The topic of the Apostle Creed was brought up in Aug. I can't remember the persons name. He did say that he didn't think the Apostles Creed was scriptural. I will show it here and perhaps he can point out the errors that he finds in this Creed.
 
Apostles' Creed

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1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen.

Please keep in mind the word 'catholic' means, universal. It does not mean the Roman Catholic Church. Although they do recite this Creed .

God bless,
bluelake

i understand matt 28, but have you read the instruction given after jesus was crucified? try acts 2:38-than peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of jesus christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost. you can also look at acts 8:12, acts 8:16, acts 19:4-5, and romans 6:3. these were the instruction given after jesus had gave up the ghost. it is because of the power in the name of jesus christ. the great commission was given while jesus was still here in the flesh, the new commission is given after he was rasied to glory. so pastors, and teachers, and reachers, how do you baptize?

I was reading the responses you have received about your inquirery, The Trinity.
The Bible clearly teaches the Trinity. I hope that you have taken the time to read the scriptures given to you.
It has been my experience dialoging with oneness pentecostals that they aren't open to the word of God.
I will suggest a link for you to read, if you wish. It offers a great deal of information about this issue.

I would baptize using the method that Christ himself gave us. Oneness use Acts 2:38 because they deny the Trinity.

http://letusreason.org/Oneness9.htm

God bless you,
bluelake

Amen brother. The Bible says it so it is.

Hello pastor Roger,
That is a very good question which I find we must all ask ourselves.
To be born again is to be born from above. You must receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, and trust in him alone for salvation.(Jn.1:12)
The subject of baptism is other matter.

God bless,
bluelake

Many people tell us "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God. How can you say that Jesus is not God's only begotten son when Jesus says it so clearly in black and white in the Bible?" Well, first of all, as seen in the previous section, we first need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking. Let us see how they understood this proclamation.

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?

Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.
Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.
Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).
Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God." Luke 3:38.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God: "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12. "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2. "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7. "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1. "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6. "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4. "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2
As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.
Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God? Read Psalms 2:7"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Indeed, the Jews are even referred to as much more than this in the Bible, and this is indeed the very trait which Jesus (pbuh) held against them. When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..." John 10:34: (he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High..")

As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same. Are we beginning to see what drove the most learned men of the Anglican Church to recognize the truth? But let us move on.

Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading "Jesus Christ," says: "During his earthly life Jesus was addressed as rabbi and was regarded as a prophet. Some of his words, too, place him in the category of sage. A title of respect for a rabbi would be "my Lord." Already before Easter his followers, impressed by his authority, would mean something more than usual when they addressed him as "my Lord.".... it is unlikely that the title "Son of David" was ascribed to him or accepted by him during his earthly ministry. "Son of God," in former times a title of the Hebrew kings (Psalms 2:7), was first adopted in the post-Easter church as an equivalent of Messiah and had no metaphysical connotations (Romans 1:4). Jesus was conscious of a unique filial relationship with God, but it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself" .

There seems to be only two places in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) refers to himself as "son of God." They are in John chapters 5 and 11. Hastings in "The dictionary of the Bible" says: "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." Regardless, we have already seen what is meant by this innocent title. However, Jesus is referred to as the "son of Man" (literally: "Human being") 81 times in the books of the Bible.

In the Gospel of Barnabas, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) knew that mankind would make him a god after his departure and severely cautioned his followers from having anything to do with such people.

Jesus was not the son of a human man (according to both the Bible and the Qur'an). However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why? It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

What was he trying to tell us by constantly repeating and emphasizing to us throughout the New Testament "I am a human being," "I am a human being," "I am a human being"?. What had he foreseen? Think about it!

Do Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus? The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible (see below). As we are beginning to see, one of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation. We shall see more and more examples of this throughout this book.

Islam teaches that Jesus (pbuh) was a human being, not a god. Jesus (pbuh) continually emphasized this to his followers throughout his mission. The Gospel of Barnabas also affirms this fact.

Once again, Grolier's encyclopedia says: "...Most problematical of all is the title "Son of Man." This is the only title used repeatedly by Jesus as a self-designation, and there is no clear evidence that it was used as a title of majesty by the post-Easter church. Hence it is held by many to be authentic, since it passes the criterion of dissimilarity."

Yes, Jesus is God. Please read Jn.1:1 And the Word was with
God and the Word was God.
1Jn.5:20  and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Isa.7:14, Mt.1:23 Jn.20:28 Rom.9:5 Col.2:9 Heb. 1:8 !Jn.5:11

God bless,
bluelake

Trinty, this is the teaching of God in the persons of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each fully God, each showing full divine nature. Luke3:21,22

The Father is the fountainhead of the Trinity, the creator, the first cause. The Son is the LOGOS or expression of God, the holy begotten one of the Father and He is God. He reveals the Father to us. John 5:17

The Son of God is both the agent of creation and mankind's only redeemer.

