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31  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Huge Snake Hints At Biblical Truth... on: February 10, 2009, 01:49:50 AM
Scientists have discovered a fossilised snake which weighed in at an astonishing estimated 2,500 pounds!!
and was 42.7 feet nose to tail tip.
The estimated evolutionary age of the fossil is approx 60-million-year-old...eya rrrighttt.  Roll Eyes
Anyway, this humungus python was discovered in South America.

Now this huge snake needs an evolutionary explanation and so sure enough the good folks in that fairy tale world have come up with a hummer!
The reason this snake, according to them, grew so enormous is due to temperature!

here's a quote...
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"Drs Jason Head and David Polly carried out much of the quantitative work behind the discovery whilst working in the School of Biological and Chemical Sciences at Queen Mary, University of London; they identified the position of the fossil vertebrae which made a size estimate possible. Now based at the University of Indiana, Polly explains: "At its greatest width, the snake would have come up to about your hips. The size is pretty amazing. But our team went a step further and asked, how warm would the Earth have to be to support a body of this size?"


Wowee! A snake that is so fat, it would come up to a man's hips!! This is absolutely astounding my friends.
I have an explanation for the snake's enormous size, but first let's take a look at what the evolutionists are saying as they struggle to come up with something sounding scientific and intelligent without the need for God!

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Crews led by the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute and the University of Florida's Florida Museum of Natural History discovered the fossils in the Cerrejon Coal Mine in northern Colombia, and together with lead-author Jason Head now of the University of Toronto-Mississauga, used its size to make an estimate of Earth's temperature 58 to 60 million years ago in tropical South America.


Sounds pretty scientific so far huh? What with these goofy ages in the tens of millions of years!

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"Paleontologists have long known of a rough correlation between an age's temperature and the size of its poikilotherms (cold-blooded creatures). Over geological time, as ages get warmer, so does the upper size limit on poikilotherms."

"There are many ways the anatomy of a species is correlated with its environment on broad scales," Polly said. " If we understand these correlations better, we will know more about how climate and climate change affect species, as well as how we can infer things about past climates from the morphology of the species that lived back then."


Notice the language here, which is extremely typical of all evolutionary gobbledy-gook.
They actually admit they do not understand what's going on in relation to this hypothesis about temperature and the size of a species! Amazing! Here's a prediction: the statement made above which states, " If we understand these correlations better, we will know more about how climate and climate change affect species
In other words, we do not understand these correlations, "but if we did..." OK, I predict that in spite of this acknowledgement, this hypothesis will be used as empirical proof as to why this snake grew so large.

OK, bare with me a while longer as I give more examples of how evolution conclusions are reached.
Read the following quote...

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" Assuming the Earth today is not particularly unusual, Head and Dr Jonathan Bloch, Assistant Curator of Vertebrate Palaeontology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, estimated a snake of Titanoboa's size would have required an average annual temperature of 30 to 34°C (86 to 93 F) to survive. By comparison, the average yearly temperature of today's Cartagena, a Colombian coastal city, is about 28°C."


Again, this type of language is very typical for evolutionary conclusions.
Lots of assumptions and guess work based on those assumptions, which are based on presuppositions. This is not empirical science!
But hey, it gets even better my friends.
take a read...

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"Tropical ecosystems of South America were surprisingly different 60 million years ago," said Bloch. "It was a rainforest, like today, but it was even hotter and the cold-blooded reptiles were all substantially larger. The result was, among other things, the largest snakes the world has ever seen... and hopefully ever will."


OK, first of all, there is absolutely no empirical proof for such outrageous ages. the dating methods used are extremely unreliable and the dates reached are not based on actual rock dating, but rather these ages are based exclusively on evolutionary assumptions based on presuppositions! yes, I can prove this beyond doubt.
I actually will start a new thread exposing these useless dating methods and I will use evolutionary scientists themselves to make the point! For the purposes of this particular post, let's leave the dating behind for now.

Secondly, I would like to talk to the person who was there over 60 million years ago, and I would love to ask him exactly how warm the weather was back then! LOL! My friend, there is no way of knowing what temperatures or climates were in the assumed 60 millions years in the past! This stuff is all assumed! I can prove it, just read what the evolutionists say next...

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"The temperature estimation shows that a tropical rainforest, like Cerrejon, lived at a temperature of 32°C, five degrees above the upper limit of temperature for tropical rainforest in modern times," said Carlos Jaramillo, a palaeobotanist ad the Smithsonian Topical Research Institute. "These data challenge the view that tropical vegetation lives near its climatic optimum and it has profound implications in understanding the effect of current global warming on tropical plants."


