Hello Lightsavour,
 
I am the wife of ggamble.  I feel the Lord has put this on my heart to share my testimony.  I had used drugs since I was nine years old.  I have been saved since I was thirteen.  I backsled three times. The Lord called me back September 7, 2005.  See the Lord promises to never leave or forsake you, that is very true.  But you can grieve the Holy Spirit.  It takes obedience to empower the Holy Spirit.  I have studied alot to understand what the Lord wants from us.  The Lord wants us to deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.  I am thirty-six years old, and have been delievered from all alcohol and all drugs.  I also listened to the lie that you can get stoned and still worship God.  Well brother that is the biggest lie from Satan that I have heard yet.  Your flesh is still wanting to have its way. As a sister in Christ I pray that the Lord lets you realize that you can not have a fogged mind and still have the mind of Christ.  Any thing that takes you away from God is Satan trying to keep you where you once were.  Do not listen to the enemy.  Please don't take for granted the grace of God.  I believe the Lord is already speaking to your heart that doing drugs or abusing alcohol  is not His will for you.  Now all you have to do is take a step of obedience and put it down.  The Lord will heal all areas of your life.  Also people in the world who do not walk in the Spirit are going to be able to be used by the enemy without even realizing it.   This is a letter from a person that was literally about took out by the enemy. The enemy is very tricky, he knows all your weaknesses and he hears what you talk about with your friends.  I pray you let this in your heart.  You have to be clear in the mind and body  for you to hear from God.  I have even seen things thinking it was from God, but I'm sorry to say I was deceived. The enemy will put all kind of thoughts that seem good and pure but are so far from truth. The enemy does this to keep your eyes off Jesus. I"ll leave you with this truth from Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ, it is not I who live but Christ who lives in me."  Jesus does not get high. Jesus only does the will of the Father in Heaven.
Just a thought I don't believe the wine 2000 years ago is the same as today.
Also incense are incense not weed. I don't believe they had weed 2000 years ago.  Hang in there I hope this letter put a new view for you. Trust your heart our Lord and Savior sent His Spirit to help us, let Him help you. Be alert on the traps the enemy sets for you. May God Bless you. Remember deny yourself, don't give into the flesh or the world.  Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."  I pray these scriptures put things in focus for you.  With the Love of Jesus...   The wife of ggamble. 


   My wife knows the lies of the enemy that kept her in them strongholds, from what I have read, of your post. It would seem your looking for ways to justify smoking pot or drinking or lets put it in another more to date term, coping a buzz, and still be if fellowship with the Lord. Number one, smoking pot is against the law, so why even try to look for something in scripture to ok the use of it. The fact for medical use, well, faith in Jesus heals, by His blood we have been healed, and thats another subject all together.
   We are to glorify God, getting high on anything; blocks hearing from God, the Spirit will not be in a heart that is double-minded, serving another master. The clue here is if one is looking for a way to justify something, the red flag should come up in discernment, saying that is not of the Spirit. Flat out, and this thread was dealing with crucifying the flesh, and renewing the mind, and a good rule is to bring everything in to obedience of Christ.
   You have to have the Holy Spirit in order to discern the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit would not have a Saint looking for a loop hole in the Word of God to justify a desire or lust of the flesh. We have to discern the spirits, a friend of the world does not have the Father in them. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against powers , rulers and authorities of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Justification should not be a question or the answer. If one was doing the things outlined in the start of this thread, the thoughts of getting high would have been casted out and the void filled or obedience to Christ with the use of scripture to crucify that part of the flesh would come from 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us a spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
   Sound mind, would be what I would even go farther into in the fight and cast them thoughts out in the name of Jesus, vocally and come back with that scripture.
Discernment a must, Justification, twisting scripture, and taking it out of context, to find a reason to party. Not of God friend!
Deny yourself, like my wife said, and Satan is the father of lies, he wants you to take your focus off Jesus and God's will for you. He wants your worship, he has studied your every move since you came in the world, he knows how to work you, but with the Spirit and the sword of truth, no weapon formed against you will prosper. Jesus is the Word, Jesus is the way and the truth and the life.

Only always for Jesus
in the love of A brother
ggamble

Greetings Dream Weaver,

Amen, brother
It is a daily fight, the sword of the Spirit is our weapon, the Word of God.
Hebrews 4:12  For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the  joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.  {KJV}

This was a really awesome read, and very clear in it's understanding.
I might add it is the renewing of our minds, as Paul says in Romans 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

As you know our struggle is not against flesh and blood, thats what stays in my mind and alerts me to the fight we have, and with the Armor of God we can fight the good fight and keep pressing on.

