Politics

[Shammu]

"NASCAR Redneck" may be closer...

Yeah, we Illinoisans sure love watching 50 cars make left turns for three hours...it's our favorite pasttime.

43 cars are on the track, except before quailfying. The Trucks have 36 on the track.  

[Willowbirch]

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 Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi. Ah, Fascists are so cute at that age.

[NateyCakes]

Discussing politics makes many more enemies than friends.  (That is one of the truisms I've learned in my 49+ years on this earth.)

Your absolutely right. I know Ive met some great people in my life, as soon as politics start and ya'l don't see eye to eye per say, the next thing you know you are in a screaming match & they hate you, lol. Seems silly, but it's true. I myself love talking politics. I like to debate too, not argue

[Shammu]

Your absolutely right. I know Ive met some great people in my life, as soon as politics start and ya'l don't see eye to eye per say, the next thing you know you are in a screaming match & they hate you, lol. Seems silly, but it's true. I myself love talking politics. I like to debate too, not argue

This is one of the things I have learned as well.

[Tibby]

Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi.

Hmmm - Nazis were the "Socialist" party (look it up) - that makes Nazis LEFT wing (liberal).

Nice try, Judge Not, but Nazi’s are fascists, and Fascism is right-wing socialism. You are correct by saying Nazi’s are Socialist, however, that doesn’t necessarily make them Leftist.

Nazi’s are a lot of things, but Leftist isn’t one of them.

[Sapphire W34P0N]

Nice try, Judge Not, but Nazi’s are fascists, and Fascism is right-wing socialism.

Socialism is leftist, however. Here, I'll make a chart for you (NOTE: Look at this chart under your reply to see it correctly.):
        LEFT                                                 RIGHT          
                                        |
{Socialism}-------------------|-----------------{Capitalism}
[Left-wing]<--->[Right-wing]|[Left-wing]<--->[Right-wing]
                            Fascism |Democrats         Republicans
                             (Nazi)    |
                                        |



See? Naziism still leftist, even if it's a right-wing party. QED.

[JudgeNot]

Sapph -
For your chart to work, one would have to have two left hands and two right hands.

That's OK - I get your point.  Also the chart seems to show that the capitalist liberal party is much closer to fascism that the capitalist conservative party.

Bottom line:  Any political party can be "fascist" if they have unchecked control.

JN
PS: You're pretty good with your politics for your age

[ollie]

Who calls who "un-American"," unpatriotic" for disagreeing with the powers that be? They are the true fascists emerging in America today. It is how Hitler got control of Germany in many respects. By convincing the Germans, "his way or no way".
Seem familiar? That way should not be in free America.

[Tibby]

Nazi’s are a leftist righ-wing party? Sounds more like Rightist Propaganda in an attempt to disassociate the Right-wingers from Nazi’s.

What are you trying to say Ollie?

[Symphony]

When you get so extreme either way, left or right, is there really any difference?

We have simultaneous examples with the rise of Hitler in the 1930s, at the very same time Josef Stalin--at least in the name of the other extreme--was pulling his stunts, and on an even much "grander" scale than Hitler--some 48 million died at the hand of Stalin?  And the Nazis and the Russians were arch enemies--but the Russians far outpacing the Nazis(the advancing Russians crucified Polish or German women to the sides of barns on the westward march to Berlin, according to Solzhenytzin).  Not to exhonerate the Nazis by any means, it's just that either extreme resulted in the same end?

It's been mentioned that such western experiments in socialism, as in France, began to cool their heels a little after Solznytizin's tome of a testimony, The Gulag Archipeligo, was smuggled out of the USSR in the early 70s.  It's obvious no one has learned a lesson though, since now we're on the cusp of world socialism.  But whether "liberal" or "conservative", it hardly seems to matter.  I mean, couldn't you really argue that animal rights or greenpeace folk are really conservative, since they want to protect and "conserve" our natural resources(supposedly  )?

And in the same vein, couldn't you argue Jesus' conservatism or liberality either way?  I mean, isn't it Jesus' "liberality" that arguablly got him into so much trouble--healing and feeding whole crowds of people, and charging them nothing?  I mean, Jesus, of all people, is a literal poster boy for the liberal cause.  Liberals are always preaching toprovide for all the poor, for, um, ahem, *free*(though Jesus didn't take from anyone else in order to accomplish his deeds(called, ahem, taxes, or, ahem, confiscation, a pesky little point the liberals, hehe, will conveniently "leave out".   ).

So "politics" is just a graphic analysis of man's inability to get along with man, since worldly politics always disintegrates ultimately into confrontation and disenfranchisement.