Wow! so in order for the evolutionists to get the correct assumed (oxymoron anyone?) temperatures for this snake to grow so huge, they are forced to challenge empirically known temperature limits for tropical rainforest in modern times!! What??!!
Amazing! In other words what we see today is not possible because if it were this snake could not be as long as it is!! LOL!

To Continue In Next Post...
32  Theology / Apologetics / Re: Three Hours Of darkness on: February 09, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
You are very welcome my freinds.
I just love this kind of study, and I'm going to be posting lots more God willing!

John
33  Theology / Apologetics / Three Hours Of darkness on: February 09, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
Three Hours Of darkness

Matthew 27:45
The Death of Jesus
45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.

Mark 15:33
The Death of Jesus
33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Luke 23:44-45
The Death of Jesus
44 It was now about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45while the sun’s light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.

So, let’s make it clear. I assert that the three hours of darkness was not some metaphor, and was not supposed to denote some allegorical spiritual lesson. It was a real historical event based on eye witness accounts and I can also provide proof that this is an historical event through corroboration by non biblical historical documentation!

Non Biblical Corroboration:
At least three ancient historians, Thallus, Phlegon, and Africanus wrote about this mysterious three hours of darkness.

Thallus wrote a history of the eastern Mediterranean world since the Trojan War. Thallus wrote his regional history in about AD 52
 Thallus’s original writings have been lost, however, he is specifically quoted by Julius Africanus, a renowned third century historian. Africanus states…

‘Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun—unreasonably as it seems to me.’

So it appears that Julius Africanus doesn’t accept the naturalistic explanation which Thallus came up with!


Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology around AD 137:
In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33)

there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’

Now we know this explanation of an eclipse is not correct because Jesus was crucified at Passover time, and Passover was held during a full moon!
An eclipse could not have caused the three hours of darkness at the crucifixion because they don’t occur during the full moon. Isn’t it exciting to read this explanation where it states “so that stars even appeared in the heavens”!
That is really dark! The stars were visible during this three hours! Amazing!

This description by Phlegon is extremely interesting because not only does it give details such as the stars being visible during the day at the three hours of darkness, but it corroborates the gospel accounts. He gives the year the exact time of day, and he also mentions a great earthquake which are also described in the Gospel of Matthew 27:51


Africanus composed a five volume History of the World around AD 221. He was also a pagan convert to Christianity.

Africanus: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the Passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun? Let opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth—manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period.”

So Africanus is upset about the eclipse explanation and rightly so!
He also raises the question as to how an eclipse could cause an earthquake or raise people from the dead! Also an eclipse could never last for three hours! At best they last only a few minutes as any who has ever witnessed one will tell you!

There has been much debate as to whether this event was regional or world wide, and truthfully, I can’t say for certain, but I believe personally that it was world wide, after all we are talking about the death of God!
However, we do have good information that it was far reaching if not world wide as Dr Paul Maier, professor of ancient history at Western Michigan University, notes ‘This phenomenon, evidently, was visible in Rome, Athens, and other Mediterranean cities.’

On the other hand, Africanus writes of the darkness as a global event.

Tertullian, the famous second century apologist, also hails the darkness as a ‘cosmic’ or ‘world event’
 Tertullian wrote:
At the moment of Christ’s death, the light departed from the sun, and the land was darkened at noonday, which wonder is related in your own annals, and is preserved in your archives to this day.

Tertullian infers that documentation of the darkness could be found in legitimate historical archives of the day.

OK so to sum up;
We have the gospels describing three hours of darkness - an earth quake - and a resurrection event all occurring at the death of Jesus Christ.
To corroborate, we have several non biblical historical accounts which lend almost unprecedented legitimacy to the Gospel accounts.

Bronzesnake
 
34  Theology / Debate / Re: My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 07, 2009, 04:17:43 AM
Hey thank you so much again Tom.
You always manage to be right on the nail with your responses!

That scripture you posted for me to read was extremely relevant for me Tom, and I really needed to read it.
I’ve been going through some personal struggles in relation to my sister as you know, as well as other difficult things and I am so greatful to you for reaching out to me like you always have brother….
Thank you brother Tom!

