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91  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 19, 2003, 04:27:04 AM
RAPHU posted this scripture
Romans 14:5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

John the Baptist(or anyone)All these scriptures the sunday go to meetin guys send to explain away Gods sabbath, ive found scriptures to prove their points not true except the above. By no means do i believe this scripture to say the 4th commandment of God has been done away with. If God had done that HE would of course come right out and say it in the scriptures. I have found scriptures speaking of eating and drinking things on specific holy days, but i believe we are to still keep Gods holy days.They were givin by ordinance. And the new testament is clear that it was the law contained in these ordinances that Jesus fulfilled. Anyways, has anyone found scripture that would explain the scripture Raphu sent?


God's law is NEVER done away with - not one jot or tittle. It is, however, complete and fulfilled IN CHRIST. Did He not say, "I will give you rest"? Did He not say, "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."

Col. 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Philippians 3:8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Philippians 3:9 ¶ And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Romans goes on in 14 to say: "17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

Can we lift up our righteousness to God and say, "look at my righteousness", or lift up someones else and say "look at the sins of this man"? No, it is wrong and the same thing the Pharisee did to the sinner in scripture. We are free from that through the once and for all righteousness we have in Christ's final work on the cross. He said, "it is finished", and the complete work of righteousness was done in Him so I can no longer boast in anything I do but only the cross and what He did for me.

The law is never done away with, but established forever in Him, and He is love.

1Jo 4:16  And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Lu 16:17  And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Ro 3:31  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Ro 13:10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.




92  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / The Dragon (satan) on: July 19, 2003, 03:57:19 AM
Allah commands Muslims to fight against Christians and Jews until they are reduced to a condition worse than that of slaves.

Sura 9:29 Fight those who believe not in God (Allah) and his apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of the truth [even if they are] of the people of the book [i.e. Jews and Christians], until they pay jizya [humiliating tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [enslaved].

A being who is determined to wipe out Jews and Christians, now who might that be? The Bible has the answer:

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon (satan) was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (the Jews today), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the Christians).

"The Sword", says Mohammad, "is the key of heaven and hell; a drop of blood shed in the cause of Allah, a night spent in arms, is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer; whoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment his limb will be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim."

93  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:2nd Coming: January 2011 on: July 06, 2003, 08:26:07 PM
I believe that the 70th week  ended with New Israel's nationhood in 1948, and mid-week was 685AD-705AD. 536BC would be the decree of Cyrus to return to the land.

Daniel 9:27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Some believe a generation to be 40 years, but that would already be wrong. Threescore and ten - 70 years would be the nuber I would lean towards.

That was an interesting web-site. I will see if it makes any significant differences in the calculations I gave. Mine are not meant to be accurate to day - only to the approximate year.
94  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:2nd Coming: January 2011 on: July 06, 2003, 12:03:01 PM
I have to respectfully disagree with your calculations. The three and 1/2 period would better be expressed as 2 1/2 and here's why:

The times, times, and 1/2 times should be 2 1/2 instead of 3 1/2. 2 Pet. 3:8 gives us a clue to this:

2Pet.3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The day is translated 4 times in the KJV and 12 times in the NASB as "time", and the correct translation is time "one time is with the Lord as a thousand years".

So then 2 1/2 would equal 2500 years.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

552BC is the 1st year of Belshazzar when the Lord gave this prophecy to Daniel, and 552BC plus 2500 years = 1948AD

1948 is the year that Israel became a nation. Now this gets better, because the Lord gave Daniel another vision using the time, times, and half, but it was the third year of Cyrus - Daniel 10:1

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

533BC + 2500 years = 1967AD, or the first time that the Jews had control of Jerusalem in 2,573 years, right after the Six Day War.

The misinterpretation of the 70th week of Daniel has led to this 3 1/2 + 3 1/2 year belief, when time is one, times is one more, and half time is half - 2 1/2.

