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Theology / Debate / Re: Who has to repent ?
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on: September 23, 2010, 02:40:23 PM
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Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Hi Pastor Roger , and you think that answers the OP ? And these raises many other questions ; #1 , the context is still Jewish , in verse 20 , " but proclaiming first to the ones in DA and AT JERUSALEM . and to all the region of JUDEA and to the GENTILES/ETHNOS to Repent and to turn unto God , doing WORKS , befitting the change of mind .. #2 , The Greek word ETHNOS , can be translated by the following English words ; a , Heathen b , Jews c , nation d , Gentile #3 , To who was repentance given to ? #4 , To the Jews or to the Gentiles Matt 3:11 #5 , Do the Gentiles , IF it means Gentiles in verse 20 , do we have to bring works of Repentance as the Jews did in Matt 3:8 , " Bringforth therefore fruits meet for REPENTANCE #6 , If verse 20 is for us under Grace today ,did those Gentiles/ETHNOS /JEWS , become part of the Body of Christ #7 , Acts , chapter 26 is a recapitulation of what Paul experienced in Acts 9 !! All will have to decide if we have to repent to be saved and please give a verse ??
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Theology / Debate / Who has to repent ?
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on: September 22, 2010, 02:11:07 PM
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Hi to all and we see from the word that the Jews were called to Repent , ( Matt 3:2 ) And saying , REPENT ye , for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand .
And we that it is the Jewish nation that is called to Repentance .
And , please notice that Baptism includes Repentance ?
In Acts 19:4 , Then said Paul , John verily Baptized with the Baptism of Repentance .
How can anyone Repent when Col 2:14 , where it says that we are dead in your sins .
Then 1 Cor 2:14 says that the " natural man received NOT the things of the Spirit of God , for they are foolishness unto to him , neither can he know them , because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED .
Water and repentance were to Israel !!
Where are we told to repent ??
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Theology / Debate / Re: What did Paul early ministry look like ?
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on: September 22, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
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Have you really read Acts 21? You do realize that Paul is before the Jewish people here, and later before the Jewish Council. It is not the disciples or anything of that nature....he went back and was talking to the very same people that sent him out to persecute the Christians.
Hi Brother Jerry , and Acts 21:21 is clearly revealed that Paul was teaching the Jew among the Gentiles to FORSAKE Moses !
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Theology / Debate / Re: What Matt 28:19 really means ??
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on: September 22, 2010, 01:33:40 PM
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Dan your reply is failure.
Please point out where all of Matthew is Jewish first off. There is nothing of the sort for that basis. And you have posited nothing for support of such a stance.
As to the body of Christ bit, again in the context of your discussion that is irrelevant. And you have done nothing to bring relevance to that point.
Hi Brother Jerry , and I see that you did not take the challenge to point out where the Body of Christ is mentioned in the book of Matthew , but PASSED and I will be glad to point out many Jewish context in Matthew . #1 , Matt 3:5 , where Jews went out of Jerusalem and Judaea ? #2 , How about Matt 3:9 , raise up children unto Abraham ? #3 , How do you explain Matt 5:17 , where Jesus came to fulfil the Law ? #4 , And here is a good one for you , in Matt 10:5 and 6 , do not got to the Gentiles or Samaritans , but go rather to the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel . #5 , Here is one in John 1:31 , And I knew Him not , but that He should be made MANIFEST/OR KNOWN to Israel , therefore am I come BAPTIZING with Water . Notice John was NOT Baptizing Gentiles , but Jews , and you are failure if you can not reply in CONTEXT . And these are a tiny list !!
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Theology / Debate / Re: What Matt 28:19 really means ??
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on: September 21, 2010, 07:33:06 PM
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Dan,
You are forgetting some key points here. There are many different qualifiers in the sentences that determine what is being discussed at these different times. And context is vitally important.
Hi Brother Jerry , and you have pointed out why most believers look at the context and the context in Matthew is all Jewish !
If , you disagree , point out where it is talking about the Body of Christ ?
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Theology / Debate / Why do we have to confess sins ??
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on: September 20, 2010, 07:47:58 PM
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Hi to all , and many believers say and quote 1 John 1:9 , if we confess our sins , He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins , and cleanse us FROM all unrighteousness .
And if that is for today under grace , why does Paul say in Col 2:13 , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath He quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES .
So , why do any believer of today have to confess sins , today ??