The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead or Trinity, proceeds from the Father and is worshipped and glorified together with the Father and the Son. He inspired the scriptures, empowers the saints, and convicts the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement. (John16:

This is a mystery that will be understood once we enter heaven.

I like your response. The Bible teaches the Trinity. There is one God.
 The Father is God. 1 Pet.1:2
The Son is God. Heb.1:8
The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4
We must seek to know Him as He is in truth. God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jn.4:24, 14:6, 17, 15:26, 16:13

Merry Christmas,
bluelake

I would like to add a diferent twist on Psalm 22.
Psa 22:1   My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Man in great distress cries out. Jesus as the last Adam cries out:
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

When Jesus cried he cried for all mankind as our representative. He was cut off but not for himself. He was in the likeness of sinful flesh, yet without sin. Christ was crucified as the last Adam.

But did God the Father actually forsake Jesus. The answer is no.

Verse 24 of the same Psalm says:
Psa 22:24  For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

This proves that Jesus was not forsaken. As the last Adam he felt like He was forsaken so he cried out "WHY?" This speaks of His humanity his oneness with us, his identification with us. He felt our forsakenness when He took our sins in his own body on the tree. But he was heard on our behalf by the Father who so loved us that He did not forsake us but rather took our sins and cast them as far as the east is from the west!

Christ was crucified as the last Adam but was not forsaken because He was raised as the second Man. In His resurrection we find humanity given a new sart as the new Man. In Christ we are a New Man. Out of Jews and Gentiles He calls us to be one New Man in Christ.

Eph 2:15  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Eph 4:22  That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23  And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24  And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

asaph

You seem to be interpreting the scriptures that you gave.

bluelake

Actually, tongues is the first evidence when one is baptized with the Holy Spirit. Read Acts and look up all the references to the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Do I understand you correctly to be saying if a person does not speak in tongues that they have not been baptised with the Holy Spirit?

Yes. Tongues is the evidence that someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. But that does NOT mean that a born again believer does not have the Holy Spirit residing in them. When one is born again, they receive the Holy Spirit - He comes and lives inside us.

The baptism with "fire", however, is a separate and unique experience, with tongues the evidence of the event.

What are the scriptures that tell us 'tongues is the evidence of the baptism with fire'?

You convenietly left out the scripture that teaches this.
The people in Acts 2,10,19 spoke in human languages.
The Bible tells us not all received this gift. 3000, 5000 in Acts 4:4,31 and 2:41 1Cor.12:30 Please tell me how you understand these passages.

We are saved at the moment of our faith. The believers in the Acts passages were all believers, then they received the gift of tongues. Please read Rom.10:9-10, 1Cor.12:13.

The initial 'evidence doctrine' was coined by the UPCI .It is a false doctrine, in my opinion. It also is not scriptural.

God bless you as you search fot the truth in His word.

bluelake

Hello agian everyone. I intended to place a poll under this forum but put it under the Prayer Forum instead. But I will give some of the information here. I started a poll on a couple of other sites about the Ten Commandments. Here are the links to those sites.
http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?t=7272
http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2977
You can go them and vote or just simply go to the Prayer Forum here and vote. I am interested in seeing the results. Thanks and God Bless

Why do you think that the Ten Commandments have been done away with?
Did people stop sinning when the New Covenant came upon the scene? I don't think so. We still believe in one God and the Commandments that he gave us.
Jesus said,
Mt.4:10, Lu.16:13, Mt.5:23, Mk.2:27, 28, Mt.10:37, Mt.5:22,
Mt.5:28, Mt.5:40, Mt.12:36, Lu.12:15

God bless you as you study them again.

bluelake

This subject has been discussed before, but I can't find it.
I wanted to add this lesson I've been searching for and I finally found it. It's from 2001.  
I lean toward amillenialism. This lesson will explain why. I realize there are good arguments for each side, as it states in this report, but I believe Christ will come back for his Church at the end of the age. JN.6:44, 6:54, Jn.11:24 Mt.24:3,31, 1Cor.15:52 The last trumpet, the dead will be raised.
Please go to  http://www.mslick.com/2ages.htm

God bless you,
bluelake

        It recently came to my attention that the Apostles Creed isnt entirely Biblical. Well if you dont believe in the trinity than there are certainly problems with the Creed. However there is a bit of information that I found to be completely false. The part of the Creed where it says Jesus descended setting the captives free. Jesus never went to hell to defeat satan. He didnt have to. He beat him ultimately on the cross.

           There are bits of temptation delievered to Jesus by satan throughout the Gospels and he resisted all of them and refered to scripture for his defense. However it states nowhere that he went into hell before rising to heaven.

            I've thought about and analysed it and I dont go with the trinity either I dont think they work separately..I think they are all together all the time...

Then, where did He go before He resurrected?

He was in the Tomb..The Holy Spirit lifted him up on the 3rd day....

Maybe getting a Bite to eat before..

The spirit doesn't die and it doesn't stay in a dead body either.  Where was His spirit before He resurrected?