You know I am praying for you and your wife, but also for your family Tom…

I hope it’s OK if I take a little time out to publicly pray for you and your wife Tom…

May our Heavenly Father have mercy on us all, and may Jesus Christ shine upon us and clean us of all sins so that He may be better able to hear my prayers as I ask for healing for my brother Tom, who I know, and you also know Lord, to be an honest and extremely faithful servant of father God and Christ the Son
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Father in your Holy name, and in the Holy sacred name of Jesus Christ, the creator, and God in the flesh, who came to offer Himself up as a sacrifice, a final Holy offering to destroy death and sin and the evil one for all eternity that whosoever believes on Him shall not die but shall have eternal life in His Holy Kingdom! In the Holy name of Jesus Christ I pray for healing for Tom’s dear wife Amen!

May God our Father continue to bless you brother Tom, as well as all my brothers and sisters here on this forum, in the name of Jesus I pray this request.

John
35  Theology / Debate / Re: Why the Beast of Revelation 13 is different from all the other Beats. on: February 07, 2009, 03:56:51 AM

AMEN brother John.

I didn't know Pastor Roger posted in this topic. Wink
My bad Bob!!...sigh... Cheesy
Sorry broseph! LOL!

In relation to the post. It seems obvious that the poster made a mistake in misidentifying the Rev 13 beast.

The dream of the king “Nebby“, and the beats of Daniel’s vision was describing the same thing - the Antichrist, however, as we all tried to point out to our friend...King Nebby’s dream focused on military power and outward glory of the gentile empires during “the times of the gentiles”
Daniel’s dream emphasized the greedy and violent character of the four empires.

Our friend was inferring there would be some kind of an Islamic Christian war, and although that may be partially and coincidentally true, it was most certainly not the message of that image.
The image of the beast from both the King's dream and Daniel’s dream represented The Antichrist; satan possessed of a man and pretending to be Christ.

The classic mistake this poster made was placing his own interpretations inside the scriptures, where as we are only able to get the truth of the scriptures by exclusively using the bible to interpret itself.

take care my brothers.
John
36  Theology / Debate / Re: Why the Beast of Revelation 13 is different from all the other Beats. on: February 03, 2009, 02:56:34 AM
Continued from above post...

The first beast
A lion with eagle’s wings.
The Babylonian empire:
 
Dan 7:4 -
“The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.”

These images remind me of the images of mythical beasts depicted on the huge walls of Babylon that I saw on CNN from the days when Saddam was rebuilding the ancient city.

The wings on a lion represent swift military action and victories.
The wings having been plucked give a fairly accurate description, after having conqured the known world and resting all military activities to devote itself to massive building projects.

It’s also interesting to note similarities of this section of the scripture…
“and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.”
And the seven year judgement from God upon king Nebby where he went mad and lived as a beast in the field and even ate grass Dan 4:30

The second beast
A bear.
The Medo-Persian empire:

Dan 7:5 -
“And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.”

This is an accurate depiction of an empire which conquered with the strength of a bear.
The Medo-Persian empire conquered Babylon and virtually every other kingdom that got in it’s sights with ponderous and bearlike strength.
Medo-Persian amassed hundreds of thousands of soldiers from their newly conquered nations and went onto crush many other future enemies.

Daniel depicted the bear laying on one side which represented the fact that the Persian kingdom was much more powerful and aggressive than the Medes.
Cyrus the Great took command of both allied kingdoms at the death of his father-in-law Darius the Mede, and from that point on the kingdom was known as the Persian empire.

Daniel’s vision of three ribs in the bear’s mouth prophetically represented the Persian empire’s conquest of three kingdoms - Lydia, Babylon and Egypt. Those kingdoms had formed a defensive military alliance against the Persian empire, but it didn’t work out too well for them in the end! LOL!


The third beast
A leopard with four wings and four heads
The Greek empire:
Dan 7:6
“After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.”

The Greek empire of Alexander The Great, which was represented in king Nebby’s dream as the brass belly and hips.
Alexander’s army included just 32 thousand soldiers and 5 thousand cavalry, and yet his army defeated King Darius’s massive army of a quarter of a million soldiers!
Alexander’s small fast army defeated all the ancient Asian empires all the way from Greece to Babylon and southern Russia as well as India, thousands of miles to the east!
So the symbol of the Leopard, which is a small fast and aggressive animal fits extremely well don’t you think?

The four wings represent the historical fact that after Alexander’s early demise, his kingdom was split into four smaller, but very powerful kingdoms.
Alexander’s four greatest generals ruled the middle east for almost two and a half centuries until the Roman empire led by General Pompey the Great conquered the middle east in 63 BC, prior to the known world being taken over by the roman empire’s succeeding Caesars.

