Bibles

[RichkCt]

I've heard many debates about this, explainations and I'm still confused..

I've been told the the KJV is the best, most accurate. I find it a bit of a difficult read.

The MKJV is a bit better but still I dont know about it...

The Literal Translation I'm not really comfortable either...

I've been told every Bible outside of these 3 bibles are herectic and garbage and inaccurate....and some are new age garbage..

Is this true any information would be greatly apprecaited..

Godbless
In Christ

[cris]

I've heard many debates about this, explainations and I'm still confused..

I've been told the the KJV is the best, most accurate. I find it a bit of a difficult read.

The MKJV is a bit better but still I dont know about it...

The Literal Translation I'm not really comfortable either...

I've been told every Bible outside of these 3 bibles are herectic and garbage and inaccurate....and some are new age garbage..

Is this true any information would be greatly apprecaited..

Godbless
In Christ

There should be a thread around here on CU in reference to this subject.  I don't know exactly where it is at the moment.  Look under debate, theology, bible study, apologetics.  It should be somewhere in there.

I've heard the discussion (argument) over the KJV.  There's lots of information on the net, pros and cons.  Just type in King James Bible in your search window.  It should keep you busy reading for about the next hundred or so years.
You might also (for information's sake) want to check out the Douay-Rheims history.  It's the bible translated into Latin by an early Church father, Jerome.  It was later translated into English and the NT was used extensively by the King James translators.  Douay Rheims is a catholic bible, in case you didn't know.

[Joey]

I've heard many debates about this, explainations and I'm still confused..

I've been told the the KJV is the best, most accurate. I find it a bit of a difficult read.

The MKJV is a bit better but still I dont know about it...

The Literal Translation I'm not really comfortable either...

I've been told every Bible outside of these 3 bibles are herectic and garbage and inaccurate....and some are new age garbage..

Is this true any information would be greatly apprecaited..

Godbless
In Christ

You know RichkCt, Before i started going online, i had never even heard of the debate between the KJ being the best bible and others being bad etc etc and i really wish that that was still the case and i still hadn't heard of this debate. I think i can honestly say this whole debate has caused me more frustration, harm and confusion in my christian walk than any other issue and even today, i still don't know which one i should be using.  

[JudgeNot]

I see this question asked again and again.  John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”  There is NOT a lot of room for interpretation there.  

The Word is alive just as surely as God is alive.  The True Word is not labeled KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASB, NASB, ASV, DT, LSD, NORAD, USMC or anything else.  The Word is God.  The Word is Jesus.  The Word is the Spirit.  

The Word lives.

There is no “version” of the Word – God never changes.  As far as I’ve read, John 3:16 says the same thing regardless of man’s ‘version’.

If someone announces “my version is the correct version” I believe that person confuses 'correct' with 'personal preference'.    

[sabrina]

So right there Judgenot.......it's all personal prefence........if you look at most of the bibles and take for instance John 3-6 they all say the same thing......I think commercialism and man's need for money has brought all these different arrays around.  Another of Satan's tactics to confuse and destroy us.  

[ravenloche]

Greetings in the wonderful name of our lord and savior Jesus!

I personally preach and teach from the KJV, however, I also
tell those under my ministry that there is no set version that
is absolutely the only one to use. Any bible that has enough
truth to let us know that Jesus died for our sins, arose again,
and now interceedes for us is a good bible. Some people can
understand one version better than another. The best version for any one person is the one that they can understand.

Don't let other people influence you when it comes to serving
The Lord. The voice you need to hear is God's voice. When
you hear that voice clearly, then all others tend to fade away.

Respectfully your in Yeshua:

ravenloche

[brandplucked]

I see this question asked again and again.  John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”  There is NOT a lot of room for interpretation there.  

The Word is alive just as surely as God is alive.  The True Word is not labeled KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASB, NASB, ASV, DT, LSD, NORAD, USMC or anything else.  The Word is God.  The Word is Jesus.  The Word is the Spirit.  

