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91  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Can somebody help me get a girlfriend on: November 30, 2004, 07:09:39 AM
Silver, I totally agree, I don't really agree with "dating", ie.. try before you buy type thinking. I believe that as far as you are able, be led by God to the right person. I don't see the point of dating someone and wasting time and effort on them if in the end you are not right for each other. Its futile and misdierected energy.

People also seem to think that just because someone is a Christian then they must be fine to date. There are a lot of other things to consider aswell, such as their spiritual maturity, doctrinal beliefs etc etc. I think young people especially are too hasty to rush into relationships simply because they "fancy" each other. Thats the worlds way of selecting a partner.

92  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Hypocrisy - Clothes. on: November 30, 2004, 07:03:44 AM
Perhaps we have misunderstood each other. I agree with what you're saying. However, I don't believe that deliberately looking respectable and smart when leading worship or preaching makes you less effective.

I believe its important not to allow a sense of false humility to develop. It seems that some people deliberately dress down in order to underline the fact that you dont have to dress up. Smiley

My comment about the suit was perhaps a little bit of an extreme example. My point was that some people view "dressing down" as not giving God your best. I personally am happy to listen to any preacher who has a word from God, and it would be fantastic if people paid no attention to appearances. They do though.
93  Theology / Debate / Re:Can women preach? on: November 29, 2004, 04:57:03 PM
It often strikes me that with passages that are hard to digest are these days explained away by culture. I often hear the phrase " oh come on, this is the 21st century". So what? What does that have to do with anything? God is the same yesterday today and forever. What he said then is applicable today.

I personally believe Silver is correct. There is a place for everyone in the church. Leadership is male. simple as that. As the bible says of elders/ bishops:

1 Timothy 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.


Can a woman be the husband of one wife?

I'm not so sure about the translation of deacon here, so I would let this one slide..
1 Timothy 3:12  Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

I personally believe all believers are instructed to exhort and admonish each other, thats healthy. What is not healthy is when women are in positions of leadership under normal circumstances.

I do however believe in extremem circumstances that God does raise up women to do a leadership task when no men are able or willing.. but these are the exceptions to the rule, not the yardstick to measure by.







94  Fellowship / For Men Only / Re:Role modeling on: November 29, 2004, 04:07:59 PM
I totally agree. Its important that boys have the right role models to look up to. If they don't they find themselves alternative role models. This is why imho, so many kids end up screwed up adults.
95  Fellowship / For Men Only / Re:You might be in the wrong church if.... on: November 29, 2004, 03:49:27 PM
Dreamweaver: i totally agree there.. the money thing.. YUK!

They get excited about getting excited.

They never sing any hymns. Ever.

They don't ever mention repentace or sin.

Sermons are "fun" and easy to swallow.

You're not sure how many wives some of the congregation have.

People laugh because you have a Ford fiesta or a Vauxhall Astra.

There are all sorts of man made positions within the church.

The pastor is female.

96  Fellowship / For Men Only / Re:Lust on: November 29, 2004, 03:40:45 PM
Wise words as usual...  Huh

Rich, yeah, I think most Christian men have noticed it. You can't not notice it really... and at times it can be difficult to handle. Like dreamweaver was saying, TV is full of rubbish these days. It will only get worse in time to come aswell. The thinking of today is humanism, if it feels good ..do it... this is nothing new either.. its the age old sin of self gratification. As in the days of Noah.... as it says in the bible.
97  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Walking in the Spirwut on: November 29, 2004, 03:20:33 PM
I struggled over this topic for a few years, constantly wondering if I was doing God's will or following my own unctions.. and if you ( not you personally.. if one..) aren't careful the devil will use this to stop you doing anything and tie you up in knots over it. I used to think it was some kind of power you tuned in to.. but as you know, the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, He and the Father are one. There really is no secret formula or short cut ... its a relationship and you must spend time with God in prayer and bible study etc. The more you know Him through communion with Him the more you will learn His voice. ( I speak to myself here too!) In my own walk with God, the only reason for me not walking in the Spirit was willfully sinning and not considering it bad enough to bother correcting.. or just simple laziness. Lack of effort = lack of productivity for God.

Walking in the Spirit as far as I have experienced, is when you are abiding in Christ via an active relationship with Him. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't sin, but it does mean that when you sin, you are more and more concious of it, and smaller things tend to seem worse than they did previously. Heightened conscience is one sign that you are walking in the Spirit, because when you aren't drawing on His strength your spiritual radar and moral conscience tend to be dulled. So if you ever find yourself in the place where you are knowingly sinning, but not really feeling that bothered about it, thats the time to come back to Christ and repent.. and if not truly repentant.. ask to be made repentant!! Smiley

Christ alone is our source. Him himself, not anything or anyone else.

John 6:51  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:54  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Again, sorry for the long post.. I must stop this Smiley
98  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Hypocrisy - Clothes. on: November 29, 2004, 02:57:24 PM
I believe that, like the majority of God's Word, the verses regarding clothing are focused primarily on the heart attitude of the reader. In verses such as

Matthew 6:31  Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

and

Luke 16:19  There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:.... etc etc ( rich man and Lazarus story)

the key point in relation to this discussion is that worldy goods should not be our focus. If something becomes an idol to you, then it is a problem and needs to be repented of, or perhaps if it causes someone else to stumble in their walk with God, then its a problem. I don't believe that God is saying "all Christians must be scruffy and not care what they look like".  Smiley

 It strikes me also that these days, many younger Christians deliberately try to dress differently to their peers to set themselves apart. This to me is simply an inverted form of the sin of pride. Wanting people to take notice of you because you are in some way special.. above them.. you know who i mean.. the different colour shoes, pink and green hair, baggy jeans and lots of hippy jewelery type. Yes.. them.  Cheesy

If your heart attitude toward God is right, then you are less likely to sin in any way.. dress included. On the point of dressing up for church.... well thats an interesting one.

I personally don't "make an effort" to look any different to how I would normally, yet at the same time I would feel wrong leading worship if I came to church in tattered jeans and big boots... I'm not sure why. I think it has to do with respect and reverance for God in some obscure way... but as you rightly say, God looks at whats inside. I think its an issue for ones own conscience. Also remembering, that if, as in my case, there are members of your congregation who would frown upon "sloppy dressers" leading worship or preaching, that we must not cause others to stumble. If you have to wear a suit to make them hear the message, then so be it.

Sorry long post.


99  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Can somebody help me get a girlfriend on: November 29, 2004, 02:10:16 PM
Dating services.. well I personally have never been inclined to use one, but I think some people find it hard meeting other Christians in their area. Perhaps they attend a church that lacks in a certain age range, a good example of this is my own church... we have relatively few members between 18 and 30.. at least members that aren't away at university or some other place. There's a lot of other stuff I could say about dating sites... hehe but... its probably best left unsaid. It often appears that they are a mere recreation of a system that secular society uses to find a partner. But i could be wrong..
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