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256  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: U.S. Dollar and Food Prices on: February 09, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
Here is a monthly graph of the Continuous Commodity Index.......which includes food and other commodities.......priced in terms of dollars.........going back approx. 15 years.  It is essentially an inverse graph of the U.S. Dollar.



http://futuresource.quote.com/quotes/chart.action?symbol=CI&compareTo=&topsyms=CI&month=&year=2011&chartAggregation=M&chartStyle=BAR&chartSize=650x450&chartDensity=MEDIUM&userStudies=&x=42&y=9
257  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church on: February 09, 2011, 09:34:23 PM
Dear Tom      I have not really studied the various battles that will occur and am not an expert on them.......other than the one in Rev. 19 and the one that is at the end of the millennial kingdom. 


I actually have an opinion.......just an opinion.......that the U.S. dollar will eventually collapse putting our country and the whole world into a state of chaos.  This would cause Israel to lose a powerful ally and probably feel very much alone in the world.  It could then usher in in movement to the far right in Israel.........and the start of the sacrificial system.......in a sense an act of Israel desperately seeking help from God during a period of world chaos.  There might also be some other events happening as well.......major terrorist events, small nukes going off, food shortages, etc.


As far as the Holy Spirit goes........He is God.... and thus everywhere........not just within the hearts of believers.   


There are many battles that go on between the angels that we cannot see.......but a review of Daniel shows the extent of it.......and how Gabriel had to battle His way to Daniel with the answer to his prayer.  He received help from Michael, one of the chief princes.......and prince over Israel.  He is the great prince which God has assigned to watch over and help defend Israel.   In Daniel 12, we are told that he will stand up (stand still)......and thus no longer provide protection.  This is then followed by a discussion of end time events.......including the abomination of desolation being set up.   

Bear in mind that the 70 weeks prophecy was given to Daniel for his people Israel.......in response to his intercession.  The 70th week therefore is their final week of reconciliation.  After that, Christ will return and put His Spirit within them.  God at that time will no longer hide His face from them. 

Revelations on the other hand was given by Christ specifically to the Church........to show the Church end times events. 


Daniel Chps 9----12
258  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: U.S. Dollar and Food Prices on: February 09, 2011, 09:13:25 PM
Thanks for the input and I am happy to see that you both have good insight into what is going on.  Have a pleasant week. 
259  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / U.S. Dollar and Food Prices on: February 09, 2011, 08:29:29 AM
The value of the U.S. dollar has been going down which puts upward pressure on food and other prices. 


http://futuresource.quote.com/quotes/chart.action?symbol=DX&compareTo=&topsyms=DX&month=&year=2011&chartAggregation=M&chartStyle=BAR&chartSize=650x450&chartDensity=MEDIUM&userStudies=&x=28&y=12


Not sure if the link will post.  You can go to www.futuresource.com and click quotes to bring up graphs for the U.S. Dollar, Continuous Commodity Index, etc.  You can also click Month and Monthly to get Monthly graphs which go back approx. 15 years. 


One of the reasons for the Dollar going down is our escalating national debt. 
260  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re: I've had pain for years on: February 08, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
You might be deficient in Vitamin D3.  Your doctor can write an order to have this tested.  Most people go deficient during non-summer months. 


Vitamin D3 is called a vitamin but it actually is a very potent hormone that benefits many areas in the body.  You can research this online.  I will also include the sites for a few articles. 


Vitamin D is made naturally on the skin during the summer from the rays of the sun.  Many people live to far from the equator to get proper sunshine all year round........so it greatly helps to take supplements during the winter.  Keeping your blood level at therapeutic doses year round can help to prevent or miminize influenza, MS, the risk of developing cancer, heart disease, etc.  It is low in price and available at health food stores, Walgreen's, etc. 


God made the sun.......and the hormone D3 is made on your skin from the rays of the sun.......so it is from Him.  Naturally......pray for His blessing upon any food or supplements that you take. 


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51913.php


http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/13/1/6.pdf     


Best wishes for the future and may God be close to you. 
261  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church on: February 08, 2011, 08:40:45 AM
Where do you see Daniel 9-27 in your model of the Tribulation Period?

Daniel 9:27 KJV  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I see it at the beginning of the Tribulation Period - right after the Rapture of the Church. This is the false covenant that will be broken - oddly enough a 7 year covenant broken in the middle of it - mostly thought to be a peace treaty.


