I am a little late to the party, but welcome to the forum.  There are several great individuals on here, and most have already extended to you a great hand...er typed message of welcome. 

I hope you enjoy the time and if you have any questions or anything let us know.

Welcome to this forum Tammy,

I hope that you do find your time here good and enjoyable.  We are praying for you in this time.

But I would also recommend you reach out to your pastor, and if you do not have one, then I would strongly suggest that you get one.   Having someone local that you can talk to and pray with is always a great thing.  And if you can find someone to help disciple you so that you can understand better what God has in store for you, then that helps out too.

Thanks PR....was getting busy at work, so did not have chance to dig up more.  But that was one I was heading too

WGT....DUH....sorry had a moment of brain flatulence. 

So how does it being WGT have anything to do with the judgment in Rev 20.  Sorry you just had not explained your stance on that and how that has any relevance.

I showed you where they partook of the bread that Christ called His body.  There is more to support the Disciples are part of the body of Christ, than there is for you to say it started with Paul.

Dan,

You may attempting to learn a little Greek, but I would also recommend you learn to post a point.  Your post is all over the place with no substance to let anyone know what you are really talking about.

You start with this

, and most believers are struck at Matt 16 , and believe that the  EKKLESIA/ASSEMBLY  means Church

Now there is a lot to cover in Chapter 16 of Matthew.  I mean there is the Pharisees testing Jesus, Peter confessing to Jesus, Jesus foretelling of His death, and tons of minor details in between.  So what in Matthew 16 are you referring too?

You then state

which is not true , because the  Body of Christ is the Body of Christ with Christ as the Head .

So you said in previos portion that most accept ekklesia to mean church, or assembly, or congregation, but you say that is not true because the Body of Christ is the Body of Christ with Christ as the head?  Well no kidding, I mean the body of Christ is the body of Christ.

Then finally you state

Matt 16 , does not  PRESENT  it that way !!!

ok.

Now I have only deal with your first attempt at a point here.  And here is an overview of it, if I am piecing it together properly, and correct me if I am wrong.
You are referring to Matthew 16:18 which states
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. (NASB)

So with that in mind you say that it should not be "church" there, but do not really give us any reason to not interpret that verse to mean church, as in the assembly of believers, who do make up the body of Christ.  It is obvious that Jesus was not talking bout a church, as in a brick and mortar building, or even a specific group of believers, such as the Apostles.  He was speaking of the entire assembly of believers.

Then you attempt to say that Matthew 16 does not present it that way, but you have not even really shown how it was supposed to be shown, and you did not show how it was supposedly incorrect.  This sort of stance is liken to me simply stating "You are wrong" and providing you no details as to what you are wrong about, or why you are wrong about it.

And then we get into ultra dispensationalism
Even though just like your first point, you do not present your evidence well or in a clear thought out process.  But if I get this correct you are saying that Paul was the first person saved.  Because in 1 Timothy 1:15 and 16, the verses should be translated as only meaning 'first' instead of 'foremost' or 'chief'.  And you interpret 'first' to imply that with Paul there is a different dispensation, that somehow Paul becomes the first of something new. 

So let me address a couple of things in this by bringing out the Scirpture
1 Timothy 15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. (NASB)

Paul starts off with stating that you can bank on what he is about to say, that it is deserving of acceptance as being true.  What was Paul talking about?  "that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners".  I am sure we can both agree to that.  Now the last portion where Paul says he is 'foremost of all'.  You would say that the proper way to interpret that verse would be to say Paul was the 'first' of which Jesus saved.  But to say that you would have to say that there were no sinners before Paul, and we both know that is not true. 

We have to look at who Paul is.  Saul was probably responsible for more Christian death's than any one before him, and possibly after him.  Saul had more followers of Christ imprisoned.  Saul was the Pharisees "Darth Vader"  And it becomes evident in Paul's writings that he still has a tinge of remorse over that.  He is utterly grateful that God has forgiven him for persecuting his followers and blaspheming Jesus in the manner that Saul did...but we see that come through in some of Paul's writings.
1 Timothy 1:15 where he calls himself the biggest sinner of all basically.
1 Corinthians 15:9 where he tells the church he is not worthy to be called an Apostle because he persecuted God's church.

You went on about Eimi Ego which is translated as 'I am' and attempt to say that because Paul used it and Jesus also used then Paul is the first.  John the Baptist used it too, when he said "I am not fit to remove His sandals" and the centurian when he said "Lord, I am not worthy for you to come undery my roof."  And there are dozens of other references of other people using 'I am' and the same eimi ego.  Sorry that argument holds absolutely no weight.  That is like saying because Jesus also used the word "food" that Ronald McDonald is the first of the body of Christ.

And then you switch back to talking of protos and first and say "this means that Paul was the FIRST MEMBER in the Body of Christ"
And I have to ask you a couple of questions here.
What about Peter, James, John, and the other 8?  What about the people in mentiond there in Acts 2:47 where it says that "the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved"?

We see that Christ broke bread and had the last supper with the Disciples and referenced the bread as His body.  And Christ says that it is for them.  Paul refers to the same thing in 1 Corinthians 10:17 and says that "we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread." This would put Paul in the same category as the Disciples to partook of the one bread that Jesus had to offer.  And one that Jesus refers to himself as also in John 6:35 where He says He is the bread of life.  So Paul is clearly seen as not being any different than the Disciples, that there is no extra dispensation, nor does there need to be.  Paul ate of the same bread that James, John, Peter, and the others ate of, that which was the bread of Life that Jesus offered. 

