sin

[me]

as we all already know the first sin are committed by lucifer on the kingdom of Heaven. Do you think it's possible that someday in the eternity( if we all already been gathered in Heaven) the sin may occur again?

[aw]

No. Salvation in essence means DELIVERANCE. We are delivered from the power of sin now, and in the future we will be delivered even from its very presence.

We will be saved into full conformity to Christ Himself. (Rom 8:29; 1 Peter 1:5; 1 John 3:2)

aw

[His_child]

I do not believe we will be able to sin in Heaven.

[smartinez1984]

Interesting... so does that mean that free will shall have ceased to exist?

Or does that mean that no one will WANT to sin?

Or will sin cease to exist?

Hmm...

God Bless,

-Samson

[His_child]

Good questions.
I don't have the answers.
Maybe when we meet up in Heaven we can discuss it over a good cuppicino.  

[aw]

In paradise, the FREE WILL problem will be forever settled. We will have it b that is why He had to die. However, His owrk in the NEW CREATION is so perfect that when we are brought into true conformity to Christ we will not have any desire whatsoever to sin. It ain't a gona happen ever again.

aw

[me]

same as samson, does it means that in heaven we won't have free will anymore? i mean a long-long time ago in eternity the sin can exist through lucifer (who are perfect, even become GOD's no.1 angel) why it's impossible for sin to occur again? I don't mean to make any controversy. i myself believe that only by GOD's grace we can be saved. i believe by HIS incredible work through HOLY SPIRIT i can be made more perfect day each day, until we all as HIS children will be gathered in Heaven with HIM. i just wanted to know how to give some explanation, if somebody(outside christianity) ask the same question. it's all about apologetics.

[sojourner]

Me,

The theology for the explanation goes like this.

In God's great wisdom, knowing that Adam would fall, allowed Satan to pronounce Death on Adam.  That is physical death. This would separate the body from the soul for eternity.

This is why God had to remove Adam and Eve from the Garden because if they then ate of the Tree of Life, sin and the separation would be eternal.  So death was a blessing for man and his removal from the Garden.

Thus it made it possible for Christ to take on our human nature and defeat Satan by overcoming Death, and making it possible for all men to live eternally. That is body and soul. The resurrection and salvation is for all men. Now, whether you experience this in heaven or hell is up to you.  Physical death ends sin once and for all.  

[me]

thank you sojourner for your explanation. but i don't agree the quote "The resurrection and salvation is for all men" i believe that only chosen people of GOD will get salvation. i know that this things will remain unanswered till we all enter to Heaven. So let's focus our attention not on our disagree but to the things that we all have faith on it, that is we worship Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord. love in Christ.

[His_child]

I am not strong in end times prophecy or the book of Revelation. However, won't satan be destroyed in the end?

[Heidi]

Satan is the ruler of the world. When we die, he will have no power over us. All that will be left is the spirit. In my opinion, that is the difference between heaven on earth and heaven after death. We will no longer have to struggle with sin after death because sin IS worldly attachments!

[sojourner]

Me,

"The resurrection and salvation is for all men" i believe that only chosen people of GOD will get salvation.

You are confusing what Christ accomplished and the response of man.  
Texts for the resurrection: Acts 24:15, I Cor 15:20-22.
Texts for salvation: Rom 5:18, John 12:32, Col 1:20, II Cor 5:19

[Heidi]

What Jesus meant in John, 12:32, is that He will not appear to the Jews exclusively but to all men regardless of their race, ethnic background, etc. He also said that "Few will enter the kingdom of heaven", and "No one can come to me unless my Father draws him." He also says in John, 17:6, "I have revealed myself to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours: you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word." He also says in John, 17: 9, I am not praying for the world but for those you have given me for they are yours."  He also says in John 14: 23, after Judas (not judas iscariot) asked Him; "But Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?" Jesus replied; "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him." I believe Him. He also says in Matthew, 13, "This is why I speak to them in parables; 'Though seeing they do not see, though hearing, they do not understand." There are many other verses throughout the gospel that clearly state that not all will be saved. You can't just take one phrase without knowing ALL of His words. Otherwise, you will only hear what itching ears want to hear. Jesus does NOT contradict Himself! John 12:32, simply means that salvation will affect people in ALL races, not just the Jews.

[Gracey]

The resurrection and salvation is for all men" i believe that only chosen people of GOD will get salvation.

Just to throw my 2 cents worth in, I believe that salvation is available to all men; from acceptance of Christ and repentance of sin. Christ quite often uses "all" and "the world"....

Joh 12:32  And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself.
Joh 12:33  But He said this, signifying what kind of death He was about to die.

All men simply means "all" men, not all nations.

Later in John appears this:

Joh 12:44  But Jesus cried out and said, He who believes on Me does not believe on Me but on Him who sent Me.
Joh 12:45  And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.
Joh 12:46  I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes on Me should not remain in darkness.
Joh 12:47  And if any one hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him, for I do not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Proclaiming the fact that he comes to save the world...not just men of different nations.

Could I ask, whom do you believe to be "the chosen"? (if it's posted somewhere I think I missed it - not unusual for me).

I am not strong in end times prophecy or the book of Revelation. However, won't satan be destroyed in the end?

Yes, according to revelation. Interesting book, that Revelation. Could study it for years and still miss stuff. I peeked at the ending, though....loved it!  

In Revelation it also uses the term "nations", but one must understand that Revelation is a book of what is (at the time of it's writing); and what is to come (prophecy). Revelation is written in both "symbolic" and "literal" terms, and one must spend a lot of time with it (I haven't spent nearly enough) to understand it.

Rev 21:24  And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 21:25  And its gates may not be shut at all by day, for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26  And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.


Gracey

[Sower]

Interesting... so does that mean that free will shall have ceased to exist?

Or does that mean that no one will WANT to sin?

Or will sin cease to exist?

Hmm...

God Bless,

-Samson

All of the above. To be "conformed to the image of His Son" means to have our wills perfectly conformed to God's will, just as Jesus of Nazareth's will was always, and in all things, to do the will of God, not under compulson but because of His infinite love for God the Father. So "free will" will become "God's will" because man was originally created to be in "the image and likeness of God" and will love God perfectly (which will be the perfect fulfillment of the greatest commandment).