Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies?

[xjesusrocksx]

President Bush claims to be against Abortion.  Abortion is killing.  But President Bush sends OUR armies into Iraq to kill people. They kill innocent civilians and Iraqi babies.

Why are we Christians not calling for President Bush to stop the killing of Iraqi babies?  Why aren't we calling for the President to stop killing ALL people - born and unborn?

THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

[keanon]

what is so hard to understand about "thou shalt not kill?"

which part is it that throws bush, his followers, and so many war-supporting pseudo-christians throughout history for a loop?

www.lancet.org estimates 100,000 civilian deaths so far in the war on terror. innocent people, including babies and women.

george w. bush oversaw, given the US status as BIGGEST users of the death penalty in the world and texas as the highest users in the US, the most death penalty exeutions in the world including those of mentally handicapped people and minors.

is this the "culture of life" that we're seeking?

this is not the way of christ.

[Marv]

What do you think the public response would be if Texas started executing mothers who had had abortions?

If abortion is premeditated murder and the death penalty is proper, isn't this the correct thing to have done?

Marv

[BFWard]

Actually, the direct translation was "Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder".  As demonstrated in the Books of Joshua, Judges, First and Second Maccabees, the Lord has permited war related killings, even to a grand scale.

There is also a big difference in accidental deaths, and the actual targeting of the innocent, as done by the enemy the opposition supports either directly, or indirectly.

It amazes me that those who cry out about the thousands of collateral deaths in this war also support the slaughter of millions of unborn children.

[keanon]

murder is murder is murder.
invading another country without provoked attack and slaughtering innocents by the tens or hundreds of thousands is against the teachings of Christ.

Your response is blatantly ignorant and typical of what Christianity has become to many today:, a way of justifying the legislation of moral principles, despite the grossly apparent hypocrisy inherent to them. NO abortion but YES to the CONDONING THROUGH SUPPORT of the killing of people in a country who never attacked us, including women and children?

the government conducts war KNOWINGLY accepting civilian casualties from the outset. bombs and weapons are built with your tax money that will kill everything for hundreds of miles around. most recently, all "military aged men" from 18 to 34 were prevented from leaving fallujah prior to the tens of thousands-strong invasion by the US and UK. these men needed no prior evidence of insurgent involvement. we just "had to be sure."

THESE ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST.
the "moral majority" of pat robertson, and now the bush dynasty, has wrestled the word of Jesus away from Jesus in order to justify hatred and murder.

[Bronzesnake]

 

Why are we Christians not calling for President Bush to stop the killing of Iraqi babies?

 What a huge pile of Hyperbole! How disingenuous does it get folks?

Thou Shall Not Murder is the correct translation my friends.

 Included among the Ten Commandments was the simple command "You shall not murder." This command did not prohibit all killing, but only certain kinds of killing. Under normal circumstances, capital punishment and killing during warfare were not considered murder. Capital punishment was a part of the covenant itself (Exodus 21:12–17).

 Why don't you ask God why He killed all those babies in Egypt? Also, ask God why He killed every living soul, including babies in Sodom & Gomorra?

 In Deuteronomy 20, God gave laws regulating warfare. Offers of surrender, plundering and enslavement of the enemy's females and children are all regulated in chapter 20. Deu 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:  

 My friends, if you hate Bush for fighting against terrorism, you must realy hate God for being so thoroughly brutal huh?

Deuteronomy 20 plainly says that some of Israel's future wars would take them far from their borders. So the warfare anticipated in the chapter was not even limited to defensive warfare fought only in their own territory. Nor was it limited to the occupation of the Promised Land. It involved the destruction of cities and the enslavement of women and children far from the land of Israel.

 These insurgents are sworn enemies of Israel my friends. We know what God does to such as these.

 No sane person wants to see any innocent people get killed in war, especially babies. The U.S. take great care not to hit innocent people. Don't you know that the U.S. military could easily wipe of the entire country without any regard to innocent life? War is nasty business, and a fact of life which can not be avoided. Would you have our enemies attack us without fear of reprisal?

 Look how long the negotiations took place in regard to Falluja. They didn't rush in and wipe everyone out did they? They gave the insurgents many opportunities to surrender their weapons and go home - they offered them amnesty! It was only after months of failed negotiations that the army has finally moved in to secure the city.

Bronzesnake

[coptic]

murder is murder is murder.
invading another country without provoked attack and slaughtering innocents by the tens or hundreds of thousands is against the teachings of Christ.

Your response is blatantly ignorant and typical of what Christianity has become to many today:, a way of justifying the legislation of moral principles, despite the grossly apparent hypocrisy inherent to them. NO abortion but YES to the CONDONING THROUGH SUPPORT of the killing of people in a country who never attacked us, including women and children?

the government conducts war KNOWINGLY accepting civilian casualties from the outset. bombs and weapons are built with your tax money that will kill everything for hundreds of miles around. most recently, all "military aged men" from 18 to 34 were prevented from leaving fallujah prior to the tens of thousands-strong invasion by the US and UK. these men needed no prior evidence of insurgent involvement. we just "had to be sure."