Jesus commanded his spirit to go to the father on the cross..


Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Col 2 says that Jesus won the fight on the cross

Luke 23:42.  "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
 43.  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Ollie,
Your questions are typical of a person who does not know who Jesus Christ is.
You asked, Where did he go before he was resurrected? What are you talking about. Where did who go?
Do you know who Jesus is?
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One God. They are never separate.
 Read Jn.14: 23-26  Please pay close attention to the grammer in these scriptures.
Tell me, how do you interpret these passages?

God bless you,
bluelake

Hello Bluelake,

It's also nice to see you back on the forum. I'm not sure about what you are asking in some of your questions. We do have several threads on the forum with huge amounts of detail. There is a lot of confusion that can be solved by understanding that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two different events.

At the Second Coming, the LORD comes all the way down to the earth. The Saints will be caught up to meet the LORD in the air at the Rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NASB  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.    Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

This is not the Second Coming, but it is the Rapture.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Corinthians 2:2-5 ASV  For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.  And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.  And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:  that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Thank you for your reply. Not all churches teach pre -Tribulation.
. 'The main differences of opinion concern the time of the rapture. The primary theories are: 1) Pretribulation rapture; 2) Midtribulation rapture; 3) Posttribulation rapture; 3) Partial rapture, which is sort of a Marine Corps rapture where only the perfect, only the brave, only the few are worthy to be raptured before the wrath of God is poured out; 5) Postmillenial rapture; and 6) Amillenialist rapture. Take your pick. '

(. . . There is also the new theory of No Rapture.)

I believe Jesus will come back one time. I understand that not all believe as I do. It's been awhile since I've done a study on this topic.
Concerning the questions, I included scriptures that support the questions.  

God bless you,
bluelake.

[I hope and pray that JESUS comes for us soon. This old world is getting more evil by the minute.]

Dreamweaver,

EXCELLENT! - I've never seen so much hard-hitting information packed into such a small brief. You also mentioned some unique things that I've never considered. I'm thinking back to some huge discussions we've had here that one could spend many hours just reading.

I just have one more thought for tonight - I hope and pray that JESUS comes for us soon. This old world is getting more evil by the minute.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Timothy 4:7-8 ASV  I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith:  henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give to me at that day; and not to me only, but also to all them that have loved his appearing.

Hi everyone,
When I replied to The first post it was late . I didn't have the energy to give a satisfactory reply. This time I will include scripture.  

1Thes.3:13, Jude14 will the saints be with Jesus at His return?
1Thes 4:16-17 Every eye will see him, every ear will hear, a shout a loud trumpet. Does this sound like a secret?
Mt.24;30-31 1Cor.15:20-23
Saints come with Jesus at His retrurn because the resurrection takes place at this time.
Mt.24:31, 1Thes.4:16
Will Christ descend from heaven quietly?
 1Cor.15:15-52
Will the raising of thre dead (the resurrection) and the changing from immortality, for those living, take place at the Last Trump?
Rev.11:15-19
What happens when the 7th. angel sounds ? Is this  a trumpet blast? (Chapter 8:1-26) Is Christ to have  great power? Are the dead to be judged and rewarded at this time?
Is the heaven of God to become visible?
Http://www.keithhunt.com/rapture.html

God bless you,
bluelake

Christ will come back one time. It won't be a secret. Every eye will see Him.
1Cor.15
Christ is indeed coming back, Once, are you ready?

God bless you,
bluelake

        It recently came to my attention that the Apostles Creed isnt entirely Biblical. Well if you dont believe in the trinity than there are certainly problems with the Creed. However there is a bit of information that I found to be completely false. The part of the Creed where it says Jesus descended setting the captives free. Jesus never went to hell to defeat satan. He didnt have to. He beat him ultimately on the cross.

           There are bits of temptation delievered to Jesus by satan throughout the Gospels and he resisted all of them and refered to scripture for his defense. However it states nowhere that he went into hell before rising to heaven.

            I've thought about and analysed it and I dont go with the trinity either I dont think they work separately..I think they are all together all the time...

Rich,
The entire Apostles Creed is Bible based.
I had to get my old Catechism out to make sure that I gave you the correct answer.
"What do the scriptures teach of Christ's descent into hell?"
 The scriptures teach that Christ, having been made alive in the grave, descended into hell, not to suffer, but to proclaim His victory over His enemies.
" Christ was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit; which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison." 1Pet.3:18,19

What is your belief concerning the Godhead?

God bless you,
bluelake

Cloning?? this reminds me of a story I just read in one of my Daily Devotionals.
 A couple of scientist decided they could do without God. So they Told God just that. 'We don't need you anymore. We can create men now.' God listened patiently, then said to them, 'Alright, Lets have a man making contest. We'll do it like I did in the beginning. The scientists agreed. They reached down for a handful of dirt, God said, '"no, you get your own dirt.."  

Who created the world and everything in it?

God bless you,
bluelake