The Word lives.

There is no “version” of the Word – God never changes.  As far as I’ve read, John 3:16 says the same thing regardless of man’s ‘version’.

If someone announces “my version is the correct version” I believe that person confuses 'correct' with 'personal preference'.    

Hi Judge Not, saint, I think you are confusing two different things here.  "The Word" does refer to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.  However "the word of God" refers to His written revelation.  Without an inerrant Bible we really do not know anything - NOTHING AT ALL -about The Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

May I invite you to take a look at one of the two topics here and then respond more in depth?  Read either "The Bible is not the inspired and inerrant word of God" or "No Doctrines are Changed"?

Do all these "bibles" teach the same things about The Word?
No, they don't.

Do we have an inerrant Bible or just conflicting ballpark approximations of what God may or may not have said?

Did God keep His promises to preserve His words in a Book here on this earth, or did He lie or exaggerate about this?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

God bless,

Will K

[Rhys]

While the KJV can be hard to understand, sometimes it can be good to "stretch your mental muscles" rather than take the easy path. I personally use it, having started out with it, but I don't worship it. I am just suspicious of the agendas of those who translated some of the more recent versions. The OLD American Standard version isn't bad, if you can find one.

I find the translations done back when spiritual concerns were the main preoccupation of the day express spiritual concepts much better than modern translations which try to use our present day technically - oriented language to express them. It makes them easier to read, but we simply don''t have the words available today to express them well. Language develops and changes over time to fit the concerns and preoccupations of the people speaking, and spiritual concepts are not the main concern of present-day America.

Of course, if you really want accuracy, you can study Greek and Hebrew and get versions in the original languages to read!!! I never had time for that. I do look up the Greek or Hebrew in Strong's Concordance some times to check the meaning.

[brandplucked]

While the KJV can be hard to understand, sometimes it can be good to "stretch your mental muscles" rather than take the easy path. I personally use it, having started out with it, but I don't worship it. I am just suspicious of the agendas of those who translated some of the more recent versions. The OLD American Standard version isn't bad, if you can find one.

Of course, if you really want accuracy, you can study Greek and Hebrew and get versions in the original languages to read!!! I never had time for that. I do look up the Greek or Hebrew in Strong's Concordance some times to check the meaning.

Hi Rhys, thanks for the thoughts.  However it still looks like you do not believe The Bible (any Bible) is now today the inerrant, complete and inspired words of God.

Are you aware that the Old ASV of 1991 differs radically from the King James Bible in omitting some 17 entire verses from the New Testament?  Have you ever seen how the ASV degrades the Person of Christ by its footnote in John 9:38?

The verse reads: "And he said, Lord, I believe.  And he worshipped* him."

Then the ASV footnote reveals their anti-Christ mindset saying: "The Greek word (worshipped) denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to a a creature AS HERE, or to the Creator."

Fine bunch of scholars these guys were, huh?

So, the bottom line is You do not believe The Bible is the inspired and inerrant words of God, right?

God bless,

Will

[Rhys]

"So, the bottom line is You do not believe The Bible is the inspired and inerrant words of God, right?"

Wrong. But I am aware of the problems in translating any book or document into another language accurately, even if the translators have the best intentions and no personal agenda.

[brandplucked]

"So, the bottom line is You do not believe The Bible is the inspired and inerrant words of God, right?"

Wrong. But I am aware of the problems in translating any book or document into another language accurately, even if the translators have the best intentions and no personal agenda.

Hi Rhys, could you then please tell us which text or which Bible of all the multiple choice, conflicting, contradictory and totally different in hundreds of verses Bible versions you believe is now the inerrant words of God?

Please give it a name so we can get ourselves a copy of it and compare it to all the others.

Thanks,

Will

[PeterAV]

Hi Joey!Here is one of your quotes.