This idiomatic style is a trait of Hebrew and shown in other scriptures. Examples:
Job 40:5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no furhter.
Psa. 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth to God.

In Daniel we see the same idiomatic style. The words are different , but the form the same. Once is one, and twice is only one more, for a total of two: 1+1=2. That's just one of the many Hebrew idioms in the Old Testament.

The time of the Gentiles ended when Jerusalem went into the hands of the Jews in 1967AD. This date, 1948AD, and 688AD are significant - 688AD being the date that the Dome of the Rock was built to cease the worship of the Jews, called the Abomination of desolation - a thing, not a person. All things are in place, but just for a few things that could happen very rapidly in this increasingly Global world economy. The two witnesses are the only two that have ever worshipped the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - the Jews (Judah) and the Church (Ephraim). Who is standing in Jerusalem now, against the world, as witness? Yes, there may be two individuals that step forward, but the way the news is transmitted today - in an instant - this could be symbolic of the terrorist attacks and deaths taking place on our television screens even now. You see how the TV stations rerun the footage of the carnage and death of the victims for up to three days? I believe we are witnessing the last days - NOW.


95  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:2nd Coming: January 2011 on: July 06, 2003, 01:07:20 AM
Hello two bombs
I didn't catch your calculations, but when did the 70th begin. 1967AD was the first time that Jerusalem has been under any other control other than Gentile in 2,573 years. I'd say that that is the end time of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Romans 11:25-26 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery - so that you will not be wise in your own estimation - a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in: and thus all Israel will be saved....

The two witnesses have been around for a long time as the Church and the Jews.
Revelations 11: 3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

1260 days back from 1948AD = 688AD - the year that the abomination of desolation was built - the Dome of the Rock, that cut off free worship in Jerusalem and was supposed to cover the Holy of Holies, although it actually covers the court of the Gentiles which fulfilles another scripture:

Rev.2  But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

42 months = 1278.34 days. 1967AD - 1278.34 days = 688.66AD

What is it you believe will happen in 2004?  

Daniel 12:12  Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The Jewish year is 360 days instead of 365, so 1335 x .9857 = 1316
688 AD + 1316 yrs = 2004 AD (approximately) Hmmm.....

1 Thess. 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

96  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 06, 2003, 12:41:50 AM
Romans 14:5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
97  Theology / General Theology / Re:Faith and works coincide on: June 28, 2003, 10:21:11 PM
EPHESIANS 2:10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Matthew 5:16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

ACTS 26:19 I preached first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and through Judea, and also to the Gentiles that all must forsake their sins and turn to God and prove their repentence by doing good deeds

II TlMOTHY 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, SO THAT the man of Good may be thoroughly equipped for every GOOD WORK.

I JOHN 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children let us not love in words or tongue but with ACTIONS and truth.

I JOHN 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to LOVE one another as he commanded us.

MATT. 25:31-45 When the Son of Man comes in his glory....He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.....Then he will say to those on his left,'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil & his angels. FOR I WAS HUNGRY & YOU GAVE ME NOTHING TO EAT, I WAS THIRSTY & YOU GAVE ME NOTHING TO DRINK, I WAS A STRANGER & YOU DID NOT INVITE ME IN, I NEEDED CLOTHES AND YOU DID NOT CLOTHE ME, I WAS SICK AND IN PRISON, AND YOU DID-- NOT LOOK AFTER ME.". "Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

I JOHN 2:3-6 We know that we have come to KNOW him if we OBEY his commands. The man who SAYS "I know God", but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: WHOEVER CLAIMS TO LIVE IN HIM MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.

I JOHN 3:24 Those who OBEY his commands live in him, and he in them.

I JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, to OBEY his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.

ACTS 5:32   We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God gives to those who OBEY him.

HEBREWS 5:9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who OBEY Him the source of salvation.

I PETER 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

II THESSALONIANS 1:8 He will punish those who do not KNOW God and Do not OBEY the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power .......