[Tibby]

I believe this post has proven the point for me. We Need a politics board!

[JudgeNot]

Nazis:  Hitler was an animal lover and a vegetarian.  
Liberals:  PETA and.................

Nazis:  Banned then burned books that were not “in line” with their ideology.
Liberals:  Have banned such books as Tom Sawyer from public schools, and have labeled any other writings that doesn’t meet their ideology as ‘hate speech’ – including the Bible.

Nazis:  Believed in a superior race.
Liberals:  Believe in a superior race.  (As evidenced by race quotas, if you will, because ‘they’ are not capable of taking care of themselves so ‘we’ must take care of ‘them’ so ‘they’ owe their souls to ‘us’.)

Nazis:  Kill the sub-human Jews.  (6,000,000 Jews murdered.)
Liberals:  Kill the sub-human fetus.  (Since 1973 – 31,000,000 babies murdered and counting.)

Nazis:  No tolerance for disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.
Liberals:  Preach tolerance, but do not tolerate disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.

Nazis:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.
Liberals:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.

Nazis:  Religious systems are sociological poison.
Liberals:  Religious systems are sociological poison.

I could go on….

Lord Jesus - we pray you come soon.
JN

[Brother Love]

Why don’t we have a Politics section? A whole section, with boards for World Politics, US Politics, Elections and Candidate, political Theory, Economy, the Media, etc, etc

WOW!!! Wonderful idea Tibby, I am sure you know alot about Politics just like you know sooooo much about the Bible.  

Brother Love

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[Tibby]

Nazis:  Hitler was an animal lover and a vegetarian.  
Liberals:  PETA and.................

Oh, my bad, I had no idea being an animal lover made you a Lib I guess only the Libs can love Animals, right?

Nazis:  Banned then burned books that were not “in line” with their ideology.
Liberals:  Have banned such books as Tom Sawyer from public schools, and have labeled any other writings that doesn’t meet their ideology as ‘hate speech’ – including the Bible.

And of course, Christians never do anything of this nature.   Never hold bonfires to burn CDs and books. Never have books banned from school libraries. Never keep their child from reading this particular book or that particular book. Never try to keep valid Scientific thoeries from being taugh in schools. Yeah, Conserv's are all about free speech, as long as the speech argees with them. We are nothing like The libs or the Nazi's in that aspect.

Nazis:  Believed in a superior race.
Liberals:  Believe in a superior race.  (As evidenced by race quotas, if you will, because ‘they’ are not capable of taking care of themselves so ‘we’ must take care of ‘them’ so ‘they’ owe their souls to ‘us’.)

Yeah, Libs are the only ones with Racists in their bunch, too. You see TONS of Neo-Nazi libs and KKK libs and ANP libs, don't you?

Nazis:  Kill the sub-human Jews.  (6,000,000 Jews murdered.)
Liberals:  Kill the sub-human fetus.  (Since 1973 – 31,000,000 babies murdered and counting.)

You cannot group all Pro-choicers as libs, nor can you group all libs as pro-choice. I know a number of pro-choice Conserv's. Conserv's are normally the ones that support wars, by the way.

Nazis:  No tolerance for disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.
Liberals:  Preach tolerance, but do not tolerate disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.

Yeah, Conserv's are know for their tolerance of others beliefs. Next anti-Catholic I meet (an I meet a lot) I'll ask him if he is a Conserv or a Lib. Next Conservative 7 day young earth creationist I meet, I'll ask him how be feels about my thoughts in Evolution. Next time I see a Conserv, I will ask him his thoughts in the Lib veiw points. Lets see how Tolerant they are.

Nazis:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.
Liberals:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.

The belief that "Do what I say and the world will be perfect" is only held by the left?

Nazis:  Religious systems are sociological poison.
Liberals:  Religious systems are sociological poison.

Of course, their arn't any Conservs who hold this veiw, either.



You make some good points, but most of the things that the Libs have in Common with Nazi's is also something we find in the Conserv's. These arn't Ideological problems, they are human problems. Nazi's did do some very lib things. Just look at Nazi's Germany's Gun controll laws. Then again, they where in the middle of a war, but still...


BL- You know, I like you, bro. As long as you are around, it doesn't matter how little I know about a topic, because there will always be some who knows less.

[ollie]

Nazi&#8217;s are a leftist righ-wing party? Sounds more like Rightist Propaganda in an attempt to disassociate the Right-wingers from Nazi&#8217;s.

What are you trying to say Ollie?

"What are you trying to say Ollie?"