Dawkins is at it again!

[Dr.N.L.McKenzie]

Hello from the UK. Is it OK for a "Brit" (actually a Scot to be precise) to join in?
I will declare an interest right at the outset: I am a scientist and a theologian i.e. hold research degree in both fields, which just means I realise how much there is to now, and how little of it I know! However, I hope I would not be described as an ape in a lab coat. Such a derogatory description would not have been made by Jesus.

Prof. Dawkins was appointed to a post which had the purpose of popularising science - quite a good idea - but apparently also the hidden agenda of promoting atheism. In other words science had been subsumed under the umbrella of atheistic philosophy. This is entirely false, and easily demonstrated to be so by referring to the history of science, where a good number of great scientists were also Christians , and to the many scientist theologians today, of whom I am a minor member.

My field is cosmogony - the study of that part of cosmology dealing with the origin of the Universe. Prof. Dawkins would begin his philosophical reasoning with the premise: "In the beginning, nothing." Christian scientist theologians take the starting point to be, "In the beginning God." Which foundation provides a more reasonable origin for the laws of physics, the genetic code, all information, all intelligence, beauty, love, life itself?

So let's not insult our fellow human beings, made in the image of God, but confidently, gently and respectfully, lead them forward into a greater understanding of reality, and a better Way.

[Neo]

What'd you guys do with the Evolution/Creation forum?

That was the only reason I came here.

[JudgeNot]

So let's not insult our fellow human beings, made in the image of God, but confidently, gently and respectfully, lead them forward into a greater understanding of reality, and a better Way.

Good advise Dr. McKenzie - I've enjoyed your other posts - the "marriage” of science and spirituality is a great subject and I would enjoy a dedicated thread on the topic.  Your postings concerning Mars made me think (no small feat).

What'd you guys do with the Evolution/Creation forum?
That was the only reason I came here.

Take the hint, neo

[nChrist]

What'd you guys do with the Evolution/Creation forum?

That was the only reason I came here.

Oklahoma Howdy to Neo,

I see this is your first post on Christians Unite, so let me welcome you.

The Theory of Evolution is against the teachings of the Holy Bible, so this topic was removed from the forum. We don't discuss that topic here. However, there are many other interesting topics we hope you will enjoy.

In Christ,
Tom

[Dr.N.L.McKenzie]

Dear JudgeNot and Tom
Of course I am happy with the suggestion that we help one another to use scientific topics to gain access for the Gospel. Indeed that was my motive for posting the little note about Mars on the E-T Life on Mars board! Maybe that site can be broadened to one which helps us all to think positively about scientific topics, and give insights into what sort of contribution the Christian mind can make in these live hot topical discussions. We need to be prepared, so weknow what we can usefully say. I really love what Peter says aout exactly this in 1Pet.1:13.

I agree with Tom's sentiment that we need to avoid the temptation to set up yet another debating site for evolution/creation as this particular battle is like a shark fighting a tiger - each has its proper domain. My own position is that we should focus any discussion of this on the ground of agreement e.g. variation within species and adaptation to environment, which are both so well supported with observations that there can be no rational disagreement. Then we can contribute our view that both these show good design by an intelligent Designer, rather than simply being part of a random process.

However we should always seek to give a good account of our faith, showing others that we have an active and well-informed mind which supports our faith. Simply declaring that something cannot be right because it's anti-scriptural is OK for those of us "on the inside", but doesn't cut much ice or gain us a hearing from those "on the outside" whom we are seeking to win for Jesus. What I hope we can do is help one another in this forum to be able to give good reasons for our hope, but with "gentleness and respect" 1Peter 3:15.

What do you think?

[nChrist]

Oklahoma Howdy to Dr.N.L.McKenzie,

We've been there, done that, have the tee-shirt, and still have wounds healing from such topics as evolution and alternative lifestyles. It turned out to be nothing but a pulpit for the devil.

ADMIN owns all of the equipment for Christians Unite and pays all of the bills. His ultimate goal is to have Christians Unite a Christian Family Forum, safe for the entire family, including children. If you look at the forum rules, they are designed for this purpose and goal. We also don't discuss normal sex, nor do we allow the defense or promotion of so-called other religions.

In short, this is a place for Christian Fellowship and discussion. Some of the discussions are hot enough without the worldly topics. In fact, some of them are too hot. The lost coming here get all of the help they can stand.

Pointing the lost to Christ and the edification of God's children are much more important to us. Biblical topics are almost endless, and I think that most of us are trying to share them in Christian love and fellowship as our primary cause of coming here. Prayer, encouragement, and a host of other Christian functions give many of us a joyous place to come and partake of the things of God with the evils of this world hopefully minimized or shut out.

Love In Christ,
Tom