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31  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 29, 2003, 10:17:30 PM
Hi Blackeyed Peas
Are you confusing me with someone else. Ive called no one names?
32  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 29, 2003, 10:14:20 PM
Hi BEPs,
If you go back and look at my last post you will see i said nothing.If something convicted you, it was the WORD.And not 1 of them are my words.
33  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 29, 2003, 09:57:09 AM
PSALM 119 [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?[85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful:
they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.
34  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 29, 2003, 09:51:05 AM
More proff of what the ORDINANCES really are

EPH.2  [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances

JOSHUA 8,[31] As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.

book of the law of Moses

2 CHR.2   [4] Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening

HEBREWS 9[1] Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal
redemption for us.

first covenant had also ordinances of divine service
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances,

HEBREWS 10[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect..
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

yup

PSALM 40  [6] Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,[8] I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

yup

LEV.6  [8] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,[9] Command Aaron and his sons, saying, This is the law of the burnt offering: It is the burnt offering, because of the burning upon the altar all night unto the morning, and the fire of the altar shall be burning in it.

This is the law of the burnt offering:
Yup. the law contained in the ordinances

Numbers 19  [1] And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,[2] This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:[3] And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face:[4] And Eleazar the priest shall take of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle of her blood directly before the tabernacle of the congregation seven times:

Does anyone believe these scriptures. Does anyone see the 10 commandments here in the law contained within then ordinances?

35  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 28, 2003, 12:57:42 PM
Hi again

ORDINANCES VAIN OBLATIONS-another way to prove is looking at the oblations

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
[13] Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Bring no more vain oblations - WHY? Because Jesus nailed these offerings(oblations) to the cross. The sabbath,
the new moons were not nailed to the cross nor were the 10 commandments.

Numbers 18  [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, by an ordinance for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: every oblation of theirs, every meat offering of theirs, and every sin offering of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.

Just wanted to show you this scripture to confirm that the oblations were the offerings by the law of the ordinance.

EZEK.45  [15] And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.[16] All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.[17] And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Once again you can read that it was the burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths. And it was the PRINCE OF PEACE who prepared the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

LUKE 22  [15] And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
[16] For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.[17] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:[18] For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.[19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

The bread-meat offering-now Christ
The wine-drink offering-now Christ
The blood of animals-sin offering-THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

Gettin right is the bottom line. Im not out to win an argument.
36  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 28, 2003, 12:46:40 PM
ANYWAYS,

BACK TO THE ORDINANCES OF THE SABBATHS, NEW MOONS AND FEAST DAYS

2 KINGS 17[36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

As you can see in above scripture-the ordinances,the law,and the commandments are all separate. Many have
come in the name of Christ and have decieved many, saying that HE nailed the ordinances, the law, and the ten commandments to the cross.But thats not what the bible says

COL.2  [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Above scripture says the handwriting of the ordinances were nailed to the cross. The 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross and niether were the ordinances. Only the laws contained in these ordinances which pointed to Jesus.
On the sabbaths,  new moons,  and the holydays (feast days)

NEH.10 [32] Also we made ordinances for us, to charge ourselves yearly with the third part of a shekel for the
service of the house of our God;[33] For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.

Do ya see how these offerings were made as an ordinance (the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel), which pointed  to Christ (a shadow of Christ) and were done during these days.
The sabbaths - new moon - set feasts

2 CHR.8  [12] Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

The sabbaths - new moon - solemn feasts

As we can plainly see its not the sabbaths or the new moon or GODS holy days that were nailed to the cross. It was the meat and drink offerings of those days that were nailed to the cross! Think about the last supper! The bread and the wine! JESUS abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

ISAIAH 24 [5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The bottom line is THE DAY OF THE LORD! He will come with fire! They changed the ordinance! They transgressed the laws. But there will be a FEW who will try to obey GOD.
BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD  and not the words of men!
ANYWAYS, does anyone see what im sayin the scriptures are sayin? Am i barkin up the wrong tree? WHY? It seems pretty straight forward to me. The new testament says that Jesus nailed to the cross the law contained in the ordinances. The ordinances are GODS holy days and the law contained in those ordinances were the burnt offerings,blood offerings, meat and drink offerings(which were a shadow of Christ). Can anybody see this. If not, why?  
37  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 27, 2003, 10:30:17 AM
Hi John
Most this came from encyclopia. So believe it or not. Doesnt matter. But it was interesting to read in light of what the bible says would happen. The 10 scattered tribes were scattered because they were following Baal and in light of whats happened since, they appear to be still following for the most part.

Known as Isis to the Egyptions, Ostara, Eostre, Venus, Aphrodite, Astarte, and other names in other cultures, she was Diana to the Romans, but most commonly known as Ishtar, pronouned EASTER.
She symbolized the female principle, as Baal symbolized maleness. The Babylonian and Assyrian counterpart was called Ishtar. Easter Sunrise Service: This custom can be traced back to the ancient Pagan custom of welcoming the sun God at the vernal equinox - when daytime is about to exceed the length of the nighttime. It was a time to ‘’celebrate the return of life and reproduction to animal and plant life as well”

John. The easter bunnys and eggs. Did you ever wonder what that had to with Christ?

