  

I feel bad for many of you as your hearts and souls were once reflections of the love of Christ. And that has been poisoned.
I offered an antidote. You refused it and scoffed at it.

Your attitudes and words here are very reminiscent of the words and attitudes of the Romans and Jews toward the end Of Jesus's 1st run on this Earth. And yet your blindness makes you think the opposite.

I suppose you could say you won this battle and I have lost.
And you have supported the Great Deciever in your victory.
The thing is you have lost too.
 

I will continue to fight and defend the Word of God and His Son Jesus Christ for I am sworn to do so and was baptised by His tears.

And I suppose you will continue to do the opposite while thinking you are doing the same.

I feel I have failed you.
Such is my lot.

 

[Evangelist]

General information:

Compiled from various news sources.

***FLASH***

Kerry picks up endorsements from two major political groups.

Over the past several days, John Kerry has won the endorsement of two major political organizations. On Monday, the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) gave Sen. Kerry their unqualified endorsement as the candidate that best and most closely parallels their ideals and agenda.

On Tuesday, the National Socialist Democrats also jumped on Kerry's bandwagon, saying "although we would have preferred Kucinich, Kerry is close enough to what we want".

[Allinall]

Candace said...

I tire so terribly of folks that run around saying, "Baby killers are evil" and they never mention the men running around with their pants down fathering these unwanted pregnancies.  I think we would get further along in the pro-life movement if people would say, "Men's intentions toward women that are NOT noble are evil!"  That's where it starts.  Digme is saying it starts in the heart.  WE can't change people's behaviors with politics and we can't legislate love.  

...ok.  Everyone take a big breath cause I'm about to agree with her!    I've always said that it doesn't take a man to father a child but it does take a man to be a father.

I'll just add this one too...it does take two to tango Candace.  But I do agree that men should step up and do what's right to begin with.

 

[Shammu]

Candace said...

I tire so terribly of folks that run around saying, "Baby killers are evil" and they never mention the men running around with their pants down fathering these unwanted pregnancies.  I think we would get further along in the pro-life movement if people would say, "Men's intentions toward women that are NOT noble are evil!"  That's where it starts.  Digme is saying it starts in the heart.  WE can't change people's behaviors with politics and we can't legislate love.  

...ok.  Everyone take a big breath cause I'm about to agree with her!    I've always said that it doesn't take a man to father a child but it does take a man to be a father.

I'll just add this one too...it does take two to tango Candace.  But I do agree that men should step up and do what's right to begin with.

 

I missed that as well. Yes Candace I agree with your statement. I don't know why, alot of people think about is sex. There is more to a relationship then sex.

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to Evangelist,

   Brother, I think that you just took the prize with your picture in the sig area. As some young people might say, "IT'S COOL!".

Love In Christ,
Tom

[nChrist]

Brothers and Sisters,

I don't know what the statistics show about abortion, but I would imagine a fairly large percentage involves another sin by both the man and the woman. Sex outside of marriage is sin, yet elementary schools in some parts of the country are teaching sex education, safe sex, and alternative lifestyles.

What happened to the good old days when Biblical morals were taught strictly. Sin usually does have some pretty rough prices, and many of them leave pain and suffering for a lifetime. "Abstinence" - end of story, unless the dad wishes to add some tender words of wisdom for the young men taking their daughter out for a date. I honestly believe that many people may spend half of their life getting a clue about what real love and marriage is. To say that the young man is just as responsible should be a given. Some folks torture themselves most of their lives and never learn the basics about real love between a man and a woman within the bonds of Holy matrimony. I might add that real love isn't sex, but that appears to be a frequent excuse.

The common denominator appears to be that sin always causes pain and suffering. Abortion just adds to the pain and suffering.

Love in Christ,
Tom

[Evangelist]

Thank you BEP.....wait'l you see him fly!!

KERRY PICKS UP MORE IMPORTANT INTERNATIONAL BACKING!!