The fourth beast
Iron teeth and ten horns.
The Roman empire:
Dan 7:7
“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”

The fourth empire is described by Daniel as being the most awesome and powerful kingdom in history.
It’s iron teeth line up with the iron leg’s of king Nebby’s dream.
This fourth empire is significant because the antichrist will lead a revived Roman empire in the end days against God and the Jewish people, as well as the tribulation saints.

OK now I’ll attempt to bring it all together…

Dan 7:8 - “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”

Daniel is alerting us to the arrival of the antichrist in the last days here.
The revived Roman empire - the kingdom of iron  Dan 2:23 , 40-44  Dan 7:7
Will have ten horns, representing ten kings and nations, that will rise within the territory of the ancient Roman empire Rev 17:12,   this parallels the ten toes of king Nebby’s dream in Dan 2   .

Now, a “little horn” representing an eleventh man/king, will rise up the nations of the original ten kings. The “little horn” (the antichrist) will subdue three of the ten horns and destroy them. The seven remaining kings of the original ten nations will submit to the domination of this “little horn”, - the new king/man (antichrist) will then begin his role as antichrist and world dictator.
He will take over the ten nation revived Roman empire and go on to expand his empire through wars and false peace treaties until he finally takes control of the entire planet.
His rein will last for seven years until the second coming of Christ and His saints, which are you and I, the raptures saints as well as those who will convert after missing the rapture, and who are forced to try and survive during this final seven year wrath of God.

John                                             
37  Theology / Debate / Re: Why the Beast of Revelation 13 is different from all the other Beats. on: February 03, 2009, 02:55:50 AM
OK, this is going to be rather long, but it obviously needs to be done.
Tom and Roger are correct, and I am having serious doubts about anyone who chooses such a username as Christian heretic…still, here is scriptural truth, not my truth, but God’s own truth straight from the pages of His Holy manual.

We all agree that God revealed a future prophetic lineage of world domination to Daniel, through Daniel’s interpretation of king Nebby’s dream, in the form a statue which terrified the king, and represented four great empires which were to  rule the known world during twenty-six hundred years from king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to the return of Christ at the end of this age.

It is utterly amazing that all four empire’s did in fact appear in succession  during the following five centuries and in the exact same order predicted by Daniel.

It is also amazing that from the rise of the Roman empire in 63 BC until today, no one has managed to establish a fifth world empire, despite serious attempts by tyrants such as Charlemagne, Frederick Barbarossa, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin…all tried and failed miserably to create a fifth world empire.

I won’t go into a lot of detail here in explaining the full meaning of the statue, but rather I will merely describe the dream and the interpretation of Daniel…

Head of Gold - Babylon - “thou art this head of gold”

Chest of silver - Media-Persia - “after thee shall rise another kingdom inferior to thee”

Belly and hips of brass - Greece - “third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth”

Legs of iron - Rome - “the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things and bruise”

Toes of iron and clay - Ten nations of revived Roman empire - “the kingdom shall be divided…so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken”

The stone cut without hands - The Messianic Kingdom - “ in the days of these kings shall the God of Heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed”

OK I will not go into detail on the revived Roman empire which we see happening today except to point out the following…

Daniel told us that the antichrist will rise out of the Roman empire…
“The price that shall come, will come out of the people who shall destroy the city” Since it was Rome and it’s legions that destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., it logically follows that once again the “prince that shall come” must come out of the Roman empire, and people.
The antichrist will rule the revived ten nation Roman confederacy, and he will exercise absolute control through satanic power. “Dan 8:24 - “his power shall be mighty but not by his own power”
He will have complete control over politics, economics, and war, as we see in Rev 13:2.


OK now to the four beasts.
After Nebby died in 562 B.C. Daniel received an amazing vision of four great beasts.
These beasts represented the rise and fall of the four great gentile empires that would dominate the known world for thousands of years. Tow of which arose after Daniel had died.
Daniel’s visions represented a span of time that includes the first coming of Christ and the reappearing of the Roman empire in the revived ten nation superstate, just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ.

This prophecy of the four beasts paralleled the earlier prophetic dream of king Nebby of the metallic image.
Although this vision represents the same sequence of the first dream, there is one major difference.
King Nebby’s dream focused on military power and outward glory of the gentile empires during “the times of the gentiles”  Luke 21:24.

Daniel’s dream emphasized the greedy and violent character of the four empires.
Daniel stated the four powerful beasts would arise from the great sea Dan 7:2-3 This image represents the sea of politics and also the Meditererranean Sea which was central to each of the world empires.

In his vision Daniel sheds light on the political aspect of the four figures, commenting on the behind the military conquests of each empire…notice the prophetic symbols of the predatory beasts.