2 Corin. 10:3-5 ----  (3) For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (4) [For our weapons of our warfare are not carnel, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;] (5) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;    {KJV}

Jesus shows us that example against Satan in the desert. I my self cast out them thoughts, or anything that is not to the knowledge of God, vocally as did our Lord, and fill that void, quench it with the Word of God, as our Lord did, "vocally".   Just as you were saying and we keep our swords sharp by knowledge and undertstanding, the discerning of His Word, Amen.

"We don't become victors by conquering the enemy. we become conquerours by surrendering to Christ.  We don't become victors by our independence from Satan, but by our dependence upon God. Victorious lives come from victorious thoughts, thinking victorious thoughts come from setting our focus on God."  quote Beth Moore

Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 

Seeking Him, thats the common sense strategy for our warfare.
Awesome post, praise Jesus for your service to Him, its all about Him,  Amen.

May the Lord bless thee and keep thee,
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Greetings JesusistheLight

Refer to Proverbs 14:12. and Proverbs 31:30 for the answers you need, I cannot judge one if they are moral, or trying to be seductive.  I would be doing the things I listed in my post as well as praying for them as the Spirit would led me.
The thing for women to think of, if they have a question about their dress and or appearance, in reference to modesty.  Should be a clue of what the Spirit is trying to tell them, in all things if it does not "Glorify the Father" then it is not His will. Justification is always the flesh trying to tempt you to go that way in thought, as to say well that's all right. We are to glorify the Lord, and be not of this world. The only answer and or advice,  I can give ya. What ever a woman needs to know is in the Word.


May the Lord bless thee and keep thee
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Amen, Brothers & TalkerCat

   Well, it does not take rocket science to figure out the answer to this question.
No,  it's not modest, friend
and if justification is what the root of it is, then, theres the answer also. NO
  But hey,  Modesty means MODEST, no loop holes, or v-necks,  or any type tubetops to that.

only always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

GOD'S LITTLE CHAMPION'S


We know there's victory in Jesus
Our strength is trusting in Him
Nations will stand and glorify the Lord
All God's children, always win
We are all God's little champions
There is power in Him even if we fall
We are all God's little champions
The Cross is there for us all

**CHORUS**
We carry the torch of truth
With His Spirit in our hearts
We are all God's little champions
With Him we are set a part

Across the finish line to Heaven
It doesn't matter to Him the score
For in Him there is true victory
Eternal life forever more
We are all God's little champions
There's power in Him even if we fall
We are all God's little champions
The Cross is there for us all

**CHORUS**
**REPEAT CHORUS**

We are all God's little champions
With His Spirit in our hearts
We are all God's little champions
With Him we are set a part



Given to ggamble --May 27, 1996
For Vacation Bible School Olympics Theme
First Church of God, Rochester, In
(c) Two-G's Music
Key of  C
Chord rotation  - C - F - G  (fill chord Bb for return)
4/4 moderate pace

The level of your courage in your life will be determined by the understanding that you are kept for Christ Jesus.   Dr Ron Floyd

Only always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Greetings Friends,

  Amen Pastor Roger, here is something I came across in a devotional this past week something very deep to consider and meditate on that Oswald Chambers brings out from these three words "If any Man" and  "option with it".  The scriptures in these shed some light on these last replies on this thread. 

  There is nothing easier than getting saved because it is  God's sovereign work - Come unto Me and I will save you. Our Lord never lays down the conditions of discipleship as the conditions of salvation. We are condemned to salvation through the Cross of Jesus Christ. Discipleship has an option with it -- "If any man......"
                         Quoted  from "My Utmost for His Highest" Oswald Chambers  ** Feb, 2 ----

Luke 9:23  And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.  {KJV}
Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. {KJV}
Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. {KJV}
Heb 10:38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. {KJV}
1Jo 2:15  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. {KJV}

Some other verses that give that "option with it"  in the truth, His Word.

John 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments. {KJV}
John 14:21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. {KJV}
John 14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. {KJV}

These sheds light on and, to the next verse.

John 10:28  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. {KJV}


May the Lord bless thee and keep thee
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Howdy, BEP

 Thank you for the idea there, I have done that sometimes on E-Sword than came over and posted. The problem might be how long I'm at the writing table, so that might be the route to take. Thank You.
Amen on the generation lines in the Bible, IT was all by God's design, and I can see your point in mans research.
I had a thought about about one reading devotionals, if that would not be somewhat in the lines of what has been being discussed in this thread? I love to read the ones I do, along with the daily Bible study. And somedays in the morning when its getting hard to get around and time is a factor, After prayer, I just get my bread from there and the verses of that devotion and try to keep that in application for the day, or should I say be alert to it, and apply it.
And I love that "Daily Light on the Daily Path Devotional" that is so rich, and really hits home morning and evening.
Well. got to ready for worship, it's been a pleasure, God bless.

Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Greetings BEP, and Pilgrim


  All through the Bible we see the generations or lines of man - it was important to God or it would not have been in there. And yeah, that ain't where it's at for salvation. Tom you know I know what saves us, His Grace, John 3:16.  As I have stressed before "If any man". There's a theme to history, and its root is what we can learn from it, and what not to repeat.

  My stand here was about the Word, that's the rock, Amen, but other things came out in the debate also, and I learned some things also. As for "Pilgrim", your a man also, and I'd check everything you say against the Word also. And if some of the things you expressed here in these replies is your vision of the "walking in the Spirit,  compared to what you wrote in a reply on "Born again What happened".
  I would not be setting in fellowship and getting feed some of what you yielded here.
Luther unfairly receives a free pass, your quote, Pilgrim.
  If this is how deep in respect & love to the Cross, is to you, that's not the Christ I know in the Word of God.  I will stress "there was a price,  there was a cost, that's another thing the Gospel tells me. My foundation is Him and His Word, and I'm thankful to have it. That's what I was telling "Pilgrim", Tom
  I did not think I was crossing any lines in the forum, I'm sorry if my view may have been interpreted that way, forgive me.

  For some reason this thread has been acting funny and such, posting when I'm not done or have not selected that option, hands not even on the keys, and here it goes either gone or putting it out in post. Praise Jesus, I can press on in Him.
Pilgrim, as I said before, in the love of Jesus, may the Lord bless you in the gift of revelation.


May the Lord bless thee and keep thee
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Amen, Pastor Roger

  My main focus was on the event of the reformation, where the real truth finally got out, all those involved in it. The martyred ones who stood their ground through "Bloody Mary" and before that time. Huss, Luther, John Wycliffe, Tyndale, and the rest, I have to give them respect for their stand against the wiles of the enemy.
  Protestant, what ever, I too know what body I belong too, His church I'm all His and He is making me to His likeness. I cannot agree with any man that goes against God's Word, or their actions that are not brought into obedience to our Lord. No matter I still better love them, its the Lords commandment. I miss the mark myself through my day, and I thank God for the mercy and grace, that He gives when I repent and learn and press on.  As it says in in Hebrews 10:23,  Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful.   {NIV}

May the Lord bless thee and keep thee.
Only Always for Christ Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Hello, New Life, Pilgrim


Protestant
PROT'ESTANT, a. Pertaining to those who, at the reformation of religion, protested against a decree of Charles V. and the diet of Spires; pertaining to the adherents of Luther, or others of the reformed churches; as the protestant religion.

PROT'ESTANT, n. One of the party who adhered to Luther at the reformation in 1529, and protested, or made a solemn declaration of dissent from a decree of the emperor Charles V. and the diet of Spires, and appealed to a general council. This name was afterwards extended to the followers of Calvin, and Protestants is the denomination now given to all who belong to the reformed churches. The king of Prussia has, however, interdicted the use of this name in his dominions.  {Webster's Dictionary}


The Sacrament of Holy Baptism:
  Baptism is not simple water only, but it is the water comprehended in God's command with God's Word. Christ, our Lord says in the last chapter of Matthew: Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
What does Baptism give or profit?
  It works forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the Words and promises of God declare.
  It is not the water, but the Word of God which is in and with the water. For without the Word, the water is simply water and no Baptism. But with the Word of God it is a Baptism, that is, a gracious water of life. A washing of regeneration in the Holy Ghost. Titus chapter 3 says: According to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing  of the Holy Ghost. Which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ, our Savior, that, being justified by His grace, we should be heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying.
                                                                                        from the "What Luther Says"

