[Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,]

When studying your Bible and using a 360 day calendar to figure out the History Timeline is wrong. Let me explain what I mean, but first lets look at...

Gal 4:4  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

In 45 BC Julius Caesar ordered that upon every fourth year a 'leap day' be added to their 365.25-day year, the modern Gregorian calendar has a 365.2422-year.

For some if not all, (cough-cough) like me never used the Prophetic Calendar the right way.

For every 6 years you add a (13)leap-month of 30 days. At the end of 6 years = 2,190 days, instead of 2,160 days in which I have made that mistake a number of times by not adding in the 13 month. The 2,190 days divided by 6 years = 365 days-in-a-year average. This is for the first 6 cycles(6+6+6+6+6+6), but the 7th cycle is only 4 years long of 1,470 days to end a 40 year cycle.

2,190 + 2,190 + 2,190 + 2,190 + 2,190 + 2,190 + 1,470 = 40 years of 14,610 days.

The 360 day calendar is simply left to lag behind the actual solar year.

I pray your math was better than mine. If not, I'll try to answer any questions you may have next weekend. Unless an expert should stop by, because this is all new to me.

Look up,
it can only get better,
not down,
there's no safety nets.
But in all things,
remember our Lord.

[Seeing bin Laden in the cross hair...PRICELESS]

So that others coming here may see the truth.

I was only wondering why you posted it after they're gone, I mean thats old news from back in 2002. I don't question your ruling on the matter, I'm only disappointed because I wasn't there too.

Seeing bin Laden in the cross hair...PRICELESS

[1 John 2:22]

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah(Messias/Mashiach), which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

Romans 13:1-4 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Ask our Lord for wisdom, Sam.

[Matthew 13:24-30]

He can't answer you, cause he is gone. Blad, you been around long enough to know, these type of fools don't last long here.   Pastor Roger, and I got him mad enough to reveal he was muslim.

A statement attributed to al-Qaeda threatened more attacks in New York and Washington unless America stops supporting Israel and converts to Islam, an Arab TV reporter said. That was a day after the TV station broadcast an audiotape purportedly made by Osama bin Laden.

Why do you make amends when they're unable to post?


Matthew 13:24-30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

[Matthew 10:16]

Pastor Roger, and I got him mad enough to reveal he was muslim.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 

[Matthew 19:28]

at_the_Cross, I do understand what you mean on this in relation to Daniel 7 and 8 about the little horn subdueing three kings, and of casting stars down in Daniel 8:9-10. The only problem with that is the timing is different in most of these first five Rev.12 verses.

I was only saying Antiochus Epiphanes was "a" anti-God of the Old Testament. The only relationship between Daniel 7 and 8 that I would refer to is Alexander the Great's and his four Generals and the Medes and Perisa.

Rev 12:1
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(KJV)

The definition of that first sign (wonder)...

Joseph dreamed about "eleven stars" because he himself represented the 12th star in that. Joseph's father (Jacob) and mother understood the "sun" and "moon" symbols meant them per verse 10 above. And God changed Jacob's name to 'Israel'. So this Rev.12:1 verse is clearly about the Seed of the Woman first mentioned in Gen.3:15, i.e. the start of the family lineage our Lord Jesus would be born through.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

So there is no way these symbols represent anything else, like the EU or what not. That won't fit this example from our Lord Jesus. (The 12 stars of the EU will fit Satan's attempt at building his own version of God's Israel though. I'll easily agree with that working).

As DW was showing me that Turkey was a part of the EU now. Alot of people say the ten is the EU. But, the question would be when the 10 do their part. I only noticed the EU flag when I looked the EU up on Wikipedia the other night. I apologize if you thought I was referring to Revelation 12:1 and the EU flag being the answer.

If 3 horns are pulled out, then there are only 7 horns left; but the eleventh(little) horn now becomes the 8th.

Did you know the EU flag has 12 stars?

[Rev. 13:11]

I would go with the EU, which is claiming to be the new roman empire rebuilt.

re: Rev. 12:3 
There will in my opinion be a small war, which will remove the 3 kings missing.

