Ouch!

That's quite a blanket statement my friend.

Of course not all Americans, but rightly divided all evil "period" shall suffer for their unrighteous works.

As you have said.

There in lies the problem...

The references placed within the text often are unrelated to the subject, and are placed there by key words only. Meaning that anytime a few words match such as "Star fell from Heaven" they are listed along with each account of these words. This is a bad thing when attempting to rightly divide the word of God.

But let's not dabble in that realm, instead try the simple process of trying what is written and you will see differences in the two examples making them different from each other.

A "great" star would denote a Good angel, and when satan was fallen the reference you refered to denotes "How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst
weaken in the nations-(pay close attention to this it is critical later)" meanwhile, cast down  is not great but embarrassing to say the least for the one called satan.

Let the word dictate the Truth:

Revelation 20 contains the same scene as Revelation 9 as if a different camera shot the same scene, both being at the same time, from a different angle. That is the way of the Word that is unrecognized this day by most who study it. To rightly divide the Word one must find this secret or hidden fact and then learn to spot when one camera (so to speak) turns off and another turns on reviewing the same scene from a different angle.

The scene we now discuss from a different angle...

1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more-(this is the part mentioned above that should be paid close attention to), till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

You will find a hidden blueprint to these "cameras" that shows where the books of revelation line up both across - to denote one camera on each line, and vertically - to denote where a scene matches in time at one of the sites we are preparing for a future event. I will place the image here and you are welcome to study it and see if you can find references that match in certain chapters as they connect up and down while finding each line to be an account of the same scene over above and below it. The 22nd chapter stands alone as the whole like one camera making a quick review of the whole scene therefore it is seperate at the bottom only because it starts in line with the others as they run through the scene from the start and the scene above it displayed as chapters 19-21 starts from a different or later point of reference.

I am full aware that this conversation took but a few moments but the wisdom and hidden facts contained within it take much time to spot and be seen.

"Blessed are the eyes which see the things that you now see, for many Kings and Prophets have desired to see them, and have not."

I will be called away for a short while, I will check in when I can. If I fail to respond now or ever know it is because I can not and not because I will not.

In your service.

John.

[but only those men which have "not" the seal of God in their foreheads]

Seven_Tides

Beautiful study process if I may say so, but there are critical problems within it's content.

In reading the quotes from scripture you have provided I see alterations from the actual text as in a revised or altered edition of the Bible. Which version are you studying?

Second I would re-read concerning the Destroyer and ponder this: Ok read first and ponder later...


Revelation:9

3
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have "not" the seal of God in their foreheads.
5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

18
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19
For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

The ones being "tormented" are in torment for what they have heard from the very ones described by most as the bad guys.

Read it carefully and tell me the part that says these are the evil ones. (Abaddon and those with him.) Even the name is backwards as abba don is spelled aba ddon.

You will find that Destroyer works both ways. If you are the good guys and have come to destroy the ways of those who proudly sin, Destroyer is a good thing. And if the Truth is torturing you even the torture is a good thing, no?

I am not putting a curve on this segment I am stopping one. Look at it closely and tell me what you see for yourself.



The word Star is flexable. We use it every day to signify the key players in a good movie as well as sports and all other prospective arenas of competition. Is it not written that Heaven is under attack and with the sword of the mouth (The Word) Angels shall fight.

You are right on in feeling they might be Angels of the Lord. (The Stars)

Expansion:

If the Pit were to be the web. And the key happened to be the thing that unlocked it for the world to better see and use, would that not make Bill Gates a candidate for the Angelic position described because of windows?

He's a man not an Angel you say?

I would say re-read the scripture more carefully!

(This is where I install a ton of scripture but instead I will just mention a couple of things)

 There is but one Judgement day, and besides scripture calling the worthy the Angels of the Lord, I can quote Him directly concerning judgement day.

"Know ye not that we judge angels?"

I say this to your edification and along the path which is truth I desire all who walk to look carefully and see the Truth.

I must also mention something very important directly from the Lord. In the time frame described often as "In that day" the Lord has said, "The greatest shall be least, and the least shall be greatest"

"The first last and the last first."

Trust that I can make mention of many things that will stear those who seek in the right direction, but in the end it is for them to find by their own efforts. (The whole truth I mean) And to reveal all things would rob them of that chance. Therefore, I only point and watch as they go about their way to seeing and saying it is truth.

