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He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God.

Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement.

aw

Is the He you're talking about is my daddy?!  In the Very painful end of his Cancer and Lou Gehrigs.  My daddy asked my mother a week before he committed suicide, Quote, His words ~ Do you Believe in the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? My mother said to him of chorse I do! That gave me peace, and my mother peace!!

I was estranged from my daddy from the year 2000 to February 26th, 2003 the day he committed suicide. March 3rd, 2003 is the frist time in alomst four years I got to even see any of my family!  I am an only child, my daddy's suicide hurt me Very much in more ways than I can count.  My Mother and I never got to say Goodbye to him..  


This Web Site (Kristi Ann's Haven) I built is for the Glory of God. Plus my own daddy Norman whom committed suicide Feb. 26th, 2003 because of cancer and Lou Gehrigs.

In Memory of my daddy Norman

July 26th, 1937 to Feburary 26th, 2003.

I 'll always Love and Miss you! Mom and I really Do Love you daddy. My mother & daddy looked very happy in the picture above!

Love Always & Forever,

KristiAnn

aw: Sin is NOT imputed to us as all of it was put to our Lord's account. All sin was judged at Calvary and committing suicide in no way kept your father from the presence of our Lord.

I believe that the time is imminent for us "ALL" to be together in any event.

A.W.

and "Even though He was very rich, yet He became poor, that we through His poverty might be rich." Neithe he nor us are poor anymore as He freely gives us all things.(Rom 8:32)

aw

He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God.

Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement.

aw

After somehwere around 100,000 posts on different forums, I can't say that I think I have ever read a more edifying one than this.

Congratulations to you and glory to God!

aw

Every time I try to log on, it cuts me off. Its the only site that does that.

In any event, the primary purpose of the post was to point out the differences between LAW and GRACE. Sabbitarianism is LAW, pure and simple. Those who insist that a specific day of the week must be set aside to have "CHURCH" meetings and religious activity are lacking in a complete understanding of grace.

WAs Christ more devoted to the Father on one day than any other?

Sabbitarinaism actually DECREASES church activity. The CARNAL Chrisitian will think they have fulfilled their oblihgations, Go on Sunday and pay a tithe.

The joy of fellowship, praise, worship, devotion, prayer, etc. are to be engaged in and enjoyed 7/7 not 1/7.

Obviously picking Sunday for corporate church activity is good and acceptable but it scores no points with God and should commemoprate Hisd resurrection and ours with Him.

aw

and indeed I have brother. There is NOT one beseeching, injunction, or commandment to the BODY OF CHRIST (CHURCH) to keep a certain day. As I have already stated, we are told NOT to esteem certain days as any more sacred than others. (Gal and Col)

Sabbatariansism is in direct opposition to the teaching of GRACE and bind one to keep all of the law if it is required for salvation/justification and/or blessing. It requires one to perform it all or be guilty of breaking it all. (James)

Sabbath- keeping is CHERRY-PICKING from O.T. Law and causes one to FALL FROM GRACE.

I'm just trying to help, but to the legalists who insist on the law, be my guest but I know that I have been redemmed from the CURSE of the LAW. If you want the CURSE, then enjoy it.

aw

ALL true and accurate IMO.

aw

Friend, the LAW has been abolished, fulfilled, abrogated, was for national Israel only, and we are no longer under law but grace. He took the ordinances that were against us and naoiles them to His cross. Whosoever thinks he is justified by the law is a debtor to do it all, or be guilty of breaking it all. You cannot pick and chose certain portions of the law- it stands as a complete unit or not at all.

According to your theology, the "wink of the eye" which is adultery makes you also guilty of being a MURDERER!

If you have a dacron or nylon piece of clothing, you have broken a law and are GUILTY and on your way to hell.

Thank God that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law. Stay there in misery if you wish. My advice is to get under GRACE and "WALK in the Spirit" because your theology has to rely on flesh only.

aw

aw

Isaiah 10:12 thoughts- The king of Assyria chastened Israel and the Lord punishes him because he boasts that he has conquerored many nations by "his" power alone. In short, he did not recognize God.

God alone is sovereign and omniscient and what He does is always for "good." We might not recognize it as such with our peanut brains and limited knowledge, but it is nonetheless true.

aw

That's a bit confusing, though. Who created Hell for Satan? Won't some humans be going there? Who will be doing the punishing if not God? Is it the same humans who will be punishing themselves?

aw: God created hell for satan and the 1/3 that rebelled.

Satan had declared that he would be "god" and we can have only ONE of course.

Humans will be going there because they reject the one and only way to salvation. Until one is born again, they belong to satan and will spent eternity with him in hell without salvation.

Satan ans his menions will be doing the punishing.

People who do not have a new nature will automatically continue to punish themselves.

aw

Its called PARADOX and it has been a major debate among theologians forever. There is no clear answer but as Sower has posted, God is good and does not punish people. It rains on the just and the unjust. "While we were yet sinners He loved us" and He loves everyone. If there is chastisement it is for our good or otherwise we would be treated as BASTARD sons.

Any attempt to make one terrified of God originates with His arch enemy- the devil. We are called into fellowship with Him and a member of His family.

If one wishes to look for where punishment originates, take a look at satan and not God. Hell was created for him and his followers and people go there BY CHOICE.

aw

What scriptural support d you have that He punishes the non-elect?

Some theologians believe that it was the PLAN OF SALVATION that was pre-destined and NOT individuals to it.

aw

I have one thing to say- I agree.

Secondly, Amen.

aw

Uh oh, Houston we have a problem- ELECTION. This is one of the most difficult concepts in all of theology. We know that God is good all the time and to all people. According to scripture, "While we were yet sinners He loved us." "He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." If any man knocks the door will be open. All who call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved.

Now, God knew beforehand who would call on His name and who would not. That does not mean that He played any part whatsoever in their making that decision. His knowing did not cause them to reject Him. It all gets back to FREE WILL.

He does NOT punish anyone right now. However, after a period of time and when all have had the opportunity to repenet but did not, His wrath will be poured out. (Like Noah and flood)

No one will ever stand before the Almighty and say, "You know Lord I really wanted salvation, but you did not elect me."

Want to know if you're one of the elect? Call on the Name of the Lord!!!!

aw

The problem friend is that you have not considered the EPISTLES to the Church(Body of Christ). Not only is there not one mention of sabbath-keeping, but there are specific admonitions to NOT make any day special.

A perusal of Acts will also demonstrate that they refer to it only as the Lord's Day. Some Jewish Christians would continue to go to synagogues, but they were following thier custom and not what the instructions to the Church reveal.

To confound the Lord's Day with sabbatarianism is to mistake the teachings of GRACE with those of LAW.

aw