Hi Tom         Yes....I feel that the man of evil will probably make a deal with Israel to quiet things in the Middle East temporarily.......probably a land for peace deal.......perhaps giving back part of Jerusalem to the Moslems......the two state solution.  This peace agreement might not necessarily be well publicized.  It may have happened in Sept 2010......I am keeping on eye on events.


Then I feel that something very bad will happen in the world to facilitate Israel returning to the old daily sacrifice of animals.  This would be the Burnt Offering as described in Lev. 6.  They would not necessarily have to rebuild a temple......but could quickly construct a tabernacle to use.

In the middle of Daniel's 70th week, the man of evil will break his covenant.  The abomination of desolation will be set-up......placed......and seen standing in the holy place.  The man of evil will then first go after the Jews.......and attempt to destroy all of them.  Satan has done this in past empires......as with Nazi Germany.  God will defend His Word and Promise to Abraham......and supernaturally protect a remnant in the wilderness. 


Satan/anti-christ/false prophet will then become enraged and go after the offspring......the Gentile Christians who have been grafted into the natural branch.  This terrible persecution will go on for awhile but God will then cut those days short......end them.   

Then you will have a time of darkness in the world..........and the Day of the Lord's wrath announced as described in the 6th Seal.  Then the sign of the Lord will flash across the sky.   The 144,000 of Israel will be sealed from harm and the Christians will be caught up by angels to heaven.  Then God's wrath as described in the 7th Seal will begin.  It will go on for quite awhile as the 5th trumpet judgment by itself is 5 months in duration.  Following God's wrath as described in the 7th Seal.......Christ will return with His heavenly army to destroy His enemies and set up His millennial kingdom. 

262  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church on: February 07, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
Israel is back in its original homeland......a major fulfillment of prophecy which few thought possible for hundreds of years. 


The next clearcut signs to look for are:      3rd Seal:   a day's wages for a loaf of bread on a worldwide basis.


4th Seal:   25% of the world's population perishing. 


To my knowledge, the Pre-Trib position holds that Christians will be caught up prior to seeing these things.  So.....if you see food prices sky rocket in your lifetime......you should re-examine your position. 


The escalation in food prices will be primarily due to the elite bankers and their associates wanting to bring down the current system of nation states and usher in a one world government.  They especially hate the USA and all that it stands for.  They own the Federal Reserve and profit from debt, wars, etc.  They intentionally created such things as Credit Default Swaps, Mortgaged Backed Securities, Easy Credit in order to create severe bubbles......and then pop those bubbles.  The U.S. dollar will one day collapse because of our extreme debt.  This will cause world wide chaos, currency problems, and a severe escalation of all commodity prices.  It is already beginning to happen if you check out food and gold prices.   The motto of these evil ones:   order out of chaos.   They create chaos by intent.......and then usher in a new system......one that is to their liking.   These are the descendants of the original moneychangers.......who Christ chased out of the temple. 
263  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: Prophecy series II Europe and the Antichrist. on: February 07, 2011, 09:03:10 PM
The 4th Beast Kingdom is different from all the rest.......and has been quietly gobbling up the whole world.  In my opinion the world elite bankers have been quietly running things since the time of the French Revolution.  This kingdom is different because there are no visible kings as in years past.  They have been ruling in secret and becoming very wealthy over time.  The original family is the Rothchilds.  There are currently in my opinion 10 great international banking families running things......and the politicians are merely there puppets......bought and paid for. 

The man of evil will be a past leader.....well recognized......who will come back to life.  Many will marvel and follow after him.  He will make a deal with the 10 current leaders and bring down 3 of them. 

"The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be DIFFERENT from all other kingdoms, and shall DEVOUR THE WHOLE EARTH, TRAMPLE IT AND BREAK IT IN PIECES. 

"The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom, and another shall arise after them;  He shall be different from the first ones.  He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law.  Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time."   (Daniel 7: 23-25)


"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.  And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

"And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

"And the ten kings which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

"These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast."

"For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled."

Rev. Chp 17


In summary, an invisible kingdom has been ruling the world and gobbling up it's wealth since the time of the French Revolution.  These are the descendants of the original money changers which Christ chased out of the temple.  They have no allegiance to any particular country.  They finance both sides during wars and make money on interest, manufacture of munitions, etc.   They inflate economies and then bring them down.  They own the Federal Reserve and the current crisis was done by intention to destroy the USA, the nations, and usher in a one world government with themselves as visible oligarchs.  They will turn over their power and authority to the man of evil when he comes to facilitate their intentions. 
264  Welcome / About You! / Re: New Member on: February 07, 2011, 07:39:43 PM
Thanks Tom and have a pleasant week. 
265  Fellowship / Just For Women / Re: The sin that destroyed me on: February 07, 2011, 08:43:17 AM
We have all been killed by sin.  The only thing good in us is the Holy Spirit.  There is evil in our flesh and a constant war going on between the Spirit and the flesh.   See Romans Chp 7. 