That's when you have found Him.


(P.S. comcerning the third part of men know this: There are three kinds of men today and they are known by their level of belief. )

I knew the whole time. (sought and found proof)
I shall believe just in case. (heard a little and are afraid)
You must think I have lost my mind. (forget it)

Which third would you say will hear and be tormented by the sting of the Truth?

In your service.

John.

As you have said.

John.

In re-reading these threads I noticed that I didn't make clear the end result of what I learned from examining the Bible Codes theory and practice found by others.

In applying what I had seen, I found the process to be quite real and fruitful as far as it's validity and reasoning. I also found it to be applicable by anyone wishing to pursue it and try it for themselves. I came to see that it was possible to find hidden events within the text of scripture behind the scenes using selective equations such as every twenty first letter for example (only), and came to realize that there are pre-adventured events given ahead of there actual happening dates. I further found that on a deep level it was not only possible but very probable for events to be foretold of simply to reveal the power and wisdom of the Author and Finisher of the works.

It is what is not found that caused me to move on and not attempt to promote the finding. The events were major and being preset they leave the finder wondering if "all" events are preset. This is an untruth as most events are the result of each persons choice as they come upon things within their lives. The items found, being preset to serve the Author at a later date in showing the power of God, have no instructive nor explanation that pre-adventured events were set in motion rarely and are not the norm. For the Author to gamble and display a wisdom of knowing what men would choose in advance, and not to make them choose it, is a thin line to walk. But it is in wisdom that the events were foretold of and not command. In other words it is the act of knowing what would happen, and not making it happen no matter what, that best describes the Authors process. And that is too large and complex to try and explain. That is the reasons for laying it down and dealing with the plainly written and readable Word of God.

And while on the subject, I know of events plainly written that have been preset which are described within common scripture. Therefore it is no marvel to find them in an advanced and well hidden format.

I am sure the Author we are discussing is quite capable of underlying the obvious with the unbelievable because all things are possible with God.

Simple conclussion:

It is said that there will be a test on how well each knows the Word. The area that is dealt with in areas such as Bible Codes is not on the test. Therefore, it was filed with the other wonders that would be taken up at the Lords return. Faith is in hearing that Christ would come, and once He came, Faith is in knowing He will return at the time appointed. Every pre-adventured event within scripture including such big events as the Mark are there for the seekers and seers of the Word to reason and discuss. And to foretell that No man shall know the hour and the day yet giving a range of events in time to look for is exactly what scripture does. Checking to see if things that have already happened are listed by some code or means is taking one from looking ahead and causing them to look back.

Beware:

This is a stumbling block when the purpose is to see events unfold prior to the coming of the Lord so that you will be prepared. It stops you in your tracks finding you looking back. For this reason only I promote this kind of activity not.

But on the otherhand, for the person who is not looking, it serves to spark them into wondering what else is in the Books we call the Bible. And if the goal is that not one be lost who could have made it into the world to come, it serves Him well to place just such a snare. I will further add that in His wisdom, just in case man studied well and the Bible was revealed in it's entirity just a little early of His coming to reveal it, (you know, man not being sold short in their wisdom) would He not place grander things to occupy their wait?

Yes!

There are games hidden within scripture - believe it or not!

I can show you one if you actually read this far and would like to see. They are not real simple and for the advanced seeker, so be prepared to earn the wisdom found in the process...

In your service.

John.

[Clarification:Since you asked = He who hath an ear...I will answer = Let Him listen...**********************************Within Scripture you will find carefully placed examples of certain words that are repeated over and over again so that you become familiar with their meanings when used to represent one certain thing. This becomes apparent once you catch on and it reveals hidden things to the trained eye.Let's look at water.]

Clarification:

Since you asked = He who hath an ear...

I will answer = Let Him listen...

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Within Scripture you will find carefully placed examples of certain words that are repeated over and over again so that you become familiar with their meanings when used to represent one certain thing. This becomes apparent once you catch on and it reveals hidden things to the trained eye.

Let's look at water.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


In the above example it is clear the word water was used for things. People and places and languages.


A connection starts to appear:


Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth.

By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.

Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?

And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens; and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth: he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.

For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.