Being Constantinople(Istanbul, Turkey)  became the new Roman Empire in 359 A.D. and the Ottoman Empire capture Constantinople in 1453 A.D. they have taken on the eastern leg and iron and clay. The EU only has one leg to stand on IMHO.

Possibility small war in plural.

If you'll look closely at all the Daniel examples of the ten horned beast, even back to Daniel 2:39-44, we find it is a symbol for the very last world kingdom upon earth before God's Kingdom is setup. Even in Daniel 7:24-27 we find the ten horn kingdom being destroyed at last and given to the saints of The Most High. That timing is linked with Christ's second coming and has not happened yet (Rev.11:15). That is why some who treat that fourth kingdom as old pagan Rome believe it must be revived again for the end of days (our time).

However we relate that fourth kingdom to old Rome or another kingdom, the fourth kingdom of ten horns is a symbol that continues all the way to the end, mainly because of God's Kingdom being established at its destruction. So whatever world kingdom is formed up on earth prior to Christ's return, we know that symbol of the last false kingdom must be included in it. In that sense, the ten horns become a type of 'blueprint'.

Note the first five verses of Rev.12. The woman clothed in the sun relates to God's Israel, because those symbols are hard linked to the dream Joseph had about his mother, father, and eleven brethren per Genesis 37. It is then about the first establishing of the "Seed" of the woman through whom Christ would be born through, with Satan trying to stop it, even back to the time in the Garden with Eve. Notice those ten horns, seven heads, and seven crown symbols are tied with Satan's first rebellion with his angels (stars). We know per Rev.20:2 and 12:9 the name "dragon" is another one of Satan's many titles.

Although we don't see eye to eye on a few things, we're on the same page here.

If that Rev.12:3 ten horn example had not been given along with that event of the drawing of a third part of the stars (angels), then it would fit the little horn subduing three kings as you say.

Whats left after the little horn ...three crowns short of ten kings, it seemed feasible that Daniel 7:7 becomes a great red dragon that appears in heaven in Rev. 12:3.

Rev.17:11   And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Quote by you[dp]: After the thousand years of Rev.20, Satan is to be released again to go tempt the nations. That's the eighth fulfillment, and then goes into the lake of fire. That timing is related to Isaiah 24:21-23.

A beast that is empowered by seven demonic creatures(Mark 5:9-13; Luke 8:30-31) and aligned with ten kings(due to Rev. 13:2 the dragon gave his power to it/him). You think it's of millennial(which it could be). I've considered what you said in your previous post and others, but I haven't had the time to study it in your view. What I've gathered from talking to you is something like...

Was - before Christ returns,
Is not - during Christ reign on earth,
Even he is the eighth - after 1,000 years.

A birdseye view in God's Word is needed for some of this. Recall per Rev.13 mentions two different 'beasts', the first being a world kingdom or system over the whole earth, and the second beast, the "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 being the 'dragon' himself. So that 'beast' name is a metaphor for Satan ultimately wanting to be The KING, and claiming dominion over the whole earth (note how he tempted our Lord with this in Luke 4:5-7).

Blessings to you in Christ Jesus,
dp

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

A metaphor?... John could've said "he speaks as himself" instead. I know it's a symbol of the religious power and secular authorities which I thought was the Antichrist but is more like the false prophet.

Blessings to you too in Christ Jesus

[Revelation 13:1]

The seven heads relate to verse 10 about seven kings. That's speaking against about a world system, the first beast of Rev.13:1-2, like old Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, etc. Because the latter day king is to only have power for a short space, that refers to the latter day Antichrist's reign, just prior to Christ's second coming. That's the 7th.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard( Daniel 7:6 ), and his feet were as the feet of a bear( Daniel 7:5 ), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion( Daniel 7:4 ): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The little horn comes up among the ten horns and plucked up three of the first horns by the roots( Daniel 7:8 ), subdues three kings( Daniel 7:24 ). I find it hard to believe the little horn is the seventh king when the fourth beast exist before the little horn coming on the scene. Revelation 13:1-2 states a mixture of the other three beast plus the fourth beast for a total of seven heads.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 12:3 shows three kings missing due to the little horn?