JOHN 14:23 Jesus replied, " If anyone loves me, he will OBEY my teaching.
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
98  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: June 23, 2003, 11:22:37 AM
Matt 24:20 was also fulfilled at the destruction of Jer. In 70 A.D. so it is possible that this part is only applicable to that partial fulfillment. Also, here is from John Gill's commentary:
 
neither on the sabbath day: the word "day" is not in the Greek text; and some {i} have been of opinion, that the "sabbatical year", or the seventh year, is meant, when no fruits would be found in the fields, and a great scarcity of provisions among people; who would not have a sufficiency, and much less any to spare to strangers fleeing from their native places; but rather the sabbath day, or "day of the sabbath", as the Persic version reads it, is designed; and Beza says, four of his copies read it in the genitive case: and so four of Stephens's. And the reason why our Lord put them on praying, that their flight might not be on the sabbath day, was, because he knew not only that the Jews, who believed not in him, would not suffer them to travel on a sabbath day more than two thousand cubits; which, according to their traditions {k}, was a sabbath day's journey; and which would not be sufficient for their flight to put them out of danger; but also, that those that did believe in him, particularly the Jerusalem Jews, would be all of them fond of the law of Moses, and scrupulous of violating any part of it, and especially that of the sabbath; see Ac 21:20. And though the Jews did allow, that the sabbath might be violated where life was in danger, and that it was lawful to defend themselves against an enemy on the sabbath day; yet this did not universally obtain; and it was made a question of, after the time of Christ, whether it was lawful to flee from danger on the sabbath day;

99  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: June 22, 2003, 05:12:46 PM

In Christ we have a better covenant. Hebrews compares the old covenant and the better covenant and what we have through Christ and His fulfillment of the law. The comparison in chapter four is between old and new which is the case throughout Hebrews in showing us what we have in Christ.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Go back and read Heb. 4:10 again and see that the comparison is made of the rest we enter into in Christ and through he better covenant to the old rest that God took from His works. The work is finished in Him so the verses in Col.2:16, Paul wrote, were given to those that kept on requiring works of the old law, including circumcision and observing the sabbath day. What do you think these verses mean? Our labor, now is to have faith in the work He did for us.

Heb. 4:11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

He is our rest and we are also hidden in Him (Col. 3:3,4). He is the Lord of the Sabbath because He is our sabbath rest. Sabbath means rest and the rest we have in Him and His work through the cross is what we are to boast of - not our vain works of obedience to a day which are like filthy rags compared to His work and sacrifice on the cross. Why go back and believe that our works would be superior to the work of God through His Son's final and once for all work at the cross. To believe Him and honor Him with our faith - that He did accomplish this work, is more precious to Him than gold, whereas those that seek to honor Him with the law must perform all of it to not be guilty breaking it all.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Heb 4:7 - Again he limiteth a certain day,.... Since the seventh day of the creation was a day of rest which God entered into, and not man; and since the land of Canaan was a typical rest, which the unbelieving Israelites did not enter into, because of unbelief; and yet there must be persons, and there must be a time for them to enter into the true rest which God has left a promise of; therefore he has limited, fixed, and appointed a certain day, the Gospel dispensation, for believers to enter into it:

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

My Bible is KJV and has Joshua in 4:8 as the comparison and 4:7 has the saying of David in Ps. 95 about the not hardening of heart.
Heb 4:4-7 -

He spake in a certain place. In Gen_2:2. There it is stated that "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." The Sabbath rest was therefore established long before Israel was denied entrance into the rest. Hence it is not the rest.

In this place again. In Psa_95:11, which declares that Israel should not enter into God's rest. Though Israel had kept the rest of the Sabbath, they had not entered into God's rest, as this language shows. The rest of the Sabbath is not then the promised rest, nor is Canaan below, from which nearly all Israel was once excluded, because David exhorts the people, though in Canaan, to enter into the rest.

