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16  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: August 04, 2003, 02:52:37 PM
Uhh..A4C
I didnt write this.

1 COR.7 [18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God
17  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: August 04, 2003, 10:23:36 AM
Yea A4C
We need not be circumscized. Thats what below scripture says

1 COR.7 [18] Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God
18  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: August 04, 2003, 09:32:03 AM
QUOTE: A4C

Every Law Keeper and Sabbath Keeper I know does NOT need a license to sin, they sin more than most.
Amen
Brother Love

Well Bro love and A4C dont ya think as preachers of the gospel of grace that you should show all these law keepers and sabbath keepers Romans 2 V.11-13. That would show those bad guys a thing or two. They cant just talk how they are supposed to keep Gods ten commandments and they themselves do not. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Thatll show them guys!


ROMANS 2  
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.
[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
19  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: August 03, 2003, 08:38:08 AM
Saved4 ever
you wrote
It just shows your ignorance

I forgive you. A gift from me to you. Whether you deserve it or not.
20  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: August 03, 2003, 08:17:20 AM
Hi BlackEyedPeas
You wrote
Here's a secret for you that you will have to study to discover. The walk of those in GRACE is much closer to the LIGHT than those who walk in the law.

WALK THE WALK OF GRACE

2 JOHN 1 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.[4] I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.[5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.[6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Grace be to you. How are we to recieve this gift of grace and what commandments are “we to walk in” ?
The 10 commandments?

EPH.2 [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those who wish to do away with GODS 10 commandments will always leave off verse 10. But what are the WORKS OF GOD that “we should walk in” ?

PSALM 78  [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.[2] I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:[3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.[4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.[5] For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:[6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
[7] That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:

There they are. The WORKS OF GOD that we are to walk in. The 10 commandments. By the way, i have a question to those who say Jesus nailed the 10 commandments to the cross. Who opened HIS mouth in a parable(verse 2). Who  established a testimony in Jacob (verse 5). Thats right, JESUS CHRIST himself. Is Jesus the same today,yesterday and forever?

MATT.13  [34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

YUP. Psalm 78 is speaking about Jesus.

PROVERBS 4 [4] He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.[5] Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.[6] Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.[7] Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.[8] Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.[9] She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

Aint the WORD of God great! Even when you look at the verses around the verses that the “one liners” send, you can plainly see we are still to be keeping GODS 10 commandments.  Give to thine head an ornament of grace, a free gift, one we do not deserve.

The WORD of God or the words of man. God has given you the right to choose.  
21  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: August 02, 2003, 06:02:14 PM
Hey BlackeyedPeas

JAMES 5 [7] Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for
the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.[8] Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.[9] Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

What does this passage in James mean? How do recieve this early and latter rain spoken of in the gospel of grace