Transgenic Food You Are NOW Eating-unlabeled

[Tibby]

Your eyes are opened? Ok, then open ours, please. You gave us a few articles, but the main focus of them was the increased USE of genetic food. It never shows us an Scientific data saying they where bad for humans.

You can say "It is bad because it isn't natural" all you want. This Frankenstein argument is ok, but it has a few fallacies. As I said before, just because it is made by God doesn't make it good. You are using the same debate marijuana users use. God made Poison Ivy, but I'm not about to touch that. God did not make the car, but that doesn’t keep me from using one. Your argument is good, but it has to many holes to hold any water. What I need is a Scientific study done in a lab. I want to see them feed natural foods to some mice and Transgenic Foods to others, I want to see what the outcome of that is before I just on your boat.

[cris]

Your eyes are opened? Ok, then open ours, please. You gave us a few articles, but the main focus of them was the increased USE of genetic food. It never shows us an Scientific data saying they where bad for humans.

You can say "It is bad because it isn't natural" all you want. This Frankenstein argument is ok, but it has a few fallacies. As I said before, just because it is made by God doesn't make it good. You are using the same debate marijuana users use. God made Poison Ivy, but I'm not about to touch that. God did not make the car, but that doesn’t keep me from using one. Your argument is good, but it has to many holes to hold any water. What I need is a Scientific study done in a lab. I want to see them feed natural foods to some mice and Transgenic Foods to others, I want to see what the outcome of that is before I just on your boat.

Tibby,

I've given you enough information.  You can go to your "search" window and type in GMO foods, Genetically Engineered Food, Transgenetic food, etc.  There's loads of information for someone who wants to know the truth.
Yes, you are correct when you say just because God made it doesn't make it good, partially.  Everything God made has a purpose, including poision ivy.  It's when man mis-uses what God has created that it becomes a problem.  We are mis-using just about everything He created.  I'm not going to list all of them.

The one website I gave you showed what happend to some mice that were given transgenic food-------they died.  If I've given you the wrong one, I'm sorry.  It's out there on the net, somewhere.

If you want scientific study, keep checking for it.  You'll find it.  I'm not going to do that searching for you.  If you have a desire, fine, if not, that's fine, too.  The only thing I'm doing is planting a seed, so to speak.  The rest is up to you to come to the truth.

The gov. is behind food alteration and they've hidden it from us for 10 years.  Doesn't that tell you something?

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

What I was talking about was that at one time natural (or organic foods as you refer) were at one time listed as cancer causing and then they came out and said it wasn't the food but rather the manner in which it was processed. We all have heard that certain additives can cause cancer but one of these processes included just cooking it in too high of a heat without any additives.

My brothers, sisters and I were raised on naturally grown foods. My Dad raised his own using all natural products with no chemical assistance of any sort. It did not lesson our childhood or adult illnesses. 85% of our food consisted of fruits and vegetables. We had very little meat and what we did eat consisted mostly of fish and chicken we raised ourselves. My parents both died of heart ailments and everyone of us kids (8 of us) all have high blood pressure and/or problems with Cholesterol. In fact my younger brother first had his problem at age 15.

My point is ..... no matter what you eat or don't eat we all are going to have problems in this world. A person can get so consummed with this sort of thing that they tend to start overlooking the things that are really important.

PR,

No organic food was ever listed as cancer causing.  Yes, the preparation of some foods (high heat)were touted as possibly causing cancer.  We are supposed to be eating fruits and vegetables in their raw form.  Cooking causes them to lose their enzymes.  We all like cooked food so we are supposed to be supplementing with enzymes.

Cholesterol isn't a problem but we've been told that it is, however, the ratio of LDL to HDL must be balanced.  It's the high levels of homocysteine(sp) and Lipo protein A and C reactive protein that causes heart attacks.  Also, the cholesterol lowering drugs being given cause a delpetion of COQ10 and that is causing heart attacks.  Watch, very soon on the cho. drugs given will be a note about what it does to COQ10.  It took a lot of work from a certain person to get the truth printed on the prescription bottle.