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Theology / General Theology / Re: OSAS, The Whole Story - By Jack Kelley
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on: September 18, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
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If you follow our "Ask a Bible Teacher" feature, you know how many comments I've received lately that question the Doctrine of Eternal Security (aka Once Saved Always Saved or OSAS). Based on their content I've concluded that many people neither understand OSAS nor have they considered the alternative.
Hi nChrist , and I use to present many verse to prove OSAS , but I their is to me a very powerful way that Paul uses to prove OSAS .
In Eph 2:8 the Holy Spirit says by Paul , " For by Grace are ye saved ."
The Greek word for saved is in the Greek Perfect Tense , and this tense means Past Action with Continuing Results .
And for those who may not understand the Perfect Tense , a perfect example is in John19:30 where Jesus says " it is finished " which is also in the Greek Perfect Tense , Past Action , 2000 years ago and Continuing Results , for Christ keeps saving people WITHOUT having to go back and be put on the cross and die again , because He needed to only die once .
And that means He saved Past , Present and Future and will never be put on a cross ever again .
It is also in the Greek Passive voice , which means that it is Christ that is doing the saving and NOT us .
And it is also in the Indicative Mood which means it is a FACT .
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Theology / Debate / Where does the Body of Christ have its Beginning ?
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on: September 16, 2010, 03:29:38 PM
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Hi to all , and where the Body of Christ began is far and varied .
Some say it began in Genesis , Acts 2 , Acts 9 , Acts 11 , Acts 13 , or in Acts 28 !!
Covenant Theology say that it began with Adam and Eve .
Then , this is where the Majority are in Acts , with Pentecost and Hi-jack a Jewish Feast day , to promote the Body !!
Then we have Acts 9 , which is my Position >
Then there is a Dispenastionalist in FLA . that holds to a Acts 11 position !
Then there are many that hold to an Acts 13 position .
Then the last group are the Hyper or Acts 28 position .
And this is why I hold to the Acts 9 position , and there is not a verse to support a mid-Acts position , because it is not scriptural position . If we could ask Paul , " where do you begin the Body of Christ " would Paul say , it began in Mid-Acts ?? I do not think so !!
In Rom 1:1 , Paul a slave of Christ Jesus , a called apostle having been SEPARATED for God's gospel .
The Greek word APHORIZO can be translated by 3 English words ;
#1 , Separated #2 , Boundaries #3 , Limited
Paul was separated to ONLY preach the Gospel of God and NOT the gospel of the Kingdom .
#1 , The word Separated is in the Greek Perfect Tense , which means Past Action with Continuing Results .
For those who do not understand what the Perfect Tense means an good example is in John 19:30 .
Jesus says " it is finished " is in the Greek Perfect Tense also and means that his death is the Past Action and the Continuing Results are that He keeps of saving . The Perfect Tense also means that He will NEVER have to go back on the Cross and die again FOR ANYBODY ELSE !!!
This also means that Paul can NEVER go back and be a Pharisee again and teach the Law , but preach the Gospel 0f God . Acts 20:24 !!
This is also in the Passive Voice and this means that God is doing the the separation and not Paul .
This is also is in the Indicative mood and that means Rom 1:1 is a FACT .
This means that the Body of Christ began the minute that Paul was saved , and that Paul was the First member of the Body of Christ .
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Theology / Debate / What Matt 28:19 really means ??
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on: September 14, 2010, 04:34:55 PM
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Hi to all and most of Christianity , believes in the so-called Great Commission of Matt 28:19 .
Go ye therefore , and teach all ETHNOS /NATIONS , BAPTIZING them .
I will at this time focus on one of the key word in this text , and that is nation/ethnos .
This Greek word , ETHNOS , is translated by the following English words ;
#1 , Nation #2 , Gentile #3 , Heathen #4 , Jews
In Matt 10:5 and 6 , notice that way that it is used here , v5 ; Go not into the way of the ETHNOS/GENTILES !
And into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not !!
But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel .
Then in Acts 10:22 we see a different use of the Greek word ETHNOS . Cornelius had a good report among all the ETHNOS/NATION of the JEWS .
This is what Matt 28:19 is really speaking to in verse 19 , NOT the Gentiles , BUT where the Jews were scattered among the Roman empire .
John the Baptist , first came to Israel , BUT they killed their MESSIAH and the Kingdom of Heaven was set aside in Acts 28:28 , and this is what is called the near view of the Prophecy of Joel 2 .
The Far view , is when the 144,000 preach the gospel of the Kingdom during the Tribulation and complete what John the Baptist started in Matt 3 !
So , that means that the commission of Matt 28:19 and 20 are to the Jews scattered world wide and not to Gentiles as most believe .
The 144,000 will have command of the Languages of the world and will complete what John began , and by CONTEXT the Gentiles are not seen here .
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Theology / Debate / Re: What did Paul early ministry look like ?
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on: September 10, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
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Bella; AMEN
Dan Acts is a book of transition. You are correct in that the first part of the book the teachings were primarily to the Jew. But in the later part everyone and everything was moved to the Gentile. Even Peter preached to the gentiles, he even had a specific trip to a Gentile.
Hi Jerry , and I agree , and all should also notice that after Acts 15 , Peter is never more heard from but they were still keeping the Law as Acts 21:20 reveals . But this also shows that Paul preached against the Law of Moses and that means that there are more than one Gospel , what say you ??
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Theology / Debate / Where did the Old Covenant end ?
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on: September 10, 2010, 08:54:04 PM
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Hi to all , and this one just one reason that Jesus came to die .
I know that all will say that He came to die for all the world and pay all the human sins , and have never seen this as and OP anywhere .
In Heb 9:14 , He purges their conscience from dead works !!! In Heb 6:1 , he is talking to Israel .
Then in verse 15 , " that by means of death , for the redemption of the transgressions that were UNDER ( or sins under the first Covenant ) the First Testament or the Old Covenant .
As I have said that this just ONE of the reasons that Christ came to die .
So , to me that means that Old Covenant sins were paid at the Cross , but Israel was NOT SET aside , until Acts 28:28 !
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Theology / Debate / Re: Why no Succession ?
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on: September 10, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
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Hello Dan P,
It's nice to hear from you.
I don't know which thread you're referring to, so you'll need to give more information about what you're asking. I assume you're talking about an old thread that was locked.
Love In Christ, Tom
Hi Tom , and I just noticed one post where Succession was mentioned and just had to respond with and OP . If there is no Apostolic Succession , then it follow that is also NO Baptismal Succession , speaking in tongues , casting out demons , picking up serpents or drinking any deadly thing or lay hands on the sick and they shall recover . You can not remove one and believe the rest .
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Theology / Debate / Why no Succession ?
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on: July 01, 2010, 07:10:03 PM
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Hi to all , and it would not let me post on Apostolic Succession and will know ask what you all say . I see that most do not believe in Apostolic Succession and with that I also agree .
Here is the question , If you do not believe in Apostolic Succession , why do many believers , believe is BAPTISMAL SUCCESSION ?
And this would also include , speaking in tongues , prophecies , and knowledge , 1 Cor 13:8 .
How can we all deny Apostolic Succession and accept BAPTISMAL Succession ??
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Theology / Debate / What did Paul early ministry look like ?
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on: May 15, 2009, 06:07:33 PM
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Hi to all , and many of mainline Christians , believe that Paul preached the same message as the 12 disciples , and I say , NO. 1) In Acts 9:15 , we see 3 fold prong message that Paul preached. # 1 , preached to the Gentiles . # 2 , preached to Kings . # 3 , preached to the children of Israel 2) And this he did do . 3) We can all see that the Context of Acts is mainly Jewish , except when it comes to Paul and his commission . 4) We see that in Acts 21:20 , the Context is still Jewish , where James and the elders are talking to Paul and James says to Paul in v20 , Thou seest , brother , how many thousands of Jews there are who believe , and they are ALL Zealous of the Law of Moses . 5) And in v21 , we have what many did not know was in the Bible , and than try to deny and twist , what is written . 6)Then James is talking to Paul , And they are INFORMED of thee , that thou TEACHEST all of the Jews which are AMONG the Gentiles to FORSAKE Moses , saying that they OUGHT not to CIRCUMCISE their children , NEITHER to walk after the Jewish CUSTOMS . 7) #1 , we have Paul preaching to Gentiles . #2 , we see Paul telling the Jews to forsake Moses #3 , telling them NOT to Circumcise #4 , forsake Jewish customs So we see Paul doing his commission and after Acts 13:46 and Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:28 , Paul fully turns to the Gentiles
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Theology / Bible Study / Re: Bible study
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on: January 16, 2009, 02:26:25 PM
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There is book also , that most don't know about and it compliments 2 Tim 2:15 . It is the book of Phil 1:10 , and a literal translation is ; In order for you to TEST the things that are DIFFERING , in order that you may be PURE and BLAMELESS for the Day of Christ .
The Greek word for DIFFERING is DIAPHERO , meaning , to carry different ways , to be different from , to differ . Our responsibility is to " TEST " and Examine them and to put them in there proper place and Dispensation .
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