EZEK.8 [13] He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.[14] Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.[15] Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.[16] And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

Tammuz was killed by a wild boar. Semiramus is said to have WEPT for Tammuz 4o days, after which, he would be resurrected. This was during the springtime, when crops were planted. Hence, the eastern sunrise service honoring the resurrection, following the 40 days of "weeping for Tammuz", better known as LENT

You know the 1 place where easter is mentioned in the bible(king james),i went back to look at original spelling. Well, its spelled exactly the way passover is spelled.  
38  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 27, 2003, 12:34:54 AM
AINT THE GRACE OF GOD GREAT!!!!!   !!
39  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 27, 2003, 12:30:53 AM
Its all gonna come down to whats written. And whats written is whats written. Ya wont get away with nothin. Dont know if this is true but i did here it. WC Fields was readin the bible when somebody walked into his room. He quickly said, ah yes, im looking for loopholes. Well,there are none.If ya dont get to the Kingdom, you will be judged by your works at the end of the 1000 yr period of rest. Its pretty scary old buddy.If i was judged by my works, i dont think i would make it. But, maybe who knows.Ill leave that to my Lord.Its really not all that difficult to reach the kingdom. Just walk in the spirit of the law. Not only the letter. Simply get mad at no one. Think no evil in your heart against anyone.Easy to say isnt it. Boy, is it hard to do. What is the reward. SO GREAT. Yet, the flesh, if it has power over another flesh, whether its phyisical or mental will try to over power. Its a shame. So easy to enter the Kingdom, yet almost impossible. Do things concerning the flesh; gluteny,drunkeness, lust of the eyes make it hard to walk in the spirit. And if one of these things has power over your flesh, will it keep you from the Kingdom. Does a little leaven ,leaven the whole bunch? I think it does. You have to walk in the spirit of GODS law to enter HIS wonderful Kingdom.If you were to ask me tonight, Hey Wreck n Sow if ya die by morning would you enter the Kingdom of God, i would have to say no way. I DO NOT DESERVE TO ENTER HIS KINGDOM!
40  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 26, 2003, 11:54:53 PM
Hi Ammbassador
You Wrote
Wreck N Sow You are wrongly dividing the Word of Truth

Ya know im not.
41  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 26, 2003, 11:51:00 PM
John
Glad ya brought up Ezek. He was a good old boy. Ill post some stuff tommorro that has to do with easter and that passage ya sent.
42  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 26, 2003, 03:30:18 PM
Once again using scriptures out of context to teach the people we need not keep GODS SABBATH DAY.Shame be on ya!

GALATIANS 4 [6] And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying,
Abba, Father.[7] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after
that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

LEV.19 [2] Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God. [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Well look at this in LEV.19 in the same passage the WORD says keep my sabbaths and also you will not observe times.
Got about 5 or 6 passages on what observing times means. But i reckon ya dont really care.

DEUT.18  [10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.[12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.[13] Thou shalt
be perfect with the LORD thy God.[14] For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
43  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 26, 2003, 11:19:29 AM
Hello AWL-what ya carvin up today

ORDINANCES OF THE SABBATHS, NEW MOONS AND FEAST DAYS

2 KINGS 17[36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

As you can see in above scripture-the ordinances,the law,and the commandments are all separate. Many have
come in the name of Christ and have decieved many, saying that HE nailed the ordinances, the law, and the ten commandments to the cross.
But thats not what the bible says

COL.2  [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Above scripture says the handwriting of the ordinances were nailed to the cross. The 10 commandments were not nailed to the cross and niether were the ordinances. Only the laws contained in these ordinances which pointed to Jesus.
On the sabbaths,  new moons,  and the holydays (feast days)

NEH.10 [32] Also we made ordinances for us, to charge ourselves yearly with the third part of a shekel for the
service of the house of our God;[33] For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.

Do ya see how these offerings were made as an ordinance (the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel), which pointed  to Christ (a shadow of Christ) and were done during these days.
The sabbaths - new moon - set feasts

2 CHR.8  [12] Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

The sabbaths - new moon - solemn feasts
As we can plainly see its not the sabbaths or the new moon or GODS holy days that were nailed to the cross. It was the meat and drink offerings of those days that were nailed to the cross! Think about the last supper! The bread and the wine! JESUS abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances!

ISAIAH 24 [5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The bottom line is THE DAY OF THE LORD! He will come with fire! They changed the ordinance! They transgressed the laws. But there will be a FEW who will try to obey GOD.
BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD  and not the words of men!
44  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 26, 2003, 11:05:11 AM
Black eyed Peas
I see that you didn't even attempt to answer Wreck N Sow's question about the verses he quoted from the New Testament. An answer from your perspective about those verses would be very difficult. Would you prefer that those and other verses be removed from the Holy Bible?

This seems to be national christian pick on John week.Remember B.E.P.youve already removed those scriptures from the bible that i sent earlier in reply to your reply.
45  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 26, 2003, 08:09:27 AM
Howdy back at ya Black eyed Peas
I want ya to know when i question what ya wrote im not personally attacking you. I was taught these same things.

you wrote
 A child of God does have the Holy Spirit living in his or her heart every minute of every day
THE WORD SAYS
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Thats pretty clear BEPs. Keep commandments=recieve Holy Spirit

You said
A child of God may pray and commune with the Lord and Saviour on any day
THE WORD SAYS
PROVERBS 28 [9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
[10] Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright
shall have good things in possession.
Turn from the law=prayers wont be heard

You said
The fulfillment of the Law by Christ is still a mystery to many
THE WORD SAYS
MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
I know the earth is still here. So...No mystery here.

You said
God's GIFT allows his children to rest in Christ
THE WORD SAYS
2 THES.1 [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
according to the WORD your rest might be a bit early.

You wrote
The Gospel of God's Grace is also a mystery
THE WORD SAYS
PROVERBS 4 [4] He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.[5] Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.[6] Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.[7] Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.[8] Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.[9] She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
Keep my commandments - get wisdom - She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace

I heard and was taught all those things to BlackeyedPeas.When i read that the whole world would be decieved i decided to read the WORD and believe what it says no matter who said what. The WORD also makes it clear that but a few will be saved. And in the new testament the WORD says that the old testament scriptures will make you wise unto salvation. So... That is what i believe.
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