Being charismatic

[hal weeks]

Is being non-charismatic merely a "Declaration of Independence" or are there Scriptural reasons for not wanting to be so?  Is being ignorant justified?
This is a sincere question since it may come up in our Bible class.

[hal weeks]

This is just to check being notified

[Ambassador4Christ]

Is being non-charismatic merely a "Declaration of Independence" or are there Scriptural reasons for not wanting to be so?  Is being ignorant justified?
This is a sincere question since it may come up in our Bible class.

I am ex-charismatic

Thank You Jesus

 

[hal weeks]

Thank you for your response.
May I ask you how could become an ex?
Scriptures say the gifts of God are without repentence.

I do not recall anyone ever saying they were ex- charismatic.

I am using the term "charismatic" as having been baptized in the Holy Spirit by the Baptizer, Jesus Christ.

Can one become unbaptized?

thanks again for your response.  I am here to learn.

[Paul2]

"charismatic" makes me think of the "charismatic" movement, and all the hype. Healings, tongues, slaying the spirit, the dog and pony show type of stuff. I can't speak for Ambassador4Christ but I'm betting he's thinking along these lines.

                                                              Paul2

[hal weeks]

Yes, I agree there have been some extremes in the charismtic movement since God does not require maturity nor emotional stability.  Maturity and understanding can come later.  I have been involved in having been baptized in the Holy Spirit for now 26 years and I have never seen the extremes you refer to.  However, I have seen many who lives were miraculous transformed as attested to in my website.
http://home.san.rr.com/healing/miracles.htm

All He requires is obedience - to be thirsty.  John7:37-39

I think it is tragic that so few can turn off so many.

I just read there are an estimated 150,000,000 charismatic Catholics.  How many are there who have discredited the movement by their lack of judgement?

[Symphony]

Hi, Bro. Weeks.  Welcome back.  NIce to hear from you.

I think charismatic implies a broad range of meanings.

Maybe ideally, we're all spirit-indwelled Christians, in our obedience to Jesus Christ.  How that becomes expressed is probably a variable among all of us?

Take me, for instance.  Sometimes I'm just a charismatic putty tat:



Other times I'm just a timid whittle charismatic tweety bird...

[ebia]

I am using the term "charismatic" as having been baptized in the Holy Spirit by the Baptizer, Jesus Christ.

If that is your whole definition of charismatic, then I think most Christians would put (or hope) themselves within that group.
However, I don't think that is what most people understand by the word charismatic.

[ebia]

Is being non-charismatic merely a "Declaration of Independence" or are there Scriptural reasons for not wanting to be so?  Is being ignorant justified?
This is a sincere question since it may come up in our Bible class.

Maybe you could unpack this a bit.

Oh, and "are you just ignorant or what?" doesn't sound much like a sincere question.

[hal weeks]

I am always sincere but I do like to chide.

There seems to be more warnings than words of encouragement about this that i am trying to balance out.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Is being non-charismatic merely a "Declaration of Independence" or are there Scriptural reasons for not wanting to be so?  Is being ignorant justified?
This is a sincere question since it may come up in our Bible class.

I am ex-charismatic

Thank You Jesus

 

I am not here to upset you or others, I am ex-charismatic, I never would want to be a  charismatic again.

Grace & Peace

[Brother Love]

charismatic "No Way"

Brother Love

[Petro]

Yes, I agree there have been some extremes in the charismtic movement since God does not require maturity nor emotional stability.  Maturity and understanding can come later.  I have been involved in having been baptized in the Holy Spirit for now 26 years and I have never seen the extremes you refer to.  However, I have seen many who lives were miraculous transformed as attested to in my website.
http://home.san.rr.com/healing/miracles.htm

All He requires is obedience - to be thirsty.  John7:37-39

I think it is tragic that so few can turn off so many.

I just read there are an estimated 150,000,000 charismatic Catholics.  How many are there who have discredited the movement by their lack of judgement?

hall weeks,

I was reading this thread, and it reminded me, this term, became famous, by the the use of it within the Catholic church.

What is interesting, is that these manifestations, are similar to movemenst in the protestant churchs, which seek these signs.

What I find also, interesting is that in every case, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is always refferred to as;

Baptism of the Holy Spirit or Baptism by the Holy Spirit.

Yet, John the Baptist, refferred to it ,as the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

I was under the impression, this was pretty well, dead within thre Catholic church, is it still, something which is excersized therein??


Petro

[hal weeks]

I understand that there has been not letup in the charismatic movement within the Catholic church.  Although it started there, it is now estimated there are over 250,000,000 "charismatics" worldwide.  One of the fastest growing denominations is the Assemblies of God, which is Pentecostal or charismatic.
As I understand the meaning of the word "baptism" it means to immerse or dip.  Therefore the prefered expression seems to be baptism in the Holy Spirit.  Baptism by the Holy Spirit suggests that the Holy Spirit is the baptizer when it actually is Jesus.  Baptism with the Holy Spirit suggests it is a joint experience.
However, what is most importand is to understand its purpose.  John 7:37-39 are the verses I use when praying with someone to receive it.  Pentecost is what empowered the early church to preach the gospel.  I see no less need today.

[Ambassador4Christ]

Also ex-Assemblies of God

Thank You Jesus