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« on: October 20, 2004, 10:11:29 PM »

I am one who thinks that our country's government depends on the public being honestly educated about current political events. Over the past four years the exact opposite has taken place.

Many Americans support attacking Iraq after believing a series of lies from the Bush Administration. As our source of information about terrorism, war, and foreign policy, the administration encourages a series of misconceptions that lead directly to their unfounded support.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

The report at that link is an interesting study. It demonstrates some grave misconceptions held in this country.

Many people think that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks.

A good number have been fooled into thinking we have found stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war ended.

Numerous Americans think most people in the world were not opposed to the US going into Iraq even w/o UN approval.

It also shows some interesting facts, like you are much more likely to have these misconceptions if you primarily watch Fox News. However, the more critical and scary fact that it demonstrates is that that you are tremendously more likely to support the war if you have these misconceptions. Duh! Who wouldn't support the President if they thought that Iraq sent people to attack us on September 11th, that Hussein had tons of nuclear warheads, and that the rest of the world is wishing that we'd go in . . . just that pesky UN trying to hold everyone back.

The Iraq war is only one of a long string of deceptions. I cannot vote to reelect a liar into office. These sorts of lies hijack our government and render our democracy ineffective. How can you vote for the best candidate if you're not given the right facts?
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2004, 10:32:50 PM »

My way or no way and my way can never be wrong has all the marks of fascism. Europe was full of it at the emergence of Hitler and Mussolini. Now we see hints of it in our so called two party system.

The president is not necessarily a moral leader but honesty is very important in such a position.
Also the ability to realize  mistakes and turn from them and correct the mistakes. Our current president would call this, "flip-flopping".  I think he sees it as a weakness of character instead of a strength.

God's will be done.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2004, 07:39:43 AM »

Also the ability to realize  mistakes and turn from them and correct the mistakes. Our current president would call this, "flip-flopping".  I think he sees it as a weakness of character instead of a strength.

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"It doesn't include less clear-cut sins of omission and opportunism, such as his stirring denunciations of companies caught in accounting frauds, even though he supported a 1995 law protecting those companies from liability. And it doesn't include the inevitable fund-raising hypocrisies that accompany all modern campaigns, such as his donations from some of the "Benedict Arnold" companies he routinely rips on the trail, or his bundling of contributions from special interests despite his high-minded rejection of PAC money. Even so, the list is long, and it isn't all-inclusive. Kerry's supporters cite his reversals as evidence of the senator's capacity for nuance and complexity, growth and change. His critics say they represent a fundamental lack of principles. "


Welfare Reform~  
Kerry's Original Position: In 1988, Sen. Kerry voted against a proposal to require at least one parent in any two-parent welfare family to work a mere 16 hours a week, declaring the work requirement "troublesome to me."  

Kerry's Revised Position: During his 1996 re-election campaign, when his Republican challenger, Gov. William Weld, was calling him soft on welfare, Kerry voted for the much stricter welfare reform law that Clinton signed into law.  

Mandatory Minimums~  
Kerry's Original Position: In 1993 and 1994, the senator from liberal Massachusetts voted against mandatory minimum sentences for gang activity, gun crimes, drug trafficking, and drug sales to minors, explaining in an impassioned speech that long sentences for some dealers who sell to minors would be "enormous injustices" and that some convicted drug offenders were "so barely culpable it is sad." He also said congressionally imposed mandatory minimums made no sense and would just create turf battles between federal and local prosecutors.  

Kerry's Revised Position: Today, presidential candidate Kerry strongly supports mandatory minimum sentences for federal crimes, including the sale of drugs to minors.  

Affirmative Action~  
Kerry's Original Position: In 1992, Kerry created a huge stir among liberals and civil rights groups with a major policy address arguing that affirmative action has "kept America thinking in racial terms" and helped promote a "culture of dependency."  

Kerry's Revised Position: Today, Kerry's campaign Web site vows to "Preserve Affirmative Action," noting that he "consistently opposed efforts in the Senate to undermine or eliminate affirmative action programs, and supports programs that seeks to enhance diversity." It doesn't mention any downside.  

Death Penalty~
Kerry's Original Position: During one of his debates with Weld in 1996, Kerry ridiculed the idea of capital punishment for terrorists as a "terrorist protection policy," predicting that it would just discourage other nations from extraditing captured terrorists to the United States.
 
Kerry's Revised Position: Kerry still opposes capital punishment, but he now makes an exception for terrorists.
 
Education Reform~  
Kerry's Original Position: In a 1998 policy speech the Boston Globe described as "a dramatic break from Democratic dogma," Kerry challenged teachers unions by proposing to gut their tenure and seniority systems, giving principals far more power to hire and fire unqualified or unmotivated teachers.
 