  I take that as what Marv said and I shall paste it here:
It should also be noted that the grace available in baptism doesn't come to us without faith.  It is not the simple act, but the reception of the act in faith, it is the belief that God's Word and promises are true.
As I have highlighted in blue "It works" meaning to me it is a works in faith, or as Marv put it an act in faith.
  Note, here from what I just posted from Luther in the BOOK:  "What Luther Says"  that, being justified by His grace, we should be heirs according to the hope of eternal life. I would say he was preaching the right gospel, because  what I highlighted there in blue is what our salvation is based. There are other ways of saying it but that covers it.
  I visited your profile, just as you had visited mine, {I love the Lord} - went to the web-site, seen what might be considered man pulling out of scripture to make a statement of faith and or doctrine as you claim with the "creeds".
From my history of the church that I studied, it was baptism that formed the branching off of the Reformation. I have no true way of finding your church from the new churches branch off history per each cause to form another church. But if "Brethren" is the key word here than I can find it going back 1708 Schwarzenau Brethren, under leadership of Alexander Mack. And that was in the United States, and some in Europe which were a small group of men, branched from Anabaptism, Pietism, and Minnonite families.
  But from the definition from Webster's of what Protestant means, then your saying you came from the Catholic. And I would guess that you have the Hebrew text and the Greek text and translate it yourself, since Luther's translation {which is a lot of the King James}  / {because of your description of his character} would not be trusted?
I Thank God for the Word, and for what Luther did in his stand so we have it. I owe Jesus, my life, my all, my everything, and He is the Word.
  I think your thing with Luther is a bit deeper and as I would tell a true brother, sanctification always gets to the root, to open up doors of truth. You have laid out the fruits here, discern some things. Luther did not get a so called "free pass", it had a cost, if you are truly of Christ, you would not threw around what Jesus did for us {that believe} so careless. Some might take that even farther.  I cannot believe that to come from a Christians thoughts, if his mind has been renewed, and  he is (Governed) walking in the Spirit.
  Sin and the sacrament of the alter, should not be taken lightly either. Remembrance of Him, is not a free pass.
BEP,  Amen brother, I just read your reply,  it's all good in my book, but the Word is where it truly is at and what the Gospel is all about,   "HIM".................................

Peace be with You, God bless
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble
 

Seeking Him in the Word,

From the beginning to the end,  Father, Son, Holy Ghost    US

Genesis 1:26 ***  And God said, Let Us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  {KJV}

Genesis 11:7 ***  Go to, let Us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.   {KJV}

John 1:1-2 ***  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.   {KJV}

John 1:14 ***  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of mercy and truth.  {KJV}

Hebrews 13:8 *** Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.  {KJV}

Revelation 1:8 *** I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.  {KJV}

                                           What else do you make of the "US" in Genesis?

The "US"   in Genesis, shows He was there, along with the Father, and the Holy Ghost. You can see the "US" in the other verses also.

Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Amen, Marv

  What I have learn about Luther was his love for the Word of God, and about how scripture gives revelation to the meaning. On the catechism making one hellbound, it's my understanding and the same thing I had to make a choice to do as anybody else who is now saved by grace. They either choose Jesus as their Lord and Saviour or reject him. It is on ones own merit where they will spend eternity. And what I read about Luther and Baptism. Quote from Luther "For without the Word, the water is simply water and no Baptism."
  Pilgrim you left alot out, what you accuse man of doing in creeds and doctrines and such, {you may get a revelation here} you seem to be doing the very same thing. WWII was not Luther's fault for the Holocaust, think again.
Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, that may put some light on it, out of Ephesians, yes alot of Innocent blood was lost there. In Proverbs 6:16-20 we find out what God says about that, you might find some other wonderful things there also.
  I personally don't tell my children that this is the "catechism", I tell them what it is in the Word. I was in agreement with the things we are to teach at home and I would add alot more to it, as well as Matthew 5
But what I listed in my other replies about the catechism was right from Luther. I don't see anything in what he said that would put anyone in hell. If you are setting in a Protestant Church today you have The Lord to thank for Luther and alot of other reformers. Luther loved the Word, some of the things he wrote in his later life I have not studied them,  I've  heard some question to them and as Merv said it may all be because of people misunderstanding him or his interpretation. I'd write more, but I had a good reply yesterday but it got hacked. But I'll leave with this from Oswald Chambers from my devotions Feb. 2.  Our Lord never lays down the conditions of discipleship as the conditions of salvation. we are condemned to salvation through the Cross of Jesus Christ. Discipleship has an option with it -- "If any man...."