To Continue...
38  Theology / Debate / Re: My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 03, 2009, 02:35:21 AM
Thank you for your constant prayers brother Tom, and I really apreciate the surgical advice because I had no idea there was a new way.
The surgeon I saw a few years back described a brutal proceedure and that's why I put it off. However, I am going to another surgeon who has opened me up a couple of time already and who I literally trust with my life, and i will most certainly be inquireing about this new method.
Thank you very much.

I was reading through some posts by a person who uses the name "christianheritic" and the name was revealing but the post in relation to the four beasts of Daniel and revelation was so messed up in spite of efforts by yourself and roger, that I thought I would try my hand at it.
have a look and perhaps you can add in anyhting I may have missed.

God bless my friends!

John
39  Theology / Debate / Re: My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 03, 2009, 12:11:28 AM
Hello my dear friend Tom.
Thank you so much for the warm words brother, and I reciprocate!

Things are not so bad at the moment, although I lost my aunt last Tuesday, however she did have a good run at 80 years. Aunt Joyce was mom's sister, and died from the exact same thing that took mom...Alzheimer's.
She was also the exact same age as mom when mom passed on.
I feel comforted knowing grandma, grandpa, mom, and aunt Joyce are finally all together again with Jesus!

It looks like I'm going to have to have esophagus surgery Tom.
I have tried to put it off for about four years now, but I can't put it off any longer.
My valve is damaged and doesn't close and so acid is getting into my lungs on a daily basis now. I don't have to tell you how terrifying and painful that is.
So I'm going to see my surgeon and set the date.
It's a pretty serious surgery as I'm told and I imagine I'll be in the hospital for quite some time, but at least I'll finally have some comfort without this acid nightmare.

OK, now back to business!
Yes, evolution is in fact dead...not dying, but stone cold dead.
Even the most die hard evolutionists are beginning to admit this sad reality, but they still refuse to even consider a creator! Oh the power of the wicked one to infiltrate our hearts is tremendous!

Did you know the U.S. supreme court ruled that Atheism is in fact a religion? Yes, it's true, and I was amazed to discover this!
So, now we have a religious based theory, and a proven false one at that, and so our children are being indoctrinated by a religious based theory in our universities and we are seemingly powerless to do anything about it, because creation cannot be taught because it is a religious based theory!??

Check it out...

 
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LAW OF THE LAND
Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group

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Posted: August 20, 2005
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate's rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.
"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.


The court decided the inmate's First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court's ruling "a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence."

"Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion," said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion.

Fahling said today's ruling was "further evidence of the incoherence of Establishment Clause jurisprudence."

"It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts' is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited," Fahling said.



John
40  Theology / Debate / Re: My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 02, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
Those who teach theistic evolution are indeed not Christians for to be a Christian they must believe the words of Jesus Christ and His teachings. There are many that call themselves Christians that in truth are not. Theistic evolutionists teach a different Jesus and pervert the Gospel.


Amen brother.

John
41  Theology / Debate / Re: My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 02, 2009, 01:23:41 AM
Hello brother, It's great to see you here again.


We don't see any GTF because none exists. Almost all fossils are located in one primary geological layer. In order for fossils to form the plant or animal must have died and been buried immediately. This alone refutes the process of evolution. he reason that the majority of fossils are located in one geological layer is because they were burried rapidly all at the same time ... during the flood of Noah approximately 2300 BC. As was said earlier today, the theory of evolution has fallen apart, it is dead but unfortunately there are many that still don't know it. God's word has stood the test of time ... it is in fact truthful and beyond refutation.



Amen brother.
One of the saddest facts of evolution is that the greatest harm this satanic lie causes often comes from our own Christian brothers and sisters known as theistic evolutionists whop preach this as truth.

John
42  Theology / Debate / My New Challenge To Evolution... on: February 01, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
Hello my brothers and sisters.
I am sorry it's been so long, but I am happy to have this forum to come to anytime.

I have come up with what I feel is a very effective challenge for anyone who believes in evolution, and more specifically in those who believe the lies being indoctrinated into our children's minds in about every major university on the continent in regards to the overwhelming "evidence" of graduated transitional fossils.

First of all, and right off the top, I emphatically deny any G.T.F. exist anywhere on the planet. Every time I have asked for photos or any other proof of these G.T.F. I inevitably am directed to some obscure web site which will show very impressive charts and explanations accompanied by really nice artwork depicting such fossils, but never any real, actual photos, or locations of the real fossils.

One of the most respected evolutionists of our generation, the late Steven J. Gould, was an American paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science. He was also one of the most influential and widely read writers of popular science of his generation, made the following remark...