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Is that like the League of Nations which disappeared, only to once again rise as the UN?

[but under kings]

In fact, all the scriptures I've studied (primarily Daniel) tells me that the ten-horned beast, or, man of sin is not even an individual man, but rather a race, or, nationality of man.  In 9:26 they are referred to as "the people of the prince", or, the people of the devil.

Hello Biblestudent,

I agree the seven heads of Daniel chapter 7 are talking about race, ethnic or nationality, but under kings(Rev. 17:10). Note the difference between Revelation 13:1 and 13:11, the beast comes out of the Sea and the eighth comes out of the Earth.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

As for Daniel 7:24, I'm glad you brought it up, for that is the verse I intended to reference in my next post.

Has it ever occured to you that "kings" in that verse, means "a people" as opposed to kings or rulers?!

Read it very carefully, because the "ten kings" and the "ten horns" are the 2 main players; or, the 2 spacific groups or, races of people which are being referred to in the rest of the chapters of Daniel.
The one group; "the ten kings" is the race out of the fourth (European) kingdom on the earth.
The other group; "the ten horns" is the beast; the man of sin.
These two groups are they which are referred to as, the "ten toes of iron and clay" in a previous chapter.

The pronoun "he" which Daniel constantly uses throughout is in reference to one or the other of those 2 races.

The Lord is not an author of confusion.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Dan.8:9  "And out of one of them (out of one of the kingdoms; Impires) came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the "pleasant land"

Antiochus Epiphanes. Do you know how in Antiochus time the Jewish temple was dedicated to the Olympian Zeus? Antiochus Epiphanes was an Antichrist of the Old Testament. The Maccabees are a testament to the time period before the New Testament. Reading up on Antiochus Epiphanes will draw a big picture of what the Antichrist will be like. There is nothing new under the Sun.

And yes, I agree! The African nations mentioned in Ezekiel 38 plays a major role in end-time prophecies!!  Daniel, in 11:43 mentions them when he says, "the Etheopians" and "the Libyans" shall be at his (the little horn's) steps."

FYI: Ethiopia of old was in Saudi Arabia.

I watched about the last 20 laps or so following the #8 car(Jr. finished 6th) . I thought the race couldn't end on a yellow flag and yet it did. But hey, I'm not a true fan of the race.

Where in the Bible does God tell Jerusalem that there would be an end to their feasts and sabbaths?

Leviticus 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
Leviticus 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

[byblos]

The "Bible comes from th Egyptian word for parchment, byblos. The Greek word biblios means books or scrolls. Later, it was translated into Latin, biblia, meaning "book."  It is a library--ta biblia, which means "the books." In this Bible library, as in any library, you will find a variety of books--prose, poetry, songs, prayers, history, folklore, sagas, wisdom, letters, parables, proverbs, prophecy, etc, ect..

Quoted from Pastor Hagee: Best Instruction Before Leaving Earth

Genesis 7:9 There went in two and two with Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Genesis 7:15 And they went into the ark with Noah, two and two of all flesh in which there were the breath and spirit of life.

Fellowshipping with a Jehova Witness a few years back got me on that one too.

The word Cherethites in Hebrew is kerêthîy and it means in the sense of executioner; a Kerethite or life guardsman.

Thanks for checking your resources and the extra information.
And Hamas, Arabic acronym for Islamic Resistance Movement was more info than I needed to know.

[Cherethites]

Does Cherethites mean the running assassin?

Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.
Zephaniah 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
Zephaniah 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.

châmâs = violence; by implication wrong; by metonymy unjust gain: - cruel (-ty), damage, false, injustice, X oppressor, unrighteous, violence (against, done), violent (dealing), wrong.

I was told yesterday that it was "Hamas". I was wondering if it was the same Hamas like the title of the Muslim Brotherhood.