You know RichkCt, Before i started going online, i had never even heard of the debate between the KJ being the best bible and others being bad etc etc and i really wish that that was still the case and i still hadn't heard of this debate. I think i can honestly say this whole debate has caused me more frustration, harm and confusion in my christian walk than any other issue and even today, i still don't know which one i should be using.  

I would be tempted to say that "Ignorance is bliss." but I do not think this is really the case here.
I truly believe that you are being confronted with truth,and you have been so long in accepting a lie,that it confuses you to a point,
Why?
Because you are listening to men and not the Holy Bible.
Opinions are not the standard,the Holy Bible is.
The KJV is without proven error,while all other wannabees are riddled with it.Errors abound on every page.

Satan tempted Eve and she yielded to the promise that she would be a god and be the "ARBITER" against God.
This is the foundation of the new versions and modern scholarship.It is built upon the Game of "I PREFER".

This is why all of the divergent words used plus the Copyright laws."...Substantial differences to the original in content and structure..."You know the old saying $m$o$n$e$y $t$a$l$k$s.

If you take a look at Will's posts,you will see the obvious corruption of the modern versions at many turns.

Here are a couple of sites to visit that will expose the necromancers for who they really are.

http://www.historicist.com/necromancers/necromancers.htm

http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/rlister/wh/wh.htm

These will give you a little insight to the two that have changed the modern versions,and why they ought not to be trusted.

That is nothing short of the Nicolaitan spirit.Having some upper class rule over the people.

KJV has the overwhelming support of evidence verses the modern 1% minority Alexandrian corrupted texts pimped out by heretics such as Origen,Eusebius,Jerome,and in these last days ressurected by the two Apostate church men,that were necromancers during the time of their producion of the new Greek text,and English version.Westcott and Hort.

Let's see now,they hated the Bible,so they wanted to change it.They did not believe in the begining of Genesis,They admired Mary-worship,they did not believe in Jesus'atoning sacrifice,They believed in purgatory,and a myriad of other horrible doctrine perversions.
Obviously they were possessed of Satan for this work.And the Church has believed their lies.Even though many are saying that W&H have not proved their theories,they still use their materials,anyway.Even some of the modern translators and editors had no clue as to the lifestyle of Westcott and Hort.

Make sure to read the links.
Here is a short list of perverted verses.If even one is wrong then you know that you have a perverted Bible.
The standard is the Holy Bible,AV 1611,KJV

John 3:16
2Tim 2:15
1 Tim 6:6,10,20
2Cor 2:17
Well I could put down hundreds and hundres but this alone should expose many fakers for the culprits they really are.

Relentless for him,
PeterAV
Thy word is truth.
John17:17

[nChrist]

Peter,

What I saw was false and hypocrisy. So, after 50 years of using the KJV, I'm happily using a different translation. So, thanks for the expose.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Peter 1:3-5 ASV  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[brandplucked]

Peter,

What I saw was false and hypocrisy. So, after 50 years of using the KJV, I'm happily using a different translation. So, thanks for the expose.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Tom, your having abandoned the King James Bible as the most accurate Book on earth is a severe loss we Bible believers will not soon recover from.

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.  And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it."   Amos 8:11-12


Will K

[nChrist]

Peter,

What I saw was false and hypocrisy. So, after 50 years of using the KJV, I'm happily using a different translation. So, thanks for the expose.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Tom, your having abandoned the King James Bible as the most accurate Book on earth is a severe loss we Bible believers will not soon recover from.

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.  And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it."   Amos 8:11-12


Will K

gotcha104,

It's all real simple:

You preach King James, and that's all you do or appear to have time for.

I'll preach JESUS CHRIST and that's all I want to have time for.

Other than the above, your one track is false and is hurting God's Work. So, I don't want to be associated with anything like that.

Nobody is called to preach King James, but many are called to preach JESUS CHRIST and the Cross.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Timothy 6:12 ASV  Fight the good fight of the faith, lay hold on the life eternal, whereunto thou wast called, and didst confess the good confession in the sight of many witnesses.

1 Corinthians 1:18 ASV  For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.