To sincereheart,

Like any "secret" we learn some things over time, because to many are involved to keep it totally secret.  

Bush did become a Christian after college.  Unfortunately, he has not quit his involvement with Skull and Bones.   Say you had a friend who was a practicing witch (unlikely, I know but just assume), you speak to the person about Jesus and they convert to Christianity, but they continue practicing witchcraft.  You point out to the person their error, and yet they keep right on with witchcraft.  This is the situation with the candidates.  They  know, yet they continue.  Is such a person truely a Christian?  What would you think if people started to hold up your witch friend as an example of a Christian?

We know that members do some really wierd things for initiation.  We don't know that Skull and Bones has Geronimo's skull or even if Prescott stole someone's skull.  We do know that human skulls are kept in the Tomb and there are other bones.  We don't really know if the other bones are human or animal.

I try to be factual, the Prescot Bush story was to show that the Order does have at least one human skull.  I told you the story behind how we know it because the story was so well know that Native Americans pushed for the FBI to investigate and they checked a skull to see if it was Geronimo.  They never went in and searched and checked skulls.  

The family history of the Bushs is important to this from the standpoint that the Bush family was involved with the Skull and Bones for a long time.  George Bush knew about it and his academic career shows that belonging to it was something that was important to his family.  Kerry didn't have the family history, though he still clearly wanted to belong.  He is unusual because he is Catholic.  Only recently has membership been open to people who aren't white, male, and Protestant.

I will post some sources in a separate post.

Marv

Skull and Bones is the highest secret society at Yale.  There are 15 juniors tapped by seniors to be members, the highest honor goes to the one tapped last.  (George W. Bush was last)  Many claim its origins are in the Illuminati.  If it's origins are not the Illuminati, they certainly share many things.   The group at Yale is supposed to be the second chapter, the first being German.

The initiates undergo rites of initiation are given secret names and give an oath allegiance to the order they swear total obedience and loyalty to the society.  That oath repeals all past oaths and any future oaths are void.  So they can take any oath, such as the oath of office for President, and according to their society be free from that oath.  Their only binding oath is their allegience to the Order and the New World Order.

The initial rite starts with the initiate being carried into the room of the other members naked in a coffin where the initiate recounts all his past sexual experiences.  

They undergo a ritualistic death and are re-born.  So if any member is asked if he is born again, the answer is a yes.  They have died to the world and been reborn into the Order.  They are given secret names like Magog and Boaz and Beelzebub.

This all takes place in their windowless building the "Tomb."  Most of the Tomb is covered in black velvet, except room 322 the sanctum santorium which is covered in red velvet and has a pentagram on the wall.

Among other things in the Tomb are human skulls, it was rumored for years that George Bush's grandfather Prescott had stolen Geronimo's skull as part of his initiation but it has not been proven.  The skull provided for testing by the society in a court case did not prove to be Geronimo's.  To whom it belonged we will probably never know.

The stronge German ties of the society seem to have weakened over time.  Prescott Bush had his bank seized by the US government during WW II for financing the Nazi's.  Since then the ties are less evident, though there were many Skull and Boners involved in the intelligence community that let many Nazi's escape at the end of the war.

There are entire books written about it.  A lot of info is available on the web.  Just type in skull and bones in your favorite search engine and you will find plenty.

I just wonder how a person can belong to a secret society which conducts Satanic rituals and claim to be a Christian.  I must admit also wondering about those that support him on the basis of his being a Christian, I could see it if he renounced the Order, but both candidates are still quite evidently proud of their accomplishment in belonging.

Marv

I am sorry over the misunderstanding on where Soros spoke, I thought the quotes meant that was the theme of the convention.  

I read his speach that he gave, and it certainly sounded different than what was posted, but I suppose he may have said those things somewhere.

The part of his speach that stood out to me was his belief that fascism and communism have a common ground, that they believe they have the ultimate truth and they want to impose it on the rest of the world.  That the alternative is an open society, a democracy.

Anyway, I'm not a big reader of anything he's done, so I can't say he's never said any of those things, he just didn't say most of them in that speech.

Did you read the urban legends pages on Kerry, your postings are there pretty completely, except there Kerry only has 5 mansions not seven.

What do you think about both candidates belonging and being evidently proud of their membership in Skull and Bones.  Neither would be eligable for membership in our congregation due to that.

Marv

Hi,

I'm new here, but I thought the user agreement was that things posted would be factual.  More importantly, I thought the user agreement with God was for facts too.

George Soros never spoke at the Dem convention.  See the entire list of speakers at:  http://www.dems2004.org/site/pp.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=92959

Before you keep spreading stuff around about Kerry, why not spend a little time at the urban myths and legends page.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp

There's plenty of lies spread from people on both sides in this campaign.  Christians have a duty not to be a part of that.

Marv