What is there to disagree with NorthStar about?  First comes the AntiChrist, then comes Jesus.  One major reason to debunk the so called pre tribulation rapture is because there are already Christians going through a tribulation.  The suffering of Christians in the Sudan is one example.  Christians have also had their tribulations in the past.  When Nero blamed the Christians for burning Rome and had his personal pleasures through Christian sufferings such as using Christians for fire lit lanterns at night, this was indeed a tribulation.  Many American Christians sitting in luxury and not doing too much in the name of Christ such as helping the poor and homeless, but instead pointing fingers and judging, have another thing coming if they think they are going to be raptured and spared some inconveniences. 

[The Anti Christ]

This is the exact reason why some of us believe that the Anti Christ will be a Jew.  Dreamweaver says it here:
"Will he be a Jew? Many assume he will be because Jesus said, "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another shall come in his own name, you will receive him" (John 5:43).

Many Jews have changed the name form Messiah to Meshach.  They beliieve their Messiah will come from this earth. And their Messiah can only be a Jew.  Their Messiah cannot be a gentile.  There were other antichrists during Jesus's time and they were all Jews. (see Josephus)  Plus, a gentile will not be able to desecrate the temple unless it's as the Romans did (by force.)  Jesus was their Messiah and they denied Him.  They are looking for their Messiah (Meshach) to be born on the planet earth, to rise, and lead them out of their troubles.  The Meshach can only be a Jew  This man, a Messiah from planet earth (not in the clouds) is a Jewish man who will fool them into believing he is their Messiah when actually, he is the Antichrist. The Jews have only one Messiah and that is Jesus Christ who will return in the clouds. 

Remember I think it was Nathan who turned himself into a leader when Moses was in the mountains? 

I guess it is time, I post this..................

The Anti Christ

Will he be a Jew? Many assume he will be because Jesus said, "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another shall come in his own name, you will receive him" (John 5:43). Based on this statement, people ask, "How could the Jews possibly receive a Gentile as their Messiah?"

But the Bible does not teach that the Jews will receive the Antichrist as their Messiah. It teaches they will accept him as a great political leader and diplomat and that they will put their trust in him as the guarantor of peace in the Middle East.

But the moment he reveals himself as the Antichrist by desecrating the Jew's rebuilt Temple and blaspheming God, the Jewish people will revolt. They will reject him as Messiah, and he will respond in fury by attempting to annihilate them.

Greetings to all.  I am new to this forum.  I am an unemployed and homeless person who still has a lot to learn and offer.  I was baptised when I was very young and I have fallen to temptation many times.  Over these fifty-two years of my life, God has been very patient with me.  Since I am homeless because I haven't been able to get a job, I feel that there is a "definite" purpose to what I am going through. 

I have been published in three Christian Science Fiction ezines.  I like Science Fiction and Christian Science Fiction is best because this is where the power of God is respected.  There can be no science without God. 

I came to this forum because I have a lot to say.  I may not frequent here that often due to my current condition.  God Bless you all.   

Migthor