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61  Theology / Debate / Re: Is there a DIFFERENCE between Matt 28:19 and Mark 16:15-18 ??? on: December 29, 2010, 04:03:26 PM
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 Saul/Paul  has not yet been saved or given the new message of the Mystery , Acts 20:24 , NOR  yet commissioned by Acts 9:15 .

So you mean only after the dispute over the circumcision (Acts 15) uncircumsized men could be saved? Paul was merely reiterating what is the truth, he wasn't inventing it. Uncircumsized men could be saved since the garden of Eden. And isn't it weird that if the Ethiopian eunuch became a Jew first and was therefore circumsized, that the Bible doesn't mention it? I mean circumcision is quite an operation, of which the Bible testifies in Genesis 34:24-25, so it isn't some minor thing that isn't worth mentioning.  And if the eunuch was already circumsized before he met Philip, why doesn't the Bible just call him a jew? If the Bible calls the eunuch and Ethiopian and not a jew at all, he wasn't a jew. It is as simple as that.

Ummmm just a quick point here....do you know what it means to be made a eunuch?  There is no circumcision after becoming a eunuch....to put it plainly...there is nothing left to circumcize.
62  Theology / Debate / Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ?? on: December 29, 2010, 03:56:46 PM
So Dan....let me get this strait, just so I can insure the imagery in my mind is correct.

Your original post was

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Hi to all and I know that answers will vary .

 We know that the Nation of  ISRAEL  will be united and will  "  be a Kingdom of Priests during the  Millennium  (   Ex 19:6  ;  1 Peter 2:9  )

 We know that the  New Covenant and Abrahamic  , Palestinian , and Davidic  Covenant  will all be in operation !   If you agree ??

 I am interested in ,  HOW  WILL  THE  GENTILES  BE  SAVED  IN  THE  MILLENNIUM Huh?

 What say you Huh

But then in your last post you say

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Hi Brother Jerry , and sorry , but Matt 25 happens  BEFORE  the Millennium begins ,  where the judgment of the Nation and the only ones that enter are the Jews who are Priests in the Millennium Ex 19:6 .

So you start by asking how the Gentiles will be saved and then your latest is that there will be no Gentiles even in the Millennium?  So you bait your post with a question with false intentions of trying to lure people in and attempt to bash them with what you think is the correct answer?  Nothing like a little deceptive trolling going on there.

Why not simply have posted your position of how you feel there will be no Gentiles in the Millennium and gone from there?

This is entirely why I have continued to ask you to lay out what you believe the millennium to be, it is not a difficult process or complex either.  I could tell right from the first post that you had ulterior motives.  And now it becomes even more evident.  So let's get back to it Dan...tell us what you believe the millennium to consist of.  Cause if the peeks behind the curtain I have seen so far are what I think the outcome would be, then I would suggest some further study, and when we get there, I will provide some Scripture for you.
63  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 27, 2010, 04:40:52 PM
Yea you will need to retype this one...

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The Bible ansewer is found in cts 10:47,48- - - JK esus said "efarch the scriptures"---duva

I was able to make out the rest fairly easily enough...but since this one had a verse it in...I did not want to "speculate" on what verse it was.

64  Theology / Debate / Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ?? on: December 27, 2010, 04:31:18 PM
Go and read Revelations 20 and tell us what happens AFTER the millennial time period.
65  Theology / Debate / Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ?? on: December 27, 2010, 08:49:01 AM
Ok only because I like too.

Who says anyone will need to be saved?  Satan is bound....Chris is king...what part of the millenial descriptions gives you any indication there will be lost?
66  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 27, 2010, 08:41:49 AM
Hi Mr. Rogers

Two things about I Cor.12:13 without advancing further on it.  1.  In the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Jesus IS the one doing the baptizing.  Here the Spirit is said to "by" although some translations use the word "in".  Whichever word used ( by or in ) Jesus is the dministrator of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Second, the text says "all" received it.  Would it be safe to assume such?

I see there is a renewed interest in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, so, perhaps the stage is set again to ask 2 questions asked before but recieving no answers.

l.  Is the baptism of the Spirit a command or a promise?

2. Is water baptism a command or promise

As always, I wish you all well---duval

See you continue to try and ask these questions as if you are some sort of robot, and yet there is not a settlement on the premise of your questions to begin with.  Now you have expanded your mentions by stating it is Jesus administering the baptism.  And it is the Holy Spirit which Jesus is using to baptize....which means the Holy Spirit is washing away the sins...which even when you want to try and argue the point, the Holy Spirit is Jesus is God, they are three one, so the point is irrelevant in truth.
I can and believe have answered
1) Promise, because the Bible says that if we believe in the Gospel of Jesus, that God will cleanse us of our sin.
2) Neither, to state it is a command would indicate that there is a consequence for failure to act. 
67  Theology / Debate / Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ?? on: December 22, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Hi Brother Jerry and whether there is a Millennium , as I said to duval will have to be a separate  OP ,  and will be glad to do that later .