The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persist as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils ….We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life’s history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.” - Stephen J. Gould - “Evolution’s Erratic Pace,” Natural History, vol. 86 (May 1987), p. 14.

Now what he means about "data only at the tips and nodes of their branches" is that what we observe in the fossil record exclusively, are fully formed animals, and not ever any intermediates.
In other words, we do not see any animals in the process of becoming another , different species.
For example, we don't see any fish with back legs.

If we think about it logically, we would expect the "transitionals to make up the vast majority of the fossil record.
Let's say for example there was a fish...a fully formed fish just swimming around minding his own business.
Then, one day it has young ones, and one of them happens to have grown one tiny toe out of the side...then when that fish has young ones, the same thing happens with all it's off spring.
Over the life of that one fish, it may have thousands and thousands of young ones with that same toe.
Then, thousands and thousands of years later, one of the fish with the toe has offspring and on of them has four toes...take this to it's logical conclusion until we have a fully formed lizard.
Toes would then have a foot, then there would be toes on the other side and a foot, then the legs, then the lungs then all the other thousands of slow random unaided changes which are needed to finally go from the first original fish the final outcome, the lizard.

So, the fossil record should show many many millions of in betweens, or graduated transitional changes...but it doesn't. As Steven J. Gould states, "the trade secret of paleontology" is that these in betweens simply do not exist!
It's a secret because our children are not being told about it! This has serious connotations when we consider how the courts voted against having the "other side" told in class. The other side includes inconvenient truths such as this one, and many many more.

Many people do not know this but the supreme court ruled that atheism is also a religion, and so why is one religion allowed to be taught in our schools and not the other?

OK, now evolutionists have tried explain this away by saying the conditions which allow fossils to be created is very unstable and most of these missing fossils were obviously washed away before they could form!
What!?? OK, let's try and set this most unlikely explanation aside and think about the odds of this happening.
Here's my challenge to evolutionists.

Imagine you have taken a photo of a person who has lived let's say for sake of argument 80 years, once a year on his/her birthday.
OK, so we have 81 photos starting from birth to one year old to death at eighty.
Let's say these photos represent the fossil record of one species, which is represented as the new born photo, and another fully formed different species which is represented by the final 80 year old photo.

OK, now, let's scatter all these photos over a one thousand acre farmer's field.

OK, a few months go by and you go back to see what is remaining of the 81 photos.
What would you logically expect to find? The newborn photo and the 80 years photo only? I doubt it.
You would find a scattered remnant of a mixture of the photos representing all ages roughly.
You may find photos of the baby years...some would be in seriously poor shape, and others would be not so bad, but you would find other photos representing the teen years, and others representing adult and finally old age.
Let's say you only found twenty of the 81 photos.
You would no doubt have a vast majority of the in between years as opposed to only the first and last photo right?

OK, let's say for the sake of argument that by some amazing fluke, we did only find the first and last photo...this is only representative of one transitional right?
So, now let's do the same photo experiment representing all human history. So, for every human being do the same experiment.

Now toss all these photos over the same field and return a few months later.
What are the odds that you would find only the new born and final photos for all humankind??
Right...
This is exactly what evolutionists are teaching our children. This is why Steven J. Gould exposed this lie in his honest assessment of the actual facts surrounding evolution as it pertains to graduated transitional fossils.
All we find are fully formed animals and zero in betweens which Darwin himself admitted would be the death of his theory.

John
43  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Iraq WMDs In Syria on: October 24, 2008, 06:47:31 AM
Hello my friends.
I thought I had already posted this yesterday, and if I have and it was removed for some reason please accept my apology.
Here it is...

I remember seeing a CNN video showing a huge line of covered military vehicles shown via satellite which were headed to the Iraq Syria border from weapons depots.
The odd thing was I watched CNN obsessively in the weeks leading up to the beginning of the war, and that piece was never shown again which was extremely bizarre considering the serious implications.

I have always contended those weapons were there, and were moved out prior to the war, and there is mounting evidence that this is exactly what happened.

Russia helped shuttle them out, and there is a growing disturbing connection between Russia, China and Iran. Many of us are familiar with bible prophecy which puts these nations along with others in league at the end times, and I am constantly amazed to be a witness to the unfolding of these biblical prophecies.

What a wondrous time to be alive my friends!

So why wouldn’t the U.S. government simply reveal this information?
If these weapons were really there then why would they keep quiet?