Kerry's Revised Position: Today, Kerry once again espouses pure Democratic dogma on education. His Web site pledges to "stop blaming and start supporting public school educators," vowing to give them "better training and better pay, with more career opportunities, more empowerment and more mentors." It doesn't mention seniority or tenure.
 
Double Taxation~  
Kerry's Original Position: In December 2002, Kerry broke with Democratic dogma yet again in a Cleveland speech, calling for the abolition of the unfair "double taxation" of stock dividends in order to promote more investment and more accurate valuations of companies.  

Kerry's Revised Position: Five weeks later, after President Bush proposed a second round of tax cuts that included an end to this double taxation, Kerry changed his tune. He voted against the dividend tax cuts that were ultimately enacted by Congress and now hopes to roll them back as president, along with Bush's other tax cuts for upper-income Americans.
 
Gas Taxation~  
Kerry's Original Position: In 1994, when the Concord Coalition gave Kerry a failing rating for his deficit reduction votes, he complained that he should have gotten credit for supporting a 50-cent increase in the gas tax.  

Kerry's Revised Position: Today he no longer supports any increase in the gas tax.  

Social Security~  
Kerry's Original Position: During the 1996 campaign, when I was a Globe reporter, Kerry told me the Social Security system should be overhauled. He said Congress should consider raising the retirement age and means-testing benefits and called it "wacky" that payroll taxes did not apply to income over $62,700. "I know it's all going to be unpopular," he said. "But this program has serious problems, and we have a generational responsibility to fix them."  

Kerry's Revised Position: Kerry no longer wants to mess with Social Security. "John Kerry will never balance the budget on the backs of America's seniors," his Web site promises.
 
Trade~  
Kerry's Original Position: Kerry has been a consistent supporter of free trade deals, and as late as December, when reporters asked if there was any issue on which he was prepared to disagree with Democratic interest groups, Kerry replied: "Trade." Slate editor Jacob Weisberg came away impressed by the depth of Kerry's commitment to the issue: "Unlike Edwards, he supports international trade agreements without qualification."  

Kerry's Revised Position: But that was three months ago! In recent weeks, when Kerry has talked trade, he has talked nothing but qualification, calling for "fair trade" rather than "free trade," claiming to agree completely with the protectionist Edwards on trade issues, and vowing to "put teeth" into environmental and labor restrictions in agreements like NAFTA.  

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096540
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2004, 02:23:40 PM »

Many of these misconceptions are derived 1.) by people that only half listen 2.) by news media that puts out untruths or incomplete information 3.) by government that has a biased politcal agenda against others also in the government.

President Bush based his decision on the Iraq War on

1.) the threat of WMD (John Kerry was of the individuals that
     sat on a board that provided him this information)
2.) the fact that Saddam had time and time again violated
     UN sanctions placed on him that he (Saddam) signed
     and agreed to.
3.) the atrocities that Saddam and his regime continually
     insisted on commiting against his own people.

All three of these were his reasons right from the start. When asked if Saddam was connected to 9/11 President Bush replied that he had no evidence to support that allegation.

All of this was stated even before the war on Iraq.

I do not listen to Fox News , CNN, MSNBC or any of the others. They are all biased. I do watch CSPN because you get the information from the "horses mouth" without a news agency putting their individual interpretations into it.

John Kerry is on the other hand a definite "misconstruer of the truth" right out of his own mouth. He has broken many laws and is so far getting away with it. I am not talking about his Viet Nam service. I know nothing of that. I am talking about his actions since then. Things that I have seen first hand and his service in the Senate which is a government open record of his actions. Kerry says what the public wants to hear then does what he wants.

Another thing to consider is the overall platform and what a Christian should vote for on these subjects. This one is easy...read the Bible.



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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2004, 02:34:32 PM »

Sincereheart once again answers a question by cutting and pasting things that have nothing to do with the subject.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2004, 02:47:17 PM »

Sincereheart once again answers a question by cutting and pasting things that have nothing to do with the subject.

2 out of your 12 posts that mention me by name. Your very 1st post was the other one. I'm flattered.  Tongue

However, if you will take the time to read the quote above the cut and paste, you will see what the post is in reference to. I don't believe there are any really big words!  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2004, 08:11:17 PM »

I am one who thinks that our country's government depends on the public being honestly educated about current political events. Over the past four years the exact opposite has taken place.

Many Americans support attacking Iraq after believing a series of lies from the Bush Administration.

George Bush recieved his information from Russia as well as a few other countries.

The U.N. has been causght in a major money making conspiracy concering relief funds to Iraq.

And Bush had no mroe information that that his own intel, which was left to him by Clinton.

Just though I'd use some truth and educate those around be with out fgalse remarks.

In Christ's name my brothers and sisters,
Caleb
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