God bless,
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble
 

Brother Pilgrim,

  I have not read all of  "What Luther says", but alot of it only as I was lead to read. He died in 1546, February 18, not far away. As I was reading where your address led me, it did not read like Luther, wrote or from what I have read of him. Alot of it seemed like something that he would not have did, from what happened after the 95 thing he nailed on the door of the church. And as Marv said it is incomplete.
  No matter, I'm glad he followed the Spirit's lead back then, so we have the Word. Alot that is in the King James was from his translations. If he did anything outside of the Lord's will, or should I say what Jesus would have not done. Well, he had a flesh too, and I would have  to forgive as would you. And would hope the Spirit called him to repentance, since I know he heard His voice, I'd say he got all things right before He went to be with Jesus,  John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.    Dead or alive he is still a brother, and in what I posted in reference to him saying, many others would say the same thing.
  But my second post on here was as the first in reference to the creed as the Word of God. And well, the men that did it left out the verses and chapter and Book it was in, and they could had made it more Biblically correct if they would have put "For it is written" before they started the creed, and maybe in Jesus name at the end of it to prove it. Which they did not have to do, because it is all in the Bible, and even the end of it, because it mentions the church in the Bible also. I recognize where they got it from in the Word, don't you?
  On Luther, I thank God for choosing him, to get the Word out and to keep the Book of Acts growing. I thank God for the creed, and it's truth and how it just sings of His glory. And I thank God for you, love ya brother. As long as it's in lines with His Word, I'll teach it to may children in any method the Spirit guides me too. Because I have that watchman over me, to give me discernment of what is of the truth and what is of man. The Spirit of God, with saying that, I'll be digging in for a test of it.  Praise Jesus
  Blessed be His name.


May the Lord bless thee and keep thee
Only Always For Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble

Greetings Brother's & Sister's in Christ


  Just some thoughts to ponder on,  from history research I have on the Word of God, some which I may have obtained from www. greatsite.com / Bible museum in Goodyear, Arizona.

  The Bible was divided into Chapters by Stephen Langton about 1228 A.D. The Old Testament was divided into verses by R. Nathan in 1448 A.D.; the New Testament by Robert Stephanus in A.D. 1551. The entire Bible, divided into Chapters and Verses, first appeared in 1560 A.D. in the Geneva Bible.

  Our Lord said in:  Matthew 4:4  But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. {KJV}

  The Bible is God breathed, it says every Word, and we know that in John 1:14    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth. {KJV}
So here it says Jesus is the Word, there is the only begotten, and it also says that in John 3:16, possibly the most memorized verse in the Bible. And it goes on and says full of grace and truth. Jesus said I'm the truth and the life. The Word we know is nothing but the truth, Jesus is the Word.
  Now in Matthew 4:4 Jesus is quoting scripture, notice He does not say it says in Deuteronomy 8:3 " and he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that doth not live by bread only, but by every Word proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. {KJV}
  And from what we have in Chapter and Verse He did not quote the whole thing we now have in Chapter and Verse, just the Word. No chapter, no verse, just simply "It is written",  it is the Word of God. Now Jesus could have said it in terms of index or to show reference, because He knew it would appear like that one day. Knowing man would become more educated and complete in correctness to quickly obtain for reference purposes. But that would have been highly unlikely to do that, but He did tell them the world was round, when He said he would return but they knew not His understanding of that.
  Man put it in to Chapters and Verses, so did man corrupt the scriptures by doing that? No, he did not, it helps to learn it and to locate passages.  Reciting them things in the creed, are the Word, not in Chapter and Verse, but the Word just the same, Jesus is the Word and He is all in the creed. Reciting scriptures help us to learn them to memory, its all the Holy Spirit's work in us to try and obtain the knowledge of the scriptures. As Luther said, it will bring about revelation and learning the truth.  Is not the creed all the truth and the Word of God? Well, yes it is.   
  As I said in the last reply there are conditions and reasons that will not plant the truth, or will present danger. Sincerity is the key root of walking with Jesus, and as He said in John 15:7 "If ye abide in me, and My Words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will and it shall be done unto you." {KJV} The creed is putting that abide in there, and if you abide in Him. When I try to memorize scripture the Holy Spirit has brought me revelation to its meaning, when I first begin to pray on the Armor of God, it was the Spirit giving me revelation to what its understanding and knowledge and wisdom of it and it continues to enlighten me in God's will for me and understanding when the Spirit prompts me to His guidance.
  But faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, {KJV} Romans 10:17, it is the Word. The Holy Spirit, the hound of Heaven was after me along time because of them seeds of the Word planted in me in my youth, how ever they were spoken to me. In creed, or song, when the Spirit brings up scripture to me I don't recall where it is written till I need to find it, or else it's Strongest Strong time. But the Spirit discerns it in me to understand its revelation, its Him who gives me the scripture.
1 Corin. 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.   {KJV} That whole chapter is rich in what the Spirit does in revelation. And about man's wisdom and the Words of the creed are not man's wisdom or just word's they are from the Word.
  I'm sure the men that brought it in the form of the creed, took all the necessary leads of the Spirit to make no doubt in its presentation of the Gospel and Word of God. Maybe if they would have added at the beginning of it "For it is written", then Christians would not have developed fear over the "Pure Words of God" in a creed form.
  Everything we say of the Word of God and all our actions and thoughts and speech should have in Jesus name at the conclusion of them, one day they will, upon His return.

May the Lord bless thee and keep
Only Always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble