My ministry

[Brother Love]

The Methodist church is okay.


They have pretty good doughnuts.  



   

(and coffee)


   

You Get"TWO"

[energizerbunny]

But I've never tasted the doughnuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Symphony]

Never, ever??


   


     

[Talmadge]

Shoe me from the word where Christ Oked female minister's and why did he only choose men to be with him? I am Baptist and and very glad to be. But when it comes to famale ministers, no way.

[energizerbunny]

Shoe me from the word where Christ Oked female minister's and why did he only choose men to be with him? I am Baptist and and very glad to be. But when it comes to famale ministers, no way.

Well, who are you to say that God hasn't called female ministers?  

And where did he only choose men to be with him??? Yes, he had male disicples, because of the culture.  And culture has changed alot of things.  According to the bible a female is saved only by bearing a child . . . what's up with that?  I know I'm saved, because I've been spiritually reborn, not had a kid.  I'm not gonna argue with you, I don't have the time nor the energy to argue with a legalist like yourself.  God Bless and have a great day!

[Talmadge]

See that is the deal, I am not legalistic , but I do take my teachings from the Word of God, not some rules made up by man in a denomination. I follow the Word as close as any human being has ever tried and I know it is almost impossible to not fall at some time or other. But there are several passages where God stated that the place for women in ministry and I don't remeber any of them giving permission to become ministries. If you suceed at this, just stick completely with the word. Let the word do it's own defining of what it means.

[sincereheart]

I'm not gonna argue with you, I don't have the time nor the energy to argue......

 

But you said previously:

"And I think that I am able to discuss patiently with you."
on the same subject.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=22;action=display;threadid=4147;start=90

According to the bible a female is saved only by bearing a child . . . what's up with that?  I know I'm saved, because I've been spiritually reborn, not had a kid.

1 Timothy 2:14-15
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women[1] will be saved[2] through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Footnotes
2:15 Greek she
2:15 Or restored

Now look at it in a different version.
1 Timothy 2:14-15
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.(1)
Nevertheless [the sentence put upon women of pain in motherhood does not hinder their souls' salvation, and] they will be saved [eternally] if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control, [saved indeed] through the Childbearing or by the birth of the divine Child.

Galatians 4:4
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman,...

[Talmadge]

I have known some really bibical teachers in my time that were female, but you could not get one of them to get behind a podium and "preach" the Word of God. They would willingly lead a classroom full of people though. I wonder why they would not preach the Word, only teach the Word?

[energizerbunny]

I have known some really bibical teachers in my time that were female, but you could not get one of them to get behind a podium and "preach" the Word of God. They would willingly lead a classroom full of people though. I wonder why they would not preach the Word, only teach the Word?

Simple they were not called to preach the word, only called to teach.  I am called to preach the word to the congregation, but not teach it.  

Yes, there are times where I will discuss everything, but I can't talk to a person who's a legalist.  I don't know why you ppl have such a hard time with me being a pastor.  You can argue all you want, but guess what?  It still doesn't change my calling to preach.  You can't "uncall" my calling to preach.

[Talmadge]

 




 

 

 

 

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First Timothy 2:13-14 gives the reason why this command is set forth and necessary in the local church: "For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." The Divine command in no way denotes any form of inferiority of women. Rather, this text reminds the reader that God has determined an order for the institutions that He has established. Paul's reasons for prohibiting a woman from authoritatively teaching the Word of God to men in the local assembly were based upon two historical events: the creation and the fall. Concerning creation, Kent writes, "The very chronological order of creation proves that Eve was not intended to direct Adam."29 Bowen agrees, noting that Adam's "chronological primacy in creation carried with it some degree of authority."30 Notice Brown's observation concerning the theology of the Progressives in relation to their view of women in the church:

The rejection of the special and separate creation of man and of woman is so common in our day that many may not even notice the ... pressure placed on them to deny every principle of order derived from it. It is in this climate that rejects (or ignores) the fundamental doctrine of creation in which egalitarian (re)interpretations of 1 Timothy 2:12 have flourished. It seems hardly promising to dispute the details, for it is often the fundamental principles that effectively control the outcome of one's interpretation.31

Such is certainly the case! If the Progressives do not even accept the literal, special, and separate creation of man and women, then the very underlying principle of why men hold a position of authority within the home and church is worthless, and no practical implications can be built from it.

 

Yet, not only are women to refrain from authoritatively proclaiming the Word of God to men due to the very order established by God from the time of creation, but they also must heed God's order as a result of the very nature of the fall. Again, verse 14 does not in any way denote the idea that women are less intelligent or even more easily deceived than men. Such is obviously not always the case, for men and women are equal as individuals in the sight of God, though each has been entrusted with a differing function or role. Rather, this verse relates the fact that Eve usurped authority over her husband by partaking of the fruit in disobedience to the clear command of God. Kent writes, "Thus the fall was caused, not only by disobeying God's command not to eat, but also by violating the divinely appointed relation between the sexes. Woman assumed headship, and man with full knowledge of the act, subordinated himself to her leadership and ate of the fruit (Rom. 5: 19)."32 Bowen calls this the "reversal of roles" and says that "Paul's point is that this role reversal that caused such devastation at the beginning must not be repeated in the church."33 While such a standard of male headship might not be popular or politically correct within today's culture, such are the norms God has established for His church, and those who are His children will only honor and glorify Him by subscribing to His standards with a willing heart and mind.

Conclusion


If one accepts the inerrancy and historical accuracy of Scripture and correctly interprets 1 Timothy 2:9-15, then all portions of New Testament Scripture that address the role of women in the local assembly will fall into place. For example, one will understand what Paul meant when he commanded women to "keep silence" in the local church (1 Cor. 14:33-34). One will also understand why the proscriptive nature of the Pastoral Epistles declares that a pastor/bishop/elder must be "the husband of one wife" (1 Tim. 3:2). The reader of the Pastoral Epistles must understand that Paul is giving direct, divine revelation concerning the roles and behavior of men and women in the local church, and women and men both possess certain ministries and responsibilities to fulfill. However, the woman is forbidden from preaching, or authoritatively proclaiming the truth of the Word of God, to men in a local assembly of believers. Today, this authoritative proclamation of the Word of God would include any form of pastoral ministry or the holding of any ordained office. The reasons for this divine injunction stem from God's prescribed order in creation, in the family and in the local church.
 
 
 




 

 
 
 

[Talmadge]

If you have given your age right, I can understand if you are really only 15 years old. I just hope by the time you get my age you will have seen the light a little different. Become a Chaplain with the faith you belong to. I don't know of any denomination that will stop a female from becoming a chaplain unless it is the Catholics. Aynway, hang in there and keep that love for Jesus and helping Him to plant the seeds. God bless you energizerbunny.

[energizerbunny]

Thank you.  I realize that some people don't believe in women preachers, but you obviously don't really care.  I mean, I appreciate that.  

[Talmadge]

Yes, I do care very much. Even the SBC has female chaplains, in hospitals and such. I said,"plant the seed".Anyone with the faith the size of a mustard seed can do that. Maybe as you grow in Christ, you will see where I am coming from. Not from me, but from the great"I AM".

[energizerbunny]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!