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1  Theology / Apologetics / Re: Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 31, 2009, 12:13:33 PM
Pastor Roger, Im sorry you feel that way. have a nice day and be safe.
2  Theology / Apologetics / Re: Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 31, 2009, 12:03:06 PM
I dont call it arguing but discussing. If your uninterested in discussing it then ok. no worries. I do agree though that the bible is misunderstood. The question is, who is doing the misunderstanding? Anyway, I posted some proof and thats all I needed to do. You have a good day and be safe.
3  Theology / Apologetics / Re: Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 31, 2009, 11:24:43 AM
Yet there is so much more that proves that they are one and the same just as has been stated over and over again with supporting scripture throughout this thread and part one of the same thread. Even Jesus said that He was God. If we cannot believe Him then how can we believe in the message of Salvation that He teaches us?

Well given all the proof I posted, If you feel it is incorrect then disprove it. I dont know how many times Jesus has to say he is not God. 
4  Theology / Apologetics / Re: Is Jesus God? - Part Two on: August 31, 2009, 10:35:47 AM
They are the same being. Your logic is very flawed.

Scripture shows that as Jesus is the son OF God and not God himself and that the holy spirit is the spirit OF God and not God himself. I capitalized the word OF for a reason. Anyting that is FROM or OF something cannot be that something else. For example, I come FROM my mother, but I am not my mother. Jesus said, I come out FROM God. I came out FROM the father. Therefore Jesus came from God but is not God himself.

matt 28:19 Going, then, desciples all nations baptizing them into the name of the father, son and holy spirit. well this verse does not say the three form one God. They are all 3 mentioned in one verse and thats it.

1cor 8:6 There is only one God....The father.

1john 5:19 The son can do NOTHING of himself but what he sees the father do.  Now if son can do nothing himself where is the trinity in that?

2john 6:38 For I come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of them that sent me. Now if Jesus was God he would be here diong his own will but he clearly stated he is not....... no trinity

john 4:34 Jesus said my meat is to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work. Now did Jesus send himself? no God sent him.....So no trinity in that either

john 8:28 Jesus said, I do nothing of myself; but as the father has taught me.  well Jesus does nothing himself but what the father taught him....So no trinity there.

john 12:49  For I have not spoken of myself; but the father which has sent me, He gave me the commandment what I should say and what I should speak.  Now if Jesus was told what to say and speak by the father (GOD) trinity is completely impossible. no trinity there either.

There is so much more to prove they are not the same but im gonna stop here.
5  Theology / Apologetics / Re:How many "Sons" does God have? on: August 31, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Thank you for your replys. I beleive that there is God and Jesus(Peace be upon him) is one of his holy prophets. I don't understand how you beleive 3 are 1. It doesn't make sense to me. 1 + 1+ 1 = 1?!?
I do not see God being born out of a human, and being circumsised on the 7th day as it is written in the bible. Jesus (peace be upon him) i love him, but i do not worship him, for he was sent to us to command us to worship the father.
Jesus (PBUH) ate, slept and prayed like us. I beleive in his miracles, but like all messengers of God the miracles are done with the will of God.
No offence was intended. I want all people to worship the one and true God cause i love him

They are not the same.  God is the father, Jesus is the son and the holy spirit is a power that does what God commands kinda like the power of electricity that runs machines. The term trinity is not found in the bible. So lets not add it. God and Jesus are two separate beings that simply are working on the same goal. If me and my daughter were working on a project together well we are still two difffent people trying to accomplish the same goal.

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