Seeing . . . that some must enter. Since God has a rest for his people, and it is not made in vain, there must be some who enter therein. Those to whom it was first offered entered not because of their unbelief. Hence it remaineth to all who, like Joshua and Caleb, have faith.

Again he limiteth a certain day. The thought is that there is a day of opportunity. If that day is passed by, the opportunity is gone. The word of the Lord is, To-day if, etc.

Heb 4:8-11 -

For if Jesus. "Joshua" in the Revision. Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew word Joshua. Joshua led Israel over the Jordan into Canaan, but that did not give them complete rest. If that had been true, David would not have exhorted them to seek to enter into rest. Five hundred years after they entered Canaan this exhortation is given in the 95th Psalm.

There remaineth therefore a rest. Since God has a rest for his people, and neither the Sabbath nor Canaan is the rest, these being only types of that rest, a rest remaineth to the people of God.

For he that is entered into his rest. When God rested on the Sabbath, the type of the true rest, his works ceased. So when our rest comes, weary toil, trials and sufferings will be over.

Let us labor therefore. Since this glorious rest, the heavenly rest, remains for faithful believers, we should seek to enter upon it, and especially take heed that we do not come short through unbelieving disobedience as did Israel.

Our rest is in Jesus. Let us not fall short through unbelief and lack of faith.


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest

1. Gr. katapausis, equivalent to the Hebrew word _noah_ #Heb 4:1
2. Gr. anapausis, "rest from weariness" #Mt 11:28
3. Gr. anesis, "relaxation" #2Th 1:7
4. Gr. sabbatismos, a Sabbath rest, a rest from all work #Heb 4:9 R.V., "sabbath"), a rest like that of God when he had finished the work of creation.

A matter of translation, probably, but similar and the same word.

Every commentary I can dig up agrees that Heb.4:8 refers to Joshua and not Jesus Christ as the one who could not lead Israel into rest.

Paul did have to chastise the early church for going back into the bondage of the law on many occasions. The letter to the Galatians is but one.

Faith is vital to our walk, and that, in Him our Lord Jesus, to whom every knee shall bow and tongue confess to the glory of the Father. He is our rest and the Lord of the sabbath - our Sabbath by faith.

Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2Pet. 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us ALL things that pertain unto life and godliness
, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Col.2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

100  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: June 22, 2003, 04:24:18 PM
John here: Also Raphe,
in Matt 24 Christ tell's His one's, to PRAY that their flight be neither in the winter [OR] on the Sabbath day! Wow!! around 70 years into the future? (Check any commentary for that 70AD flight) They call it the destruction of Jerusalem.

A couple problems arise with the Master's Words here pertaining to your theology! Who shall we believe Raphe?? Surely anyone can 'see' that Christ understood that HIS SAINTS were to still be keeping the 7th day Sabbath long after He went back into heaven itself!

Then another failure of your theology Raphe comes to view? All of the way up to 70AD we see that the Holy Ghost which [Christ stated] was given to INSTRUCT & BRING UNTO OUR REMEMBRANCE, [NEVER] did so with the apostles or Christ's prophecy?!!

Personally, I for one would retract my 'posting'  & head on a retreat, then join the 'narrow path' ones of Matt. 7.

And by the way, these Sabbath keeping ones are seen again in Rev. 12:17 'KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD *AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS' just before they enter their land of Caanan!! Smiley Smiley [ALL OF THEM! Jms. 2:8-12]