Now, about all of your family being raised on a farm, etc. some families have faulty genes to begin with and no anything (at the present time) can change that.  I didn't live at your house and I don't know exactly went on.  Processed foods have been available since, I think, the late 1800's.  It appears
(from what I've read) we need beef in our diets (protein).

Pastor Roger, you said you feel that no matter what one eats they are going to have problems.  This is extremely negative.  The problems that we'll have won't be coming from wrong eating.

Grace and peace,
cris

[Tibby]

I'll look it up next chance I get. You did bring the topic up, but if you do not feel like debating this topic, I can understand.

Just because the Government tried to hide it doesn't make it bad.

[2nd Timothy]

cris, I am sorry you found my comments offensive....but I think you said it best in your last post.

The problems that we'll have won't be coming from wrong eating.

To this I will say Amen!

Grace and Peace!

[Soldier4Christ]

The problems that we'll have won't be coming from wrong eating.

To this I also say Amen.

[cris]

Just in case I didn't make myself clear....................

If we eat organic foods (the way God intended), then the problems we'll encounter won't be coming from eating processed or altered food.

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

I'll look it up next chance I get. You did bring the topic up, but if you do not feel like debating this topic, I can understand.

Just because the Government tried to hide it doesn't make it bad.

"Was there ever a time when common sense was common?"

"Just because the government tried to hide it doesn't make it bad."

"Was there ever a time when common sense was common?"


Yes, I initiated the subject to inform my Christian brothers who are ignorant of it.  I did it out of love, not for debate.

Grace and peace,
cris

 

[ZakDar]

OK. Where to start. I HAVE done much research in these areas that have been brought up. I myself buy nothing but certified organic. Reason? The food has up to 30% more nutrients than their genetically altered counterparts.

Also, despite what claims you may have heard, (CONSIDER THE SOURCE!), foods treated with pesticides and herbicides contain considerable residue.

Next one - vaccinations. So you say you can't prove they are at fault? then provide me scientifc proof that vaccinations work!! And, I might add, scientific studies sponsored by pharmacuetical companies are disqualified.

Lastly, the cholestrol thing. I wa diagnosed with high cholestrol. Doc gave me a drug called Lipitor. I actually DO read those disclaimers, and found out the side effects - especially the shutting down of the body's production of ubiquinone (CoQ10).

Needless to say, I turned to a natural alternative with great success. First, high mega-doses of vitamin B3 (niacin) lowers your cholestrol quickly. Now, I eat flax seeds, supplemented with fish oils from salmon, sardines, mackerel, and tuna. This balances the very high omega 3 content in the flax seeds, with omega 6 in the fish.

It's not that surprising how God created things with such balance to keep us healthy.

In summary, I don't particularly like the way mankind has resorted to chemical food and chemical medicine. I think there is some real dangers here, especially when so many doctors mis-prescribe their patients. In fact, did you know that this mis-prescribing is now the 2nd leading killer of Americans?

One final little tidbit - the Greek word pharmacia, where we get our word pharmacy from, is translated sorcery in the Bible.

[Tibby]

I don’t  believe that, Cris. You kept bumping the post, and then, you jump all over the first post who replied, it looks me like you where looking for some kind of attention with this post.

Are you trying to say the Government only hides bad things from us?

[cris]

OK. Where to start. I HAVE done much research in these areas that have been brought up. I myself buy nothing but certified organic. Reason? The food has up to 30% more nutrients than their genetically altered counterparts.

Also, despite what claims you may have heard, (CONSIDER THE SOURCE!), foods treated with pesticides and herbicides contain considerable residue.

Next one - vaccinations. So you say you can't prove they are at fault? then provide me scientifc proof that vaccinations work!! And, I might add, scientific studies sponsored by pharmacuetical companies are disqualified.

Lastly, the cholestrol thing. I wa diagnosed with high cholestrol. Doc gave me a drug called Lipitor. I actually DO read those disclaimers, and found out the side effects - especially the shutting down of the body's production of ubiquinone (CoQ10).