WGT?

HOpe you are home now.  And we are still praying for her, and for you during this time.  Recovery can sometimes be worse than the attack.

Woohooo glad to hear that....now don't keep her up late tonight drinking and smoking stogies

Dan thank you.

Have a couple of questions and requests.

Please place core Scripture references with your time frame, so that we can know where you get your ideas from Biblicly.

Second, would you not have the other judgment as described at the end of Rev 20?

And not certain what you are referring to on #5 and #6 since you did not specify any real "event" that would fit into your timeline....but not certain if it is pertinent since we are talking the millennium.

Duval,

You contradict yourself here.....

To nChris you state

  I DO however agree with your affirmation:"Not a single pserson has ever been saved by water baptism, works, or obedience to the law."

but earlier to me you stated just the opposite

You asked: "what is the consequence of not being baptized (water)?"
My answer:  Hell.  Mark 16:15,16.

Roger also pointed out this error.

But let me address something here...you say that if you are not baptized by water, you will go to hell....where did the thief go that was on the cross with Jesus?  Or how about this, how many of the disciples are we told were baptized?

So once again dan you do not answer the question directed to you.

Describe and explain what you feel the millenium is, what does it consist of.  Go ahead and give us a timeline if you like, highlighting the key points.

Yeah big side track there

Circumcisions was OT  baptism....a symbolic gesture of faith, it was not what saved anyone.

Hi Jerry

Yes, I will re do my last question which was:
IS WATER BAPTISM A COMMAND OR PROMISE?

 Your answser was: ''Neither, to state it is a command would indicate that there is a consequence for failure to act.

Jerry, my answer to yours is:  water baptism IS a command to be obeyed, and I cite as proof Acts 10:47,48.  Please read that.  You are right in saying that if a command it "would indicate that there is a consequence for failiure to act."

Thus Holly Spirit baptism was a PROMISE TO BE RECEIVED ( MATT.3:11) and water baptism is a "COMMAND TO BE OBEYED."

Thank you for re-typing that one.  does help.

Ok now let me ask you something....also given conversation with Dan.

What is the consequence of not being baptized (water)?

What do you define as Holy Spirit baptism, since you seem to differentiate that from being baptized with the Holy Spirit?

[19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."]

Hi to all , and there will always be heavy discussion concerning Matt 28:19-20 , on whether it is for us or not  !

 Then you have MARK 16:15-18 ,  and I know that these 2 passage happen at different points of time in the Tribulation .

 #1 , I can show the word Gentile / ETHNOS  does  not always mean Gentile in verse 19 .

 #2 , The Nation of Israel  Rejected John the Baptist preaching . Luke 7:30 .

 #3 , Israel was given 3 opportunities  to accept their  MESSIAH ,   Acts 13:46  ;  Acts 18:6  and  Acts 28:25-31 .

 #4 , Israel has been set aside for over 2000 years , " until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in "  Rom 11:25 .

 #5 , John the Baptist was commissioned to reach the Jews and not Gentiles , Matt 3:11 .

 #6 , John the Baptist was to be  MANIFESTED  to Israel and not to Gentiles  , John 1:31 .

 #7 , This Baptism will be preached , during the first  3  1/2  part of the Tribulation .

 #8 , Baptism was  never  given to the Gentiles at all .

 #9 , Since   the Temple and the Sacrifices were destroyed in 70 AD , there is no Priesthood and I do not see any Jewish  MISSIONARIES  lately , have you ??

 I have seen many  OP  on the 144,000 , but no one ever says  why the 144,000  are  SEALED

 #1 , I believe that the last  3 1/2  years of the Tribulation , is when Mark 16:15-18 are fulfilled .

 #2 , Baptism will again be preached .

 #3 , But sign are to  FOLLOW  ,  and did they follow you ??

 #4 , Cast out demons , because Israel was Demon possessed during Jesus time and will happen again !

 #5 Speak in new tongues , you did it , right ??

 #6 , Take up serpents and the will happen in Rev 9:19  and the 144,000 will never be  HURT .

 #7 , And   CAN  drink any deadly thing since they Have been  SEALED  ,  Rev 8:11,  for many died drinking the water .

 #8 , And they shall  LAY  hand on the sick and they  SHALL  RECOVER .

  And this why Matt 28 and Mark 16:15-18 are  Inconsistent  for they are 2 time periods .

 And yes the  KJV  ONLY  people are near us and the Chairman of our board you to attend and they feel  an assembly near us ..  I never have believed in  DOUBLE  INSPIRATION  and they feel that there is .  I believe that there are about 160  different translation , but they say that God preserved the English  KJV  for English speaking people .

Dan...

Let me be blunt

WHAT are you talking about?!

Both sections you are referring to are called the Great Commission and they are not in reference to the Tribulation period.  You say there is great discussion about Matthew, and you could not be further from the truth...no one is debating that at all.  Maybe you got your verses crossed, but let me post them here for you.

Matthew 28:16-20
16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Mark 16:14-20
14 Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen.
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.
20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.] [And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.]

It is clear these verses are talking to the same group of people, at the same time.....the 11 Disciples, after His resurrection....and we see that they went right out and started preaching everywhere.