 Dan 2:34-35 , 44 , and 45 .

 Also Matt 21:43 , 44 , 45 .

 Were not the disciples looking for Israel to be restored again Acts 1:6  and there is a lot more ,  dan p

Dan please read my question again....it was not whether or not there is/will be a Millennium...it was for you to define what you felt the Millenium entails....what is it, basically.
68  Theology / Debate / Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ?? on: December 21, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Yeah Dan I think in order to answer your question you may want to first clarify what you feel the millennium will be, Biblicly.
69  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 21, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Hello Jerry:

Your post was not addressed to anyone so I shall take the liberty of giving answer but to your question.

"So then a question:
What baptism was Jesus talking about in Mark 10:39? 

"They said unto Him, "We are able", and Jesus said unto them, "The cup that I drink ; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized."

In a recent post I wrote there were at least (PLEASE NOTE THAT WORD LEAST) 3 BAPTISMS IN THE NT.  I said that because I felt this question would arise and sure enough you have brought it up.  Those baptisms are 1. Holy Spirit;  2.  water and 3. fire.  Now you ask about Mark 10:39  As we study the text, to me at least, its a baptism of suffering.  Note the context speaks of suffering.  Things having to do with disciple ship, shame, rejection, mocking, scourging the cross etc.  Jesus aske them can you do this?  Are you willing to drink this cup I drink."

God Bless
duval

A baptism of suffering....so there are now 4 baptisms mentioned in the NT?

The point being that I agree that there are multiple baptism mentioned in the Bible, and more specifically the NT.
There is the Baptism by/of the Holy Spirit which is also described as cleansing of sins, or salvation.
There is water baptism, which is a symbolic gesture performed by individuals to do in accordance to the obedience of Jesus Christ.  While something we should do, it gives us nothing spiritually, it is simply a gesture to follow in Jesus footsteps.
Then fire baptism, which I do not think is being contested.
70  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 20, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
If water baptism saves, then I have been saved at least once every day since birth.

If water baptism saves, then the Bible is incorrect and the thief on the cross is NOT in heaven with Jesus.

If you are trying to say that water baptism is the state we are in now, then John the Baptist was wrong in Matthew 3:11
"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

If we are not baptized by Jesus with the Holy Spirit then Mark 1:8 is wrong.
"I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

John 1:33 as well
"I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

I think even you have mentioned Acts 1:5
"for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Look at Acts 19:4
"Paul said, " John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.""
In that verse alone we could not get a clearer picture that the water baptism is a symbolic gesture.  We know that John baptized with water, but here we see that it is a baptism of repentance, and this is confirmed in Mark 1:5
"And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins."
It is quite apparent that the physical act of baptism is purely a symbolic gesture for a 'heart change' of repentance.

So a question then:
What Baptism was Jesus talking about in Mark 10:39?
"They said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized."
71  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 14, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
Duval,

I am really not certain what circle you are trying to go around.

You are trying to say that the Holy Spirit does not wash away the sins, but yet you have also not said what supposedly does either.

72  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 13, 2010, 06:03:36 PM
Really...

There is not a verse that says that Jesus Christ baptizes either.

Really....

You do not get the correlation between baptism and washing of sins and such?

Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'
for one.

1 John 1:7 tells us what it is that cleanses us "and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin."

And as we already know Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one as it is.

So what are you actually missing here?
73  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 13, 2010, 01:58:01 PM
Hi Dan P

We can conclude then that no scripture teaches sins are washed in Holy Spirit bapism, Right? 

Now, may I ask, does the scripture teach sins are washed when "filled" with the Holy Spirit?

God bless,
duval

Hey Duval..

I would have to say 'no you can not conclude that there is no Scripture that teaches sins are washed in Holy Spirit Baptism' as I have brought out many verses that specifically mention baptism by the Holy Spirit.
74  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul saved ??? on: December 09, 2010, 10:55:58 AM
I concur...he was saved just as we all are saved....by Grace.
75  Theology / Debate / Re: How was Paul Baptized ?? on: December 09, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
Duval,

Not certain exactly what you are asking...but maybe this will help.

Matthew 3:11
"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8
"I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16
John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Acts 1:5
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 11:16
"And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ' John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

now I am positive that is not all the references there are to the Holy Spirit and baptism, but that was simply doing a quick search for the phrase "Holy Spirit" and getting the verses that speak of being baptized in, or with the Holy Spirit.
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