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16  Entertainment / Music / Re:"Old School" Christian Music? on: March 16, 2004, 11:24:16 PM
I love Petra, but the older stuff (It Is Finished). thats what i listened to as a kid. my hub likes the newer stuff, because he is a newer fan. I was just thinking last saturday that i wished i could find some Keith Green or 2nd Chapter of Acts (Hear The Bells Ringing...)on tape or CD. I would also love to have some Michael Card. I really miss the old school stuff, tho i bet Petra wouldn't be too hard to get ahold of. My hub also likes the Band that the old lead singer of Kansas formed, can't remember the group name.
17  Entertainment / Music / Re:What type of music do you listen to? on: March 16, 2004, 11:16:55 PM
I used to listen to Praise music and secular music (i pretty much like it all except for most country and blue grass). Right now i am really enjoying Christian contemporary praise music, especially  Phillips, Craig and Dean. After hearing their music on our local Christain station, we bought a CD saturday. its an old one, put out in 2001, called Let My Words Be Few. I love it so much, i listened to it 6 times in one day.
My 3 yr old sings along with Let Everything That Has Breath, The Heart of Worship, and Open The Eyes of My Heart, and she raised her hands while she sang, like mommy. I know she is mimicing, and i told her that it means that we really love Jesus when we do it. But I KNOW that the angels rejoiced, and the Trinity were beaming! Grin
18  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Jest for laughs on: March 16, 2004, 10:54:48 PM
 That was so... sad for Wally! Grin

Here s something my hub got a chuckle out of, i saw this at another forum:
HUSBANDS QUOTES ON MARRIAGE

1. I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her.

2. Marriage is a 3-ring circus: Engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffering.

3. The last fight was my fault. My wife asked, "What's on the TV?" I said, "Dust!"

4. In the beginning, God created earth and rested. Then God created man and rested. Then God created woman. Since then, neither God nor man has rested.

5. Why do men die before their wives? They want to.

6. A little boy asked his father, "Daddy, how much does it cost to get married?" And the father replied, "I don't know son, I'm still paying!"

7. Do you know the punishment for bigamy? Two mothers-in-law.

8. Young Son: "Is it true, Dad? I heard that in some parts of Africa a man doesn't know his wife until he marries her." Dad: "That happens in every country, son!"

9. A man inserted an ad in the classifieds: WIFE WANTED. Next day he received a hundred letters. They all said the same thing: YOU CAN HAVE MINE.

10. The most effective way to remember your wife's birthday is to forget it once.

11. First guy (proudly): "My wife's an angel!" Second guy: "You're lucky, mine's still alive."

12. How do most men define marriage? An expensive way to get laundry done for free.

13. Just think, if it weren't for marriage, men would go through life thinking they had no faults at all.

14. If you want your wife to listen and pay undivided attention to every word you say, talk in your sleep.

15. Then there was a man who said; "I never knew what real happiness was until I got married; and then it was too late."

16. I married Miss Right. I just didn't know her first name was "Always."
19  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Women Strike Back! on: March 16, 2004, 05:27:29 PM

Grin i love that one!
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What is the similarity between a dolphin and a man?
They are both said to be intelligent, but no one can prove this.
If we had a "spitdrink" emote here at CU, i would have surely used it! Grin that was pretty good.

20  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:If you had a million dollars... on: March 16, 2004, 04:39:14 PM
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I would buy a 3 Musketeer's candy bar.
Grin That's a mighty big candy bar! are you going to share?

I think i would pay off my house, fix it's problems(bathroom, roof, windows), finish the attic since my mom-in-law is coming to live with us. then i would put a big chunk in a education fund for my daughter, some for my neices and nephews, put some aside for retirement), then give the rest for charity. I hope there would be some left to give to charity after that, LOL!

i would like to give to abused kids, kids with terminal illnesses, battered women, and Christian out reach.
21  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 16, 2004, 04:32:56 PM
I think what is really sad is that this movie is causing a rift , a separation to the body of Christ. If this little post here is any inclination of what is just brewing... well, i guess we all have a lot of praying to do. Sad
22  Fellowship / Just For Women / Re:What is "Gossip"? on: March 16, 2004, 02:47:48 PM
Chocolate Grin


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Our Vocabulary does matter. An often overlooked area of speech is the use of thoughtless expressions and minced oaths. Without using outright profanity, some Christians use words like "gee," "darn," and "gosh" without thinking of what they might be saying. Studies of the origins of words have demonstrated that these are senseless substitutions for "Jesus," "damn," and "God." Other seemingly innocent words with unknown origins are unwittingly used in the personal vocabulary of many Christians today. All believers would do well to evaluate the words they use in expressing themselves. A Christian’s speech should reflect God’s grace and give subtle testimony to the fact God is alive and at work in the life of the believer.
WOW! man, am i guilty olf those. i had thought that these may be substitutions. I really need to think about what i say before i open my mouth.  Lips Sealed
23  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 16, 2004, 02:37:17 PM
Thanks Psalm 119 Smiley As i just told my hub on the phone, God has impressed upon me to tell people the truth about this movie (that it is not biblical, and "added to"), but not to tell them they can't or shouldn't see it. that, they have to decide for themselves. i am only responsible for telling them the truth, not to make their minds up for them.

I told my older brother this yesterday, his response was , " even the 10 Commandments is all biblically correct." i told him that i agreed with him, that this was true. I also told him that i felt that he needed to know that Jesus is misquoted, and that a lot of the movie is based on mysticism. My bro converted, became a catholic for his first marriage, i think he may have gotten upset with me.  Sad Well, i obeyed and did what i was supposed to do. i guess that is what matters, that i be obedient.

I hope and pray that i am strong enough, through His word and love, to do what He asks of me now and every day despite what may come. Grin
24  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 16, 2004, 12:36:21 PM
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2) Many are saying "God can use a donkey" to fullfill His purposes. This statement could be true. But would he use "Porn stars" to create a movie about His Son? (these are current porn stars....not "ex" porn stars)
Cry I know, this is very disturbing and so sad.

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My greatest concern is that the blind (the pastors) are leading the blind.Will they both fall into a ditch?There are a few voices in the wilderness that are speaking out against the deception in this movie. And those who do speak out are considered "anti-Christs"
That is why i sent that email to my pastor, i am hoping to talk to him about it this sunday. if i dont get answers , i will probably have to find a new church.

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

"And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's  word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD  of hosts our God." (Jer 23:36

I cannot see how this movie is considered biblical, it has the image of Jesus saying things that were never said. It clearly states in the scriptures listed above that adding to the word of God is a serious offense in the eyes of the Lord. This movie may be historical in its facts about crucifiction and scouraging, but it is not biblical for the most part. we cant accept what we like about the bible and disregard the rest. i cringe to think that the sin of "adding to and taking away" is being disguised as "artistic license". it doesnt say that we may add to and take away from the word, except if we are feeling a little artistic today. The bible needs no "backing up".

John 1.14. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth."

Jesus IS the word, why would it need back up. it doesnt say in the bible that we should live by "this" book and "that", or the bible and all these other books and visions. Nor does it say that anytime in the future it can be added to, by a man's word, thoughts. It says that we should live by the word of God alone.

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private  interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of  God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Pet 1:20-21)

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye  received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word  of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that  believe." (1 Th 2:13)

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy  lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy  name." (Psa 138:2)

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the  word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1 Pet 1:23)

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is  called The Word of God." (Rev 19:13)

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with  manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know  that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the  mouth of the LORD doth man live." (Deu 8:3)

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall  not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.  " (Mat 4:4)

"In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise  his word." (Psa 56:10)

"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD  is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him."  (2 Sam 22:31)

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy  righteous judgments endureth for ever." (Psa 119:160)

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." (John 17:17)

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is  the word of God:" (Eph 6:17)

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any  twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints  and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."  (Heb 4:12)

Making the word of God of none effect through  your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."  (Mark 7:13)

"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of  sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ." (2 Cor 2:17)

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in  craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth  commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." (2 Cor 4:2)

###Another positive thing i have gotten out of the movie is that i have a ravenous hunger for the word now. Grin ###
25  Fellowship / Just For Women / Re:What is "Gossip"? on: March 15, 2004, 08:34:25 PM
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With  a few hundred words Sincereheart closed allthe christian chats i have ever been to 

Love to some is a sweet kind word ...

Love to this one is a 2by4
Cheesy That was too cute! I totally relate tho. gossiping is a major downfall of mine.

Thanks sincereheart!
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That's what breaks my heart! In real life, I've been seeing so many wounded by 'gossip' disguised as 'truth', prayer requests, etc
Yup, I know people that do that. i had an argument with my mother about this recently. turns out she has been telling everyone she knows my personal business. We need to pray and not say! Tho, as i said, i have been guilty of gossip myself. Sad
26  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 15, 2004, 06:11:41 PM
First of all, i am not nit picking, i am stating my opinion, just as you have been able to voice yours. Smiley This is a forum, the idea of a forum is to have people discuss things (i would hope intelligently, and respectfully). These are my opinions, i am not trying to convert anyone to "my side". This is how I felt when i watched the movie, my personal feelings. i would hope that my feeling are just as valid as anyone esle in this forum. just because i dont agree doesn't mean my opinion or feeling matter any less, does it? anyway, i did actually go see the movie before replying in this topic. i didn't go in expecting not to like the movie. as a matter of fact i hadn't read anything about the movie before seeing it because i wanted to go in unbiased. i wanted to see with my own eyes, and hear with my own heart. i don't know if you read my whole post, but i did list some positive aspects of the movie, again my opinion, my personal feelings and thoughts.


I understand that Mary is the mother of Jesus, and that she is an important and crucial part of Jesus coming to be. but i tho i was baptized Catholic, i do not believe that Mary should be prayed to, there is no scripture to back that. even tho i believe she is Jesus' mother, i don't believe it was God's intention that we worship her.

you said :Now, as for your comment on Jesus in the Garden... read that part of the Gospels, and get back to me. He asked God, if there was any other way, to not make him go thru with what he did.


Yes , Tibby, he did ask God to take the cup from him. it says he was wracked with sorrow, not fear. IMO the movie made it appear as tho He were terrified.


Mat 26:36
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.

Mat 26:37
And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.

Mat 26:38
Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Mat 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].

Mat 26:40
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mat 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.

Mat 26:42
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Mat 26:43
And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.

Mat 26:44
And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.


Luke 12
4   And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5   But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
6   Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7   But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Jesus is perfect,how could he have fear?


Thanks for listening to my thoughts. again, i hope you were able to see the positives i felt about the movie in my previous post. i did gain from seeing the passion. I just didn't like the whole package.

Hugs in Christ, Mary


Edit: to say that my mother was raised Catholic, and my Aunt is still a devout Catholic. When we get together, we don't point the finger, " Arrogant Protestant!"  or " Idolitrous Catholic!" we are who we are. we don't always agree with each other, and have our own opinions, but we try not to purposely hurt each other. We all love Jesus, and that is what matters.
27  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 15, 2004, 02:41:46 PM
Hi everyone! i wanted to add my 2 cents to the discussion. i saw the movie this last saturday. even though i am glad i saw the movie, because the Lord spoke to my heart as i watched, i was left feeling very uncomfortable about a lot of the content. I was really uncomfortable  with the demonic aspects of the movie: the demon Judas saw as he was sitting under the bridge, and the children turning into demons and torturing him, the demon baby satan held, and the portrayal of satan in general as a horror movie figure. i thought that those parts were unnecessary. I also didn't like how  a lot of the movie was dark, having an almost "horror  movie" quality to it, linked with the things i said above.

i also felt that the bible was added to and taken away from. but this movie is not the only one that i have felt this about, the movie The Ten Commandments has biblical inacurracies also. i was also very uncomfortable with Mary being called mother by the disciples, and the fact that Jesus is misquoted several times, or said things that are not biblical at all.

Ok, now, before i get any tongue lashings Wink, here are some positive things i have to say about the movie:

God uses everything to His glory, many people will become saved because of this movie, and many will renew their faith.

I am very glad that The Passion has it bright moments, that we saw an "example" of Jesus preaching to the masses about love, with love.

I am so happy that the movie ended with a positive note, His resurrection! At the end of the movie i had a HUGE grin on my face, after all Jesus is alive, and we will serve Him now and in eternity! I wanted to jump up and shout, i was so happy! (and no, it didnt bother me seeing part of the body of Christ at the end as he walked from the tomb. He is and was pure. I choose not to besmirch that. my happiness outshone any negative thought that the enemy might try to give me at that point.)

