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What does everyone think and belief about the scripture below? Whats the scripture speaking of?

COL.2  [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Wreck and Sow will now tell us which commandment it is that he is referring to? Hopefully

Ya lost me here Big John. Not sure what your refering to.

John and Ambassador
Kiss and make up. All are our nieghbors. You know what the WORD says about that. Yas know what a little leaven does.

Petro
Thanks for answer but the ordinances and the commandments are not one and the same. Nor the law of Moses. The scripture you sent says we are to walk in the spirit. If you walk in the letter only and not the spirit it will kill you. Yes, but you cant keep the spirit of the law and not walk in the letter of it also. Jesus magnified the law. HE made it even greater by explaining how to walk in the spirit of the law.For example adultry. Jesus said if you look on a woman to lust youve already committed adultry in your heart. This is the spirit of the law. Can you tell me how you cannot walk in the letter(the very act of adultry)while keeping the spirit of the law. Same goes for thou shall not kill and thinkin evil in your heart against your neighbor. Cant keep the spirit without keeping the letter.

RAPHU posted this scripture
Romans 14:5  One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6  He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

John the Baptist(or anyone)All these scriptures the sunday go to meetin guys send to explain away Gods sabbath, ive found scriptures to prove their points not true except the above. By no means do i believe this scripture to say the 4th commandment of God has been done away with. If God had done that HE would of course come right out and say it in the scriptures. I have found scriptures speaking of eating and drinking things on specific holy days, but i believe we are to still keep Gods holy days.They were givin by ordinance. And the new testament is clear that it was the law contained in these ordinances that Jesus fulfilled. Anyways, has anyone found scripture that would explain the scripture Raphu sent?

The things that have come to pass concerning Gods sabbath are spoken of in the scriptures. Warnings in the the new
testament about roaring lions,ravenous wolves.

1 PETER 5[8] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking
whom  he may devour:

the devil - a roaring lion- devouring

MATT.7 [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that
find it.[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Beware of false prophets - They are ravening wolves

ACTS 20 [29] For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.[30] Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

More wolves

EPH.4 [17] This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in
the vanity of their mind,[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:[19] Who being past feeling have given
themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Vanity - Clean and unclean - greed

EZEK.22 [23] And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,[24] Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.[25] There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.[26] Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.[27] Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.[28] And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken

Is this the system you 2 are speaking of (BRO & Ambassador)
roaring lions - ravening wolves - conspiracy of her prophets - violated MY law - to get dishonest gain -
devoured souls - vanity - uncleanness
HID THEIR EYES FROM MY SABBATHS    
the day of indignation is THE DAY OF THE LORD!

Again i wanna say, if something is being said in scripture on The Day of the Lord, thats the bottom line. We all have one goal. The WORD says seek and ye shall find.  The WORD also says if you follow a prophet you will recieve that prophets reward. Dont be decieved.


ZEPH.3  Verses1-8 If you wish to read more on these people

Hey all

EPH.2  [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[9] Not of works,
lest any man should boast.[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I really dont understand. If you choose to leave off verse 10, will it come to pass as you stand before HIM on the last day that HE to will ignore it also? Maybe i just do not get it! Maybe you can pick and choose 1 line out of the bible and make a doctrine contrary to the rest of the WORD. But for those of us who believe the whole WORD of God, what are these good works that God has given us to walk in?

PSALM 78  [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.[2] I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:[3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
[4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.[5] For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:[6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:[7] That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:[8] And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.[9] The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.[10] They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;[11] And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them.

Who opened HIS mouth in a parable? Who established a testimony in Jacob? JESUS CHRIST.

That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments
They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law

THE WORKS OF GOD THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN
EPH.2 [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Just a little somethin extra to show how great the WORD is! There are only 2 places in the KJV were the words
(moreover also) can be found

EZEK.20  [12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

ACTS 2 [26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

If you will notice in ACTS 2 the WORD says “my flesh shall rest in hope”. Just as GODS 4th commandment reads.

Just some stuff about gates

LUKE 13  [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,[24] Strive to
enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.[27] But he shall say,I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. WHY?

MATT.7  [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Strait gate-leads to life (few that find it? Isnt  Christianity the biggest religion in the world?)

REV.22   [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may
enter in through the gates into the city.

Enter in through the gates-tree of life- into the city-that do his commandments

JER.17   [24] And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;[25] Then
shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots
and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.

Sabbath-Enter in through the gates-no burden-this city shall remain FOR EVER

MATT.11 [28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I will give you rest - my burden is light

In the new testament Jesus said HE was LORD of the sabbath day of rest. He also said the sabbath was made
by GOD for man. My question is who made Sunday the day of rest? And who is lord over that day?