There are very good reasons for this silence and it involves the fact that exposing certain countries including Russia at present would put our agents and countries (U.S. Canada, England etc) in jeopardy.
Exposing the countries involved in being in league with Saddam’s regime at this time of our history could lead to WWIII, or in the very least, it would get a lot of people killed.

I think the general populations of our democratic countries (allies) are extremely naive when it comes to political disclosure. Most of us believe we have the right to know ever little detail in relation to foreign policies and intelligence. That is extremely irresponsible my friends, we foolishly believe we know what’s going on in the world but we truly have no clue.
When it comes to the protection of our countries we really cannot trust our own eyes.
There’s huge vicious dogs in the yard, and it would be stupid to attempt to remove them without the appropriate protection. In other words if there’s a killer lose in the house I don’t want a pea shooter for protection,  want a 44 magnum semi-auto.

This is a hard and cruel world my friends. We simply cannot afford to be open and out front with our intelligence. It’s a recipe for certain destruction. I want my leaders to be just as tough as the bad guys, I want my front line commanders to be every bit as cunning and vicious as the bad guys are, or even more so!

I want my leaders to know how to keep secrets secret! I want my leaders to keep my family safe and if that means lying to the general public in order to keep the terrorists in the dark then so be it!

The democrats knew the weapons were there, they knew the weapons were shuttled out and they knew who took them out and they know where they are. Still, they used the knowledge that the present administration could never divulge this information publicly as a weapon to attack them and gain political ground. T’s shameful. Think about it…how could all the top secret services from all over the world have been so dead wrong? The obvious answer is they were not wrong at all, but they cannot tell the truth for reasons which are not obvious but can be inferred by those who have common sense and political savvy.

Here’s yet another source which makes the case ever stronger that the weapons were there and are now in Syria waiting to be used against us.

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

Russia and China are in bed together and have had military exercises together in preparation for the war which the scriptures tell us is coming and soon.
Iran, Egypt, and other Eastern countries are all in league with North Korea and the countries I just mentioned. All these countries are making preparations for a huge world war. Russia never let go of her communists roots, they simply sat in the shadows and are now firmly in charge of that country again. Putin was the former head of the KGB, and his entire political membership are also KGB. They patiently waited and built up their military quietly until we got to where we are today. They once again have a huge military force, which includes the largest nuclear submarines on the planet. The Kursk was not an accident, and it is common knowledge in military and political circles that a U.S. submarine sank her.

It is believed that the USS Memphis was buzzing the Kursk in an open protest by the U.S. after being assured the Russians would not be rebuilding their military with billions and billions of U.S. money which was supposed to be used to rebuild the country’s economy.
The Russians were openly flouting their new attack subs to the Chinese of all people…imagine that!
The Memphis got too close and collided with the Kursk, as the Memphis was attempting to get away, the USS Toledo heard the Kursk opening their torpedo bays and had to respond immediately because of the super fast new Russian torpedoes, and so the USS Toledo fired a torpedo and sank the Kursk.

Don’t believe it?
Look at this photo of the Kursk and judge for yourselves…


Just look at that odd looking hole in her side...hmmm, looks suspicious don't it?!

This almost started WWII, but as in the case of the Iraq WMD’s this story was buried under a mountain of propaganda and the Russians received a huge compensation check from good old Bill Clinton.

We can’t trust our eyes in these matters my friends, but I can tell you this…the U.S. didn’t go into a war which costs the precious lives of so many heroes, and so many billions or trillions of dollars based on a “maybe” They went in to keep us safe from almost certain annihilation by terrorists who would have, and will eventually get their hands on these weapons. The scriptures are clear. Russia along with several middle east and east allies including China and her 100million man army, which they happen to have today, will attack Israel. The scriptures clearly describe horrible nuclear war, and the inevitable destruction of God’s enemies when Jesus Christ along with His raptured saints and angels, return to put an end to the attacks before satan and his friends wipe out the entire planet, and that takes a lot of weapons. Some of that arsenal is stored in Syria today and came out of Iraq.

John
44  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Iraq WMDs In Syria... on: October 23, 2008, 01:55:38 PM
I remember seeing a CNN video showing a huge line of covered military vehicles shown via satellite which were headed to the Iraq Syria border from weapons depots.
The odd thing was I watched CNN obsessively in the weeks leading up to the beginning of the war, and that piece was never shown again which was extremely bizarre considering the serious implications.

I have always contended those weapons were there, and were moved out prior to the war, and there is mounting evidence that this is exactly what happened.

Russia helped shuttle them out, and there is a growing disturbing connection between Russia, China and Iran. Many of us are familiar with bible prophecy which puts these nations along with others in league at the end times, and I am constantly amazed to be a witness to the unfolding of these biblical prophecies.