During his Friday sermon in the city of Qom, broadcast by Channel 2 of Iranian TV on June 19, preacher Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli called on Americans to vote against Mr. Bush: "We advise the people of America not to continue to tolerate this oppressing, ignorant, pillaging, criminal, and discriminating administration. In the future, do not vote for Bush and his ilk."


Writing in the Tehran Times on June 17, Kian Nader Mokhtari praised Senator Kerry, and hoped that he would triumph over the "neo-Nazis" of the Bush administration: "It has long been a tradition in U.S. politics for irresponsible gun-toting Republican presidents to pass on unresolved dilemmas to their Democratic replacements, and Bush will be no exception…Kerry is exactly what the U.S. needs… Kerry's sensible and methodical approach will no doubt go some distance in solving the stinking heap of a mess left over by Bush and his neo-conservatives — for a minute there I was going to type neo-Nazis!...He [Kerry] may be remembered as the president whose decisions saved the U.S..."


The Lebanese minister of information, Michael Samaha, also discussed the election on Syrian TV on March 30: "The most important thing that could happen in the coming American elections if Kerry wins is that the neo-conservatives leave. They have a complete ideology regarding their treatment of the world and specifically the Middle East and the Near East to which we belong. If they leave, the real American America will return."


In an article in Al-Ahram weekly on April 18, an Arab-Israeli member of Knesset, Azmi Bishara, called on Arab-Americans to "rethink their alliance with Bush" and "shift their votes from Bush to Kerry."

[nChrist]

Evangelist,

   Brother Hank, NOW that is COOL! I imagine that I really don't know what the young people today call it. I was going to suggest "GROOVY", but I'm thinking that would be 60s. Whoever is doing those is very talented, and I hope they continue.

Reference Iraq, if the US Marines have a wheelchair brigade, I want my M16, a helmet, and an airplane ride. I really don't want my grandchildren to be fighting them on our streets. Worse, I don't want them to be innocent victims. If you will put a motor on that wheelchair, I'd volunteer for point man.

WOW!!! - I watched some clips of the Democratic Convention. All I can say is "Twilight Zone". On a funny note, I always knew there was some kind of band called "Blackeyed-Peas", and I finally saw and heard them.    I might have to change my Internet and forum handle back to what is was for so many years, "357 Magnum".

Brother, thanks for the news.

Love In Christ,
Tom

[ollie]

For I am a chosen defender of The Christ and you have raised your hand to smote me.

Errrrr...don'tcha mean "smite"?  I'd hate to have Reba smoting a chosen defender of The Christ when she meant to smite him...  Love ya Sis!

Seriously though, you claim Christ, so that makes you my brother.  You should check out the scriptures to learn God's view of war, government, and His role within each.  He sets up kings and takes down kings.  He steers nations in direction at His will.  I, for one, have no problem saying that the war in Iraq was God's will.  If it wasn't, then somebody sure caught Him by surprise...

If this were true then the their would be no such thing as evil in this physical world. And we both know their is. If this is true then I guess abortion is God's will? I think not. In fact I know better. One of the Great Deciever's method's is to have the masses say- it's ok, it's just God's will. That has been the false justification for so much evil in the world and here you are espousing it yet again. I am learning

 With regards to the Scriptures I have held the originals. I only know 5 others who can claim that. The words I protect have not been compromised by the filter of humans in the throes of greed and quest for power.

"With regards to the Scriptures I have held the originals. I only know 5 others who can claim that."

         

[Kristi Ann]

I am severly disabled and I am still awaiting SSDI from the SSA.

Stay Blessed,  \o/

KristiAnn

Expect to be turned down the first time you apply for SSDI Kristi. I am on SSDI and it took one year for me to be accepted. I was glad I had money socked away, it carried me over till I was accepted.