Needless to say, I turned to a natural alternative with great success. First, high mega-doses of vitamin B3 (niacin) lowers your cholestrol quickly. Now, I eat flax seeds, supplemented with fish oils from salmon, sardines, mackerel, and tuna. This balances the very high omega 3 content in the flax seeds, with omega 6 in the fish.

It's not that surprising how God created things with such balance to keep us healthy.

In summary, I don't particularly like the way mankind has resorted to chemical food and chemical medicine. I think there is some real dangers here, especially when so many doctors mis-prescribe their patients. In fact, did you know that this mis-prescribing is now the 2nd leading killer of Americans?

One final little tidbit - the Greek word pharmacia, where we get our word pharmacy from, is translated sorcery in the Bible.

Halleiujah---------------Prase the Lord!!!
I needn't say another word.....................but I will.

Thanks for a confirmation of the truth ZakDar!  Wish I could have written as eloquently as you did.  God bless you.  He is.

Grace and peace,
cris

[cris]

I don’t  believe that, Cris. You kept bumping the post, and then, you jump all over the first post who replied, it looks me like you where looking for some kind of attention with this post.

Are you trying to say the Government only hides bad things from us?

1.  You have a choice to believe anything you choose!
2.  I have no idea what bumping the post means.  If you're    
     referring to what I said to 2T, it was between the two of
     us.  He apologized for being offensive.
3.  I don't need negative attention.  
4.  When it comes to food labeling, we, the citizens,    
     have a right to know what's in the food we're eating.  The
     gov. has been hiding it from us for 10 years.
5.  I posted information on transgenic food out of love for my  
     brothers who were ignorant of what is going on.  

Grace and peace,
cris

   

 

[Tibby]

Ok, thats good enough for me.

[Soldier4Christ]

Cris,

I do not agrue that genetically altered anything is against Gods plan .... at least to the extent that scientists are taking them. I had heard that they had put a spider gene into sheep. It had something to do with making the wool different, perhaps stronger or something. Whether it is foods or whatever else it is dangerous to mess with Gods creations in such a manner. After all how can fallible man improve on the perfect creations of God, he can't. Man will usually just make things less perfect and thereby cause himself more problems.

I am just not so sure about the part of the govnt purposefully hiding it from us for evil purposes. I hear these conspiracy type theories all the time and most of them just are not true. I would believe that the govn't was ignorant in what they were doing which is quite often the case with scientists and it does take them a long time to admit that they are wrong on anything. Look at the example of evolution and how long it has been. Scientists (some of them anyway) are just now willing to admit the falacies of that.

 

 

[cris]

Cris,

I do not agrue that genetically altered anything is against Gods plan .... at least to the extent that scientists are taking them. I had heard that they had put a spider gene into sheep. It had something to do with making the wool different, perhaps stronger or something. Whether it is foods or whatever else it is dangerous to mess with Gods creations in such a manner. After all how can fallible man improve on the perfect creations of God, he can't. Man will usually just make things less perfect and thereby cause himself more problems.

I am just not so sure about the part of the govnt purposefully hiding it from us for evil purposes. I hear these conspiracy type theories all the time and most of them just are not true. I would believe that the govn't was ignorant in what they were doing which is quite often the case with scientists and it does take them a long time to admit that they are wrong on anything. Look at the example of evolution and how long it has been. Scientists (some of them anyway) are just now willing to admit the falacies of that.

 

 

PR,

I understand how you feel about the gov.  Unfortunately it's a little naive and certainly disappointing, but it's true.  I've been into this "stuff" more years than I can count.  The fed's have raided alternative Doc's offices more times than you are aware of.  They've been called quacks and everything else you can think of. The gov. wants to discredit them but the Doc's patients have testimonies. These Doc's (a lot of them Christian) were not doing anything wrong, except helping people get healed without the help of pharmaceuticals.

May our Father, Creator of heaven and earth, through His son Jesus Christ give you wisdom and healing--------you and your family.  Amen

Grace and peace,
cris