What a wondrous time to be alive my friends!

So why wouldn’t the U.S. government simply reveal this information?
If these weapons were really there then why would they keep quiet?

There are very good reasons for this silence and it involves the fact that exposing certain countries including Russia at present would put our agents and countries (U.S. Canada, England etc) in jeopardy.
Exposing the countries involved in being in league with Saddam’s regime at this time of our history could lead to WWIII, or in the very least, it would get a lot of people killed.

I think the general populations of our democratic countries (allies) are extremely naive when it comes to political disclosure. Most of us believe we have the right to know ever little detail in relation to foreign policies and intelligence. That is extremely irresponsible my friends, we foolishly believe we know what’s going on in the world but we truly have no clue.
When it comes to the protection of our countries we really cannot trust our own eyes.
There’s huge vicious dogs in the yard, and it would be stupid to attempt to remove them without the appropriate protection. In other words if there’s a killer lose in the house I don’t want a pea shooter for protection,  want a 44 magnum semi-auto.

This is a hard and cruel world my friends. We simply cannot afford to be open and out front with our intelligence. It’s a recipe for certain destruction. I want my leaders to be just as tough as the bad guys, I want my front line commanders to be every bit as cunning and vicious as the bad guys are, or even more so!

I want my leaders to know how to keep secrets secret! I want my leaders to keep my family safe and if that means lying to the general public in order to keep the terrorists in the dark then so be it!

The democrats knew the weapons were there, they knew the weapons were shuttled out and they knew who took them out and they know where they are. Still, they used the knowledge that the present administration could never divulge this information publicly as a weapon to attack them and gain political ground. T’s shameful. Think about it…how could all the top secret services from all over the world have been so dead wrong? The obvious answer is they were not wrong at all, but they cannot tell the truth for reasons which are not obvious but can be inferred by those who have common sense and political savvy.

Here’s yet another source which makes the case ever stronger that the weapons were there and are now in Syria waiting to be used against us.

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

Russia and China are in bed together and have had military exercises together in preparation for the war which the scriptures tell us is coming and soon.
Iran, Egypt, and other Eastern countries are all in league with North Korea and the countries I just mentioned. All these countries are making preparations for a huge world war. Russia never let go of her communists roots, they simply sat in the shadows and are now firmly in charge of that country again. Putin was the former head of the KGB, and his entire political membership are also KGB. They patiently waited and built up their military quietly until we got to where we are today. They once again have a huge military force, which includes the largest nuclear submarines on the planet. The Kursk was not an accident, and it is common knowledge in military and political circles that a U.S. submarine sank her.

It is believed that the USS Memphis was buzzing the Kursk in an open protest by the U.S. after being assured the Russians would not be rebuilding their military with billions and billions of U.S. money which was supposed to be used to rebuild the country’s economy.
The Russians were openly flouting their new attack subs to the Chinese of all people…imagine that!
The Memphis got too close and collided with the Kursk, as the Memphis was attempting to get away, the USS Toledo heard the Kursk opening their torpedo bays and had to respond immediately because of the super fast new Russian torpedoes, and so the USS Toledo fired a torpedo and sank the Kursk.

Don’t believe it?
Look at this photo of the Kursk and judge for yourselves…


Just look at that odd looking hole in her side...hmmm, looks suspicious don't it?!

This almost started WWII, but as in the case of the Iraq WMD’s this story was buried under a mountain of propaganda and the Russians received a huge compensation check from good old Bill Clinton.

We can’t trust our eyes in these matters my friends, but I can tell you this…the U.S. didn’t go into a war which costs the precious lives of so many heroes, and so many billions or trillions of dollars based on a “maybe” They went in to keep us safe from almost certain annihilation by terrorists who would have, and will eventually get their hands on these weapons. The scriptures are clear. Russia along with several middle east and east allies including China and her 100million man army, which they happen to have today, will attack Israel. The scriptures clearly describe horrible nuclear war, and the inevitable destruction of God’s enemies when Jesus Christ along with His ruptured saints and angels, return to put an end to the attacks before satan and his friends wipe out the entire planet, and that takes a lot of weapons. Some of that arsenal is stored in Syria today and came out of Iraq.

John
45  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re: My hobby on: October 07, 2008, 05:26:14 PM
Hi everyone.
I see the e-mail address I posted for myself has gone.
Has this this removed by moderators, or is something gone wrong?

I hope I'm not breaking any rules. If I am I apologize and will try my best to follow forum rules.

John
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