Ok lets get a little deeper:


That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (refering to the Church)

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

A quick mention that even today we say:  A sea of information, written in blood, and I just knew deep down inside.

You will find secondary quotes such as:
The Knowledge of Heaven is as the dew...

The Word being information and Christ saying come unto Him.

 If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Examples that can only mean information:

And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Dragon and Serpent being used together to identify an evil presents as in the beast which sets up the little horn which is the other beast speaking great blasphemies against the followers of Christ - Anti-Christ.

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A personal note from TheComforter

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Jesus well explained parables that were to be understood in the moment, but any reader of the scripture knows well that some parables and mysteries were left unanswered.

Example:

Three Sixes
Mystery, Babylon, The Mother Of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth - with commas to let you know it is three words.
Seven Kings
He Goat with One notable Horn

To name a few, even items such as The Key of David mentioned before, and yet no answer or clue?

Quotes such as saying once, "Think not that I come to save, but to destroy..."
And another saying, "I come not to destroy but to save..."

To the trained eye it is clear that facing the Tare He has made one statement and turning to face the Wheat He makes quite the opposite statement. Therefore, it becomes apparent that scripture in it's entirity contains both Spiritual and Carnal side by side in stereo at all times.

Besides Water, there are many words that have special meaning throughout scripture.

Grass

All flesh is as the grass.

This is one of many examples that pure carnal is as the grass.

Tree

Mine come forth as the trees.

Any man who even turns toward scripture and the Lord is as a tree instead of pure grass.

Heavenly examples even run deeply into modern civilization and slang they are so powerful as we say things like Your (fill in rhyme here) is grass.

All I am interested in is showing men (both male and female) wonders of scripture that lay hidden only because they are yet to be seen. From this moment on all who read this shall begin to see things they have never before seen and statements within scripture that unfold because you are now looking for them.

No where in my efforts will you find me discussing myself personally nor seeking praise. I am only interested in revealing what was there all along.

In His service.

John.

Ha,Ha,Ha...

I knew you would say that -  

Let me clarify!

I saw no useful purpose in the codes because the programn developed to test them and run them can only be used to enter events that have already happened in order to see if they are mentioned. While plain scripture gives reference to events that are even yet to happen.

How's That?

Peace.

Wheew!

You are into a big Boy area now!

It is almost impossible to decipher this parable without an item mentioned only twice in scripture and that is the Key of David.

I will say this.

As the Bible is the Mountain of God, so too is the Mountain refered to not a Mountain.

I found interest in the subject years ago and in my studies I saw the reasoning for their being very interesting. Beyond that I kinda- felt that with the works of unraveling the plainly written portions of scripture to understand Heavenly issues it did not serve me well to investigate earthly or carnal issues such as what might have already happened to man. The flaw in the codes is that they can not be projected into the future, only reviewed after the fact, where as scripture is about both yesterday and tomorrow all right now today.

Can't beat that!

John.

I shall never leave thee nor foresake thee, and should I foresake thee, I shall beg to take thy place in suffering should it come upon thee as a result.

And please forgive the way I Talk as I have been in service to the Lord since my creation, much less since being borne, and re-borne, and re-borne, you know what I am saying.  

Preachin, Teachin, calling to where He is.

Love, Hugs, Spirit.

John.

Who is the whore of babylon?

The Governing Body of a great nation. (Clothed with the sun- In God we trust, Moon beneath her feet- who got there first, Crown of twelve stars- signed constitution, wings like an eagle- national mascot, these are just some of the descriptions that describe this cities daughter- the public body)

What is the beast of seven heads with ten horns and ten
crowns?

The UN - (name of blasphemy - Rich- UNrich, Pretty- UNpretty, etc- UNetc...)
General Assembly, Secretariat, International Court, Security Counsel, Trusteeship Council, Social Council, Economic Council,- seven heads
Military Staff Commitee, Disarmament Commision, International Atomic Energy Agency, UN Conference on Trade and Development, UN Development Programme, International Bank, International Monitary Fund, International Finance Corporation, International Development Association- ten horns
UN Industrial Development Organization, Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization, Food and Agricultural Organization, International Labor Organization, International Civil Aviation Organization, Intergovernmental Maritime Consultative Organization, World Meteorological Organization, International Trade Organization Universal Postal Union, International Telecommunication Union,  look it up. And when it begins to unfold in your mind you will begin to see things clearly such as the three horns that are swallowed up by the pending beast and the mark -  International Bank, International Monitary Fund, International Finance Corporation. The Truth is what He means, not what we thought He meant.