This one scripture, Mat.24:20, does not deter me from believing that our rest is in Christ and Him alone as opposed to a 24hr. day. Actually, doesn't it sounds strange that winter or the Sabbath day would make any difference in a flight situation? It would not, but those that were staying inside a building might miss something that had to be seen to be realized. There is something happening outside that has to be seen outside in order for one to recognize and run to safety or salvation. As the Lord saved the thief on the cross, perhaps there will be some saved or just one at those last moments of time, just by their presense of mind to see that truth and accept it in a moment of time.
101  Theology / General Theology / Re:The Kingdom of Jesus Christ on: June 22, 2003, 08:43:33 AM
Luke 17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, and is truly not of this world in the sense that flesh and blood will not enter into it (John3:3). Those not born spiritually remain dead and in their flesh (1Cor:15:50).
The same as we are born into this world, we must be born into God's kingdom - John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Man was supposed to be triune in being, but with the fall, was dead spiritually and born without spirit.
With the rebirth or new birth, man is restored to having a spirit. Sin still dwells in the flesh, as Paul attests to in Romans 7:17 - "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.", but it is not him but the sin that dwells in the flesh. That which is of the spirit does not sin and cannot. 1 John3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
102  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: June 22, 2003, 08:05:45 AM
Our rest is no longer in a day, but in Jesus Christ. We rest from our labors in Him. His work accomplished our rest, which is what sabbath means. Our labor is to have faith in that which God has provided with the better covenant:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Even the torah that cannot be observed or should no longer be observed (like blood sacrifice) is still a teaching. It is a shadow of Christ. It is the spirit of the torah or instruction that is important. You could obey the "letter" of a law and still not obey the "spirit" of the law. That is why Christ summed up the whole law with love God and love your neighbor. Now that we have the Spirit inside to direct, He will lead us in the correct spirit of the law.  That is why it always seemed like Christ was breaking the torah. He was just teaching them what it really meant to follow the torah in spirit. The Pharisees just kept adding more "rules" to follow, not understanding that they hindered the spirit of the law rather than aiding it. You cannot difine the spirit of something with rigid rules, for there will always be exceptions or a new set of circumstances that are not covered. If you try to live by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will be continually adding new rules to cover every situation, with no flexibility.....but if you live by the tree of life (Christ within you) ...you will know what is right no matter what the circumstances, for you will be living by the spirit of the torah, by the example of teachings that show you about the spirit and heart of God. For example Shabbat.....the torah says to rest and honor God on Shabbat. Christ showed that there were times when honoring God by saving a lost sheep or feeding those who were hungry was infact following the spirit of Shabbot.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be ANY other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

John 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mt 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

Rest in a day was meant to be of the temporal. The eternal salvation was achieved only through Jesus Christ, and our rest is in the eternal - not the temporal. Christ is eternal - hallelujah! The day was a shadow and only temporary. Our new life is in Christ and eternal.

Matthew 15:1 Some Pharisees and teachers of religious law now arrived from Jerusalem to interview Jesus. 2 "Why do your disciples disobey our age-old traditions?" they demanded. "They ignore our tradition of ceremonial hand washing before they eat." 3 Jesus replied, "And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God says, `Honor your father and mother,' and `Anyone who speaks evil of father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say, `You don't need to honor your parents by caring for their needs if you give the money to God instead.' 6 And so, by your own tradition, you nullify the direct commandment of God. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was prophesying about you when he said, 8 `These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far away.
9 Their worship is a farce, for they replace God's commands with their own man-made teachings.'"

103  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: June 14, 2003, 01:46:56 PM
Moses said of the double portion, "Yahveh has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days" (Exodus 16:29, NIV). The children of Israel, having a double portion rested on the Sabbath. And we are encouraged that "there remains.... a Sabbath rest for the people of God" (Hebrews 4:9)

This promise is fulfilled in that, those who receive the Messiah have "the bread of life" in this life (the sixth day), and through Him, they have life in the world to come. Thus they rest in Messiah's Sabbath, and are heirs of the double portion.
104  Theology / General Theology / Re:Foreknowledge or Determinate Counsel of God Acts 2:23 on: June 13, 2003, 12:57:23 AM
His ways are higher than ours and much knowledge is privy only to the mind of God, I would suppose, as we are caught in a linear type of thinking; His not being bound by time. The thoughts of eternity must be higher than ours as we look through this glass darkly.
105  Theology / General Theology / Re:Noah and Total Depravity on: June 13, 2003, 12:51:03 AM
Gen 6:6  And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7  And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
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