Dear DreamWeaver,

I do not know if I responded to this already.  I have been turned down by the Social Security Administration Twice already. They have quack doctors that do their evaluations of people!!!  I got a lawyer right away last year in 2003 for this, I also Emailed my Congressman about "My Story".

I have been waiting for more than a year for my SSDI.  I applied July 22nd, 2003.  I should have applied many years ago, hindsight is 20/20 though.  My lawyer has my records from Orthopaedic Hospital Foundation of Los Angeles for my severe birth defect called Pectus Excavatum.

I have a pretty good attorney, he is known very well in Portland, Oregon. He took my case on contingency, thus meaning I do not pay him until I win my case. For more of "My Story" Click here.  It's located at Kristi Ann's Haven under the Disbilities Forum.

I am tired right now, I just took one of my Vicodin Pain killers and mixed with my Trazodone sleeping pills knocks me out until morning. G'Nite everyone, Stay Blessed in the Lord Jesus.  Praise Jesus for Today & Everyday!

Love Always,

KristiAnn

[sincereheart]

Candace said...

I tire so terribly of folks that run around saying, "Baby killers are evil" and they never mention the men running around with their pants down fathering these unwanted pregnancies.  I think we would get further along in the pro-life movement if people would say, "Men's intentions toward women that are NOT noble are evil!"  That's where it starts.  Digme is saying it starts in the heart.  WE can't change people's behaviors with politics and we can't legislate love.  

...ok.  Everyone take a big breath cause I'm about to agree with her!    I've always said that it doesn't take a man to father a child but it does take a man to be a father.

I'll just add this one too...it does take two to tango Candace.  But I do agree that men should step up and do what's right to begin with.

 

Men should be taught to keep their pants up. As should women! If a woman keeps hers up and the man doesn't, well.... he shore will look pretty silly running around with his breeches down all by himself!  

I get tired of men taking all the blame when it's clearly not all the men's fault UNLESS it's a case of rape! Am I the only one who knows of women who use their 'feminine wiles'   to get pregnant and then 'hook' the man?  

Can't we just go back to raising our children with Godly values?

[Shammu]

Candace said...

I tire so terribly of folks that run around saying, "Baby killers are evil" and they never mention the men running around with their pants down fathering these unwanted pregnancies.  I think we would get further along in the pro-life movement if people would say, "Men's intentions toward women that are NOT noble are evil!"  That's where it starts.  Digme is saying it starts in the heart.  WE can't change people's behaviors with politics and we can't legislate love.  

...ok.  Everyone take a big breath cause I'm about to agree with her!    I've always said that it doesn't take a man to father a child but it does take a man to be a father.

I'll just add this one too...it does take two to tango Candace.  But I do agree that men should step up and do what's right to begin with.

 

Men should be taught to keep their pants up. As should women! If a woman keeps hers up and the man doesn't, well.... he shore will look pretty silly running around with his breeches down all by himself!  

I get tired of men taking all the blame when it's clearly not all the men's fault UNLESS it's a case of rape! Am I the only one who knows of women who use their 'feminine wiles'   to get pregnant and then 'hook' the man?  

There are cases of women raping a man, rare as they are it happens. Other wise I agree with you, sincereheart.

[Saved_byChrist]

I'm really torn. I don't know what to think....

I do not like George W. Bush whatsoever...in fact the only two things I like about him is that he's anti-gay and pro-life.

I would LOVE to see Kerry in the white house...but can't seem to get past the issue of abortion. Is it fair that I should vote for Kerry, and be happier with the way America is heading... but have so many babies dieing without the chance to see America at all? Or should I just support Bush and hope that abortion laws are changed within the next four years....that way, I may not support the direction America is heading- but at least there aren't so very many lives being just taken away..... But..uh! I'm so confused! thoughts?

[sincereheart]

in fact the only two things I like about him is that he's anti-gay and pro-life.

Those two sound like pretty big issues.  

I would LOVE to see Kerry in the white house...

Why??