The blood of Jesus is more than sufficient to make us white.  We have been justified.....made white......declared not guilty based on the shed blood of Christ......clothed in His righteousness.

Do not let the devil.....the accuser......make you feel guilty, terrible, etc.  He wants to upset your relationship with God.....and somehow convince you that Christ's work is not sufficient for you situation. 

You have asked God for forgiveness.  Now go on with your walk with Him.  Ask God each day to help you walk in the Spirit rather than the flesh......for the Spirit to give you power over sin.......for the Spirit to take control of your thoughts, feelings, actions, etc.  It is a daily decision that God gives us......to walk in the Spirit or the flesh.

Praise God for His kindness, patience, grace, and mercy.   
266  Theology / Debate / Re: The Rapture is after the Mark of the Beast on: February 07, 2011, 02:51:34 AM
I agree that the restrainer is Michael the archangel as described in Daniel Chp 12.  After He stands up (stands still).......and ends his protection over Israel........the time of Jacob's trouble will begin.  This naturally will not only affect Israel but all people on earth. 

After the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, you will have a time of Satan's wrath as expressed through the man of evil, false prophet, and man.  After a period of time, God will shorten (or end) this time.......otherwise no flesh would be saved. 

The whole world will then go black for an unspecified period of time (6th Seal and Mt. 24).  The great ones of the earth will hide in fear in caves.  This is because they know that God's wrath is about to begin. 

God has not appointed us to wrath.......namely His wrath (7th Seal).

Just prior to God's wrath, the 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm.  They will remain on the earth.  Then a great multitude from all nations will appear in heaven.  They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands.  This is the "rapture."  Then God's wrath begins as described in the 7th Seal.  The 5th trumpet judgment by itself lasts 5 months. 


The Day of the Lord is much longer than a human 24 hour day........and is announced at the 6th Seal. 


"Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!  For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"   (Rev. 6: 16-17)
267  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re: Tithing And Giving Sacrificially When You're Too Broke To Do So. on: February 07, 2011, 02:13:27 AM
When a person gives themselves to Christ, they are no longer under the law but under grace.  (Rm 6:15)

Although the law is good, it can save no one and actually can generate sin.  See Romans Chapter 7. 

We are instructed as Christians not to return to the law.  See Galatians Chp 3

A Christian who tithes is bringing themselves under the law with respect to their giving.  This can generate sin (i.e. thinking of oneself as better than one who does not tithe;  not being happy about giving the money during hard times, etc.)

The Old Testament law of the tithe was given to Israel.  It had many rules and directions that are not followed today.  There was a law of the tithe.  Included with this was just to bring forth the first fruits, unblemished animals, etc.  Dirty money was not used. 

For Christians......God loves a cheerful giver.......not one who is under any obligation.  You should therefore not bring yourself back under the law with respect to your giving, but allow the Holy Spirit to direct and guide you with this.  The main thing is that it is an amount that you are happy with after word.  If a stranger comes up to you asking for money, you give some to him as instructed in other Scriptures (Mt 5:42)......but let the Spirit guide you with the amount......so that you have no regrets later on. 


Paul to Christians:     "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion;  for God loves a cheerful giver."   (2 Cor 9:7)


Tithing is giving money under compulsion.......a 10% requirement month after month after month, etc. 
268  Prayer / General Discussion / Re: A Unscriptural and Dangerous Doctrine on: February 07, 2011, 01:44:12 AM
Jesus:   "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last hour."     (John 6: 39)


Paul to Christians:   "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has SEALED us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a deposit."   (2 Cor. 1: 21-22)


Paul to Christians:   "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption."   (Eph 4:30)
269  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church on: February 06, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
Thanks Tom and have a pleasant week.  May God be close to you always in the days ahead.    David
270  Theology / Apologetics / Re: What makes one a real born again Christian on: February 06, 2011, 02:34:32 PM
When a person turns their life over to Christ.......they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  This leads to very great love for God. 


"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.  For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God;  for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 

"So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.  But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF INDEED THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN YOU.  Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

"And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God."      Romans Chp 8



Having the Spirit...........Christ becomes your first love.  It just happens. 


Jesus:    "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.  And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."    (Matthew 10: 37)   


 
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