THESE ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST.
the "moral majority" of pat robertson, and now the bush dynasty, has wrestled the word of Jesus away from Jesus in order to justify hatred and murder.

I couldn't have said it better, my friend!

[keanon]

does the word of God detail the "rules of war" when the war itself is fought for political and monetary gain?

iraq did not attack us.

100,000 civilians have died as a result of this war.

more people have died at the hands of "Christian" crusades than of all other wars combined.

is this the "culture of life" that bush speaks of?
a culture that builds nuclear bombs and threatens to kill other people who do the same?
a culture where the death penalty is still used on children, leaving us one of the only countries on earth to still use this practice?
a culture where profits are made from the manufacture of weapons of death?

wake up. please. Jesus would not condone this.

[BFWard]

I love it when the Crusades are overmentioned in history.  How small were the crusades compared to the Muslim conquests?  North Africa, Syria, Turkey, all the way up to Wester Iraq were Judeo/Christian before they became Muslim.  Do you think they converted to Islam out of pure curiosity?  If you think this, I am not the one posting ignorant replies.

And please do not rewrite the Bible.  The translation is "Do NOT MURDER"

Would Jesus approve.  Unknown.  But be advised that the wars mentioned in the Old Testament were for LAND.  Does this mean God was evil?

[Brother Love]

President Bush claims to be against Abortion.  Abortion is killing.  But President Bush sends OUR armies into Iraq to kill people. They kill innocent civilians and Iraqi babies.

Why are we Christians not calling for President Bush to stop the killing of Iraqi babies?  Why aren't we calling for the President to stop killing ALL people - born and unborn?

THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Brother Love]

what is so hard to understand about "thou shalt not kill?"

which part is it that throws bush, his followers, and so many war-supporting pseudo-christians throughout history for a loop?

www.lancet.org estimates 100,000 civilian deaths so far in the war on terror. innocent people, including babies and women.

george w. bush oversaw, given the US status as BIGGEST users of the death penalty in the world and texas as the highest users in the US, the most death penalty exeutions in the world including those of mentally handicapped people and minors.

is this the "culture of life" that we're seeking?

this is not the way of christ.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Bronzesnake]

 Saddam and the insurgents are sworn enemies of the Jews.
The Bible is clear as to how God deals with these peoples.

  You can not be taken serious when you come to a Christian forum and slam Christians, using disingenuous, one sided arguments such as... more people have died at the hands of "Christian" crusades than of all other wars combined. That is just plain foolish. I don't know if you are lying or just seriously misinformed.
 Where is your condemnation of Islamist terrorism?

 Bronzesnake
 

[keanon]

The crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Reformation
The witch trials
The Holocaust

All that death and more iin the name of Christ.

It would perhaps be unacceptable in some circles to point out the fact that in many European countries, religion plays an even smaller role in people's lives than it does in America - yet levels of violence are lower than here. Were a lack of religion any sort of cause of violence, then we would find higher amounts of violence in countries like Germany rather than Ireland, where both religion and violence have been prominent in daily life.

Facts like this must lead any rational person to treat claim of religion as a solution to our ills - real or perceived - with real skepticism. Religion has in fact done even more to promote base inhumanity when it has become wedded to ruling political powers. It has been a common pattern throughout human history that wherever religious dogmas have gained worldly power, violence was abetted rather than stopped. Even if a person were to successfully argue that none of the violence was caused by religion, the fact would remain that religion not only failed to stop it, but has actually served as a useful tool for those perpetuating it.

Is Christianity only a religion of Peace and Love? I do not think that anyone can honestly and objectively examine American or European history and answer "yes" to that question. Christianity can encourage Peace and Love - but it certainly need not, and it quite often has done just the opposite. Although the people responsible for violence might have found a way to express their hatred without Christianity, it cannot be ignored that Christianity offers a convenient divine mandate for hatred and violent acts against a wide range of people.

[Brother Love]

What do you think the public response would be if Texas started executing mothers who had had abortions?

If abortion is premeditated murder and the death penalty is proper, isn't this the correct thing to have done?

Marv

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Brother Love]

murder is murder is murder.
invading another country without provoked attack and slaughtering innocents by the tens or hundreds of thousands is against the teachings of Christ.

Your response is blatantly ignorant and typical of what Christianity has become to many today:, a way of justifying the legislation of moral principles, despite the grossly apparent hypocrisy inherent to them. NO abortion but YES to the CONDONING THROUGH SUPPORT of the killing of people in a country who never attacked us, including women and children?

the government conducts war KNOWINGLY accepting civilian casualties from the outset. bombs and weapons are built with your tax money that will kill everything for hundreds of miles around. most recently, all "military aged men" from 18 to 34 were prevented from leaving fallujah prior to the tens of thousands-strong invasion by the US and UK. these men needed no prior evidence of insurgent involvement. we just "had to be sure."

THESE ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST.
the "moral majority" of pat robertson, and now the bush dynasty, has wrestled the word of Jesus away from Jesus in order to justify hatred and murder.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.