When shall the first trumpet blow?

The fall of 2004.

When shall the last trumpet blow?

3 1/2 years later.

When will the christians, dead and alive, be raptured?

Those in the True body of Christ shall be shielded but shall remain to join Him at the end of all things. Pay close attention when hearing such parables as the Wheat and Tares parable. The Tares are said to be collected first, therefore, the Wheat can not be gathered before them. Two shall be at work in a field and one is gathered does not necessarily point at the favored, but can well described the lost being gathered and bundled to burn. (Please remember that burned is a term used to mean ripped off and we commonly say when angry - "That just burns me up!" Gnashing of teeth is another posture when very angry)

God Blessed is the Day in which the Lord returns to instruct His in the Truth. And forget the stereotype of an old man upon a throne as you have not seen modern and hip as it will be presented by the Lord in His return. And least we forget the Father of whom we are requested to basically ignor (heaven forbid) in this day of the Lord.

And He said unto His, Upon My return call me not My Lord, My Lord! I shall be greeted with "My Man!"

My Man? (The interpretation of what is given in scripture)

That is just too hip to be ignored!

My Man!

He is something else!

And as I am full aware of the moment in which I shall wear out my welcome here and there, forgive me in coming and going while singing His praise.

Do not worry about being fooled. When the seventh angel shall begin to sound you will know that the mystery shall be finished. It is still a little early (while the Branch is yet tender) but when it is time, you will know.

For the time is at hand, even at the gate.

His will be done.

Peace.

But a little strength do I offer His full aware of the task at hand.



It is a pleasure to serve.

Discomfort...

It is a shame that good men who profess to understand and believe Christ can't even follow His instructives that are given to let them show they have heard and believe as well as respect and follow Him.

He has said that followers shall act as well as conduct themselves a certain way just to be seen as hearing Him and then they shall correctly follow by showing Love and respect greatest to those who deserve it least.

How foolish are the proud and pompus who could very well be speaking directly to Christ, and not even know it, though the level of wisdom displayed by most claiming to be close to Him as well as even "Him", speaks for itself, usually.

What you sow, shall be sown in return, remember?

 

When shall the seven year peace pact with Israel be made?

It will not!

When will the rebuilding of the third temple in Jerusalem begin?

It will not! (It will be planned and cut short and never be, not to be confused with "New Jerusalem".)

Who is the rider on the horse described in Revelation 6?

The horse is the race (red, yellow, black, white) and the rider is the impact on each (white accepting, red arguementative, black bringing balance and accepting, yellow killing all they can who believe).

Name all the 144 000 sealed of Christ.

You wouldn't know them by their Heavenly name, and it is not allowed.

Who will be the Antichrist?

Not who, but what! But the characture setting it up is a man of great power.

Who will be the False Prophet?

Another John, as the Ancient and Honourable one is the right one.

Who are the Twenty Four Elders and the Four Beasts described in Revelation 4:4 and 5:6-11?

They are the symbols and keepers of time.

Who will be the Two witnesses?

Seeing as the Lord describes sending "one" in the last days, the two are the anti-christ and the false Prophet. (example after example of how this is so to the trained eye can be found)





But what does it matter if the answers are correct or not, when the question is -  Are you Holy, Righteous, Unjust, or Filthy? First, and then, Do you know the Word?

Let them be who they are and know them by their works!

(Let he that is filthy...etc...)

Nothing Holy lives to point out their stature, but instead to increase their numbers.

You know what He is saying?

Indeed...

Be good to others even when you shouldn't, now that's an Angel of the Lord. To argue is described in the story we call scripture as the gnashing of teeth.

Proper:

Dearest andyastro - thus far your proof is weak, and without better proofs and discussion, I am afraid you can not be the one to first come and prepare the way. But being in search of just such a character and realizing that most do not even know he is supposed to come before Christ in order to prepare the way, thank you for sparking the interest of others by causing them to wonder if one is to come at all.

Thy Fellow Servant.

Ancient and Honourable, John West.

Please.

Do Him proud, or not at all!

Peace.

Amen! Don't we all?

Peace.