EZEK.46  [1] Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Seems that (according to scripture) theres only 1 day of the week(and new moon,still not sure what that means)you can enter the gate.

WHAT THE BIBLE MEAN WHEN IT SAYS TO DO RIGHTEOUSNESS

1JOHN2 [28] And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.[29] If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

DEUT. 6 [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments

PSALM 119 [172] My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.[173] Let thine
hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.[174] I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

for all thy commandments are righteousness

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

LORD-REDEEMER-HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL(any question as to who that is)

1COR.15 [34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1JOHN3 [7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is
righteous.[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

1JOHN3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

LUKE 1 [6] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

PSALM 7 [6] Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.[7] So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

You have heard many people say that we will not be judged by our own righteousness. We only need believe in Jesus
and his righteousness and nothing more. Psalm 7 speaks of the time when Christ shall return to this earth to judge
the people. Read it for yourself. Its very clear!

1 PETER 4 [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

righteous scarcely be saved

Doesnt everyone agree that the bible is the WORD of God. Both you and i were taught things that just are no so according to the WORD. If you follow a prophet you WILL recieve that prophets reward. Drink water bfrom your own well. THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN DECIEVED. Believe the WORD. Seek righteousness. Be saved by HIS GRACE or be judged by your works after the 1000 yr period of rest. Seek the old path.

Morning Brolove
Im not sure what your trying to say? But the sabbath was made by Jesus. HE said HE was Lord over that day. HE said that the sabbath was made for man. But the religious leaders of those times added more to the sabbath commandment then GOD did with the original commandment. Jesus was without sin and HE(even according you to sunday go to meeting guys) was under the the commandments. The sabbath day was sanctified by God. Man cannot sanctify another day. Worship HIM through the commandments and doctrines of man and you worship HIM in vain.

No problem Petro

Petro
Been called many names before, never brolove. Well, have a good one

Petro writes
So what is the conclusion of this matter;
Those who are saved are.. (many smooth words,itching ears wanna here)

According to scripture WHO WILL BE SAVED?

ISAIAH 30 [9] That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
[10] Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:[11] Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.[12] Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:[13] Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.[14] And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.[15] For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.

this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD - thus saith the Holy One of Israel (JESUS) - In returning and rest shall ye be saved - Is this the sabbath rest spoken of in the law of the LORD.

PROVERBS 28 [4] They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. [7] Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father. [9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. [13] He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. [18] Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved

They that forsake the law praise the wicked - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer
shall be abomination - Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved

1 PETER 4 [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

And if the righteous scarcely be saved - where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? HEY PETRO,according to you theren is no sinners. Sin is the transgression of the law(according to scripture). You say there is no law.

DEUT. 6 [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments

PSALM 119 [165] Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.[166] LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.[167] My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly.
[168] I have kept thy precepts and thy testimonies: for all my ways are before thee.[169] Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.[170] Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.[171] My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.[172] My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.[173] Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.[174] I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Do you long for salvation? Theres only 1 way. The WORD!
And the WORD became flesh.

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.[11] And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

sounds like the 10 commandments

Petro
you left out a few things from Romans 2 and 3

ROMANS

ROMANS 2
[13] For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

[26] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

 [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

ROMANS 3
 [1] What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

[28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
[29] Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
[30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
[31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

You cant pick and choose which scriptures you choose to believe.

The law of Moses and circumcision is no more

1 COR.7 [18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God

but the keeping of the commandments of God will be done by HIS people. No one can keep them perfectly. That is except Jesus,whose example we are to follow. All have come short, but thats where the GRACE of GOD comes in.

comedy?

REV 11  [15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.[16] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

1- and thunderings
2- there were lightnings
3- voices in heaven
4- and an earthquake

EXODUS 20  (1-17) The 10 commandments are given
[18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

1- thundering
2- lightnings
3- noise of the trumpet
4- and the mountain smoking

EXODUS 19  [16] And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and
a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.[17] And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.[18] And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.[19] And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

on the third day (a day is as a 1000 yrs)
1- there were thunders
2- lightnings
3- voice of the trumpet
4- mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke

Just wanted to show more proof from the WORD of God that it will be GODS 10 commandments that will be brought out as a witness against the people. Does anyone truly believe that these 10 commandments which were written by the finger of GOD will read any different than they did back then. What about the 4th?  GODS sabbath day.

I AINT LAUGHIN

By grace HIS way or works after the 1000 yrs
Your choice