I like it when Im not, more than when I am. You have to be like a Doctor that never loses his patience

Thanks musicllover for the nice welcome!

When I hear the promises of the Gospel of the kingdom.
Then I must conclude all that partake of the Gospel must be together because the result of believing the Gospel is one.
So whosoever believes in Jesus Christ the Lord, Jew or Gentile is in Christ. Which is His body the church. Sealed until the day of redemption.
There is no other gospel, which would be needed to have another body of believers. No where in the bible is two gospels ever mentioned ,rather only one.
One God, one faith, one baptism, one Gospel ,one kingdom, one household of God,one Israel, one church. they are all inclusive. In the kingdom of God.

So how can we say that those saints in the tribulation are not members of the body of Christ, which is the church?

There would have to be another way to God, another gospel, and that is totally  impossible according to the Bible.

So all are one in one God.

I know it sounds really simple, but thats the way I believe the bible has it.  Makes good sense too, because they are all together in the end . May God Bless you as you Ponder this!

      I understand what your saying, but I've never thought about tribulation saints being a part of any other body of believers. All in all they are still a part of the original body if here or in Heaven. This is a new concept for me, that is why I am asking for scripture. I agree that that as in Eph we are one body, one baptism ect ect.  
        Explain how you believe that tribulation would seperate the boby? Or maybe it would be the pre trib rapture that seperates us. And I can pray and study, possilbe understand where you are coming from.
      RICH blessing to the believers of Jesus CHrist this beautiful day.
 
         

Musicllover hello! I do not believe anything can divide the 1 body of Christ, and that all that believe in Christ are in the 1 body.pre or post trib = 1body.
But many pre tribbers believe that at the pretrib rapture the body of Christ is complete.And those saved in the  trib are not of the church which is the 1 body. But then if that were true then another gospel would be needed, and that is not possible.Some think that the old covenant will be reinstated and Jews will get saved too, this is not possible either.
Only 1 Gospel for ever , only 1 way Jesus for Jew first and Gentile.
I dont know what you believe ,but this argument puts a rather large hole in Pre trib rapture theory.
God Bless !!!

six 24hr days for creation .
Age of the earth only God knows exactly, I understand that there is no accurate dating systems, probley the Bible is the closet we can get to determining the age of the earth.From my knowledge of the bible it does not say specifically so then how can we know? 6000 - 10,000  yrs old ?
But we do know its not millions of years old thats for sure.

1000 yrs is a Lord's day in duration , and I think the reference is in relation to the length of the Day of the Lord ,which is the millenium period, the reign of Christ upon the earth.

Thanks musicllover for the nice welcome!

When I hear the promises of the Gospel of the kingdom.
Then I must conclude all that partake of the Gospel must be together because the result of believing the Gospel is one.
So whosoever believes in Jesus Christ the Lord, Jew or Gentile is in Christ. Which is His body the church. Sealed until the day of redemption.
There is no other gospel, which would be needed to have another body of believers. No where in the bible is two gospels ever mentioned ,rather only one.
One God, one faith, one baptism, one Gospel ,one kingdom, one household of God,one Israel, one church. they are all inclusive. In the kingdom of God.

So how can we say that those saints in the tribulation are not members of the body of Christ, which is the church?

There would have to be another way to God, another gospel, and that is totally  impossible according to the Bible.

So all are one in one God.

I know it sounds really simple, but thats the way I believe the bible has it.  Makes good sense too, because they are all together in the end . May God Bless you as you Ponder this!

I believe that the rapture , is the second stage of the First resurrection, that happens at the second coming Of Christ,it's all one big glorious event, that everyone will see.No time lapse.Then Jesus Christ stands upon mount of olives and establishes the 1000yr reign upon the earth and all the saints with him. Satan after being bound 1000yrs is loosed,deceives the nations , destroyed from fire from heaven.Then this world is destroyed by fire, and then the New Heaven and the new earth, this is the only new age.  

Hello twobombs again!!

After reading  Hebrews chapter 7,8,9,10

It is not possible that the O.T. can be reactivated.

Jesus Christ is for ever the Only way to God.

So then for anyone to saved it must be through Jesus Christ the Lord. That applies to Jew and Gentile.

There is no scripture in the N.T. that validates another way to God. P.S. the antichrist would like people to believe so.

Hello Twobombs!!
You are talking about 2 Thess 2 v 6,7,8  I think!

The way I understand the passage is;That which withholdeth is to me not totally clear, but I have some thoughts.
We are told that their is a falling away first then the antichrist is revealed, to me this falling away is the work of the spirit of iniquity that began working back in apostle Pauls time, Paul mentioned it.
Today we can see that sin is increasing and many false prophets are showing false signs and false doctrines ,etc.Benny Hinn would be an example.
The result of this causes a general falling away from God," all men have seen the grace of God "(Romans) men have a conscience that knows what is right and wrong, but they sin against that conscience until they have virtualy little or none left, Homosexuals are an example of this.
A combination of false relgion , and sin abounding , causes a falling away from God in many ways.
True Christianity  becomes an unknown way of life for the men in general,and totally unexceptable too.
This all gives room for the Antichrist to rise as He will relate to the desires of men in general,after all the spirit of antichrist has been working a long time , and is coming to its climax.

verse 7He that letteth is God , God lets the antichrist have his hour. Then the antichrist is taken out of the way , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

verse 8 is again the statement that the antichrist is destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.Amen!!

I think that if the church is defined correctly then,we would have to admitt that it's here til the secound coming.
Who is in the church? All that believe the Gospel of the kingdom are church members.During the tribulation its clear that many are saved by Christ, therefore are members of the church.
There is only one Gospel, one faith, one baptism. One Church.

If others after the church is supposedly removed are saved by Christ, then does Jesus have two bodies?No way!
One kingdom , One church of the kingdom.
If anyone gets to heaven it's only through the Lord Jesus Christ. And through His gospel. So what is the result of the gospel , baptised into Christ by the spirit, sealed until the day of redemption .

Hi all!

As a Canadian I am not surprized , But how quickly things in the world are degenerating is surprizing, the USA is the last stronghold for this world, in many ways.But I see that the day of the Lord is coming,and I'm not overly concerned ,but for the lost I am.We need to pray for governments ,big time. It seems only a few rats in the right places can do so much damage to a country.
I see this current problem as an agenda that is set and not just for some countries but all,we Christians know whats going on ,but many do not believe us,there is a lot yet to happen ,Gay rights has given them the upper hand they want,so that they may bring it down on us . I hope the usa learns from the Canadian experience.

Yes as I was trying to Login I had to do it 2 times,it said error in password or some thing like that, this happened a few times.

   Looking forward to participating on this board.There is so much happening in this world as you all know,and we Christians can really help each other on Boards like this I hope.