Right now, in my life, i am experiencing great turmoil. My mother and i are having great difficulties, and i am struggling with judgement, unforgiveness, and anger. The Lord has told me that i have to forgive her, despite the fact that she decided to basically disown my brothers and i only a week and a half after i had a miscarriage (which was almost 3 weeks ago), for self centered and ridiculous reasons.
As i watched Judas waiting for his payment for the betrayl Of Jesus, the Lord spoke this to my heart, "What will be your thirty pieces of silver today?" I truly felt in my heart that the Lord was asking me how i was going to betray Him that day, and every day. Would i willingly, intentionally betray my Saviour today with anger? Judgement? Self righteousness? Unforgiveness?


I guess what i am saying is though i felt uncomfortable with some of the movie, i am hoping and praying that despite the inaccuracies, that people will come to understand the underlying message of this movie. Love.
and i pray that people will be saved and renewed by this message.

I know that if someone says to me that they are going to see the movie, i am responsible to tell them what i know and have read about the Passion, and let them decide for themselves.

On that note, i will enclose the email i wrote to my pastor, and plan on following up on.

Hugs in Christ, Mary

Dear Pastor Jim,

  As I read the info and scripture that backs up the
opinions of these articles, I am concerned with the
content of this movie. Though I am appreciative of the
meaning of this movie, and its underlying message, I
am increasingly uneasy about how un-scriptural,
therefore unfactual this movie is.  I am also
concerned with how much of this movie was based on
Catholic mysticism, adding to and taking away from the
bible.
I will let you read the articles and the scripture
inclosed with these articles so you can decide for
yourself, though I know you are a man of God, and that
these points have already occured to you.

This email is meant in love and concern for all
Christains, and especially non-believers that do not
know the bible. Even I do not know the bible as well
as I should, but as I read these articles, I became
very worried about all the Catholic content included
in this movie : Mary being referred to as "Mother",
Mary appearing much stronger than the Son of God
throughout most of the movie, and the constant
referance made in the movie that Jesus seemed to gain
strenght from Gazing at Mary at moments of weakness.
Also the depiction of Jesus being afraid in the garden
at the very beginning of the movie. What fear could
our Saviour possibly know, since he was without sin?
Many  more concerns that i have are inclosed in these
articles, written by Christains.

Pastor, i am very concerned that Christian leaders
everywhere are endorsing this movie, but none have
spoken on the fact that this movie is not scripturally
sound. This is bothering me quite a bit. i am going to
dig into the word for answers. I am happy that many
will come to Christ because of this movie (i hope),
and i am happy that this movie will help many renew
their faith. Yet i am very concerned about the extra
content included in the film.

I am anxious to hear what you think about all of this,
and i am in no way trying to stir up trouble, or
trying to spit on the cross. There are Christians
everywhere that were left unsatisfied, angry, and
deeply concerned by this movie because of these very
things.

Thank you for your time,
sincere members of your flock,
John and Mary
28  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:SADDAM CAUGHT! on: December 14, 2003, 11:49:11 PM
Yup, i was thinking that today. i hope that someone where he is can tell him the Truth. he will be in solitary confinement i am sure, so it would have to be a guard/soldier where ever he ends up. My mom has been saying we need to pray for him for a long time, but people don't want to hear it. We also need to pray that those who gaurd him not be swayed by power or greed, that they don't think about leaking vital info about him that could cause an escape attempt, ect. that is what concerns me also, given that the US forces have soldiers becoming muslims with out the government even knowing it, (like the marine who threw a grenade at his own troops). But you are right, he needs a lot of prayer so that he doesn't have to go to hell for eternity.
29  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:SADDAM CAUGHT! on: December 14, 2003, 01:37:22 PM
My hub and i served in the US Navy, we both went to Desert Storm in 1990. i can't tell you how overjoyed i was to hear this this morning, i started to cry! This is the best Christmas present ever for us. Especially since my older bro is over there, and is not sure if he will be home for the birth of his first child (in beginning of March). My husband's uncle is also over there too. So it will be nice to have them home, hopefully soon.  
30  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Church Leaves Man to Die on: December 11, 2003, 11:58:29 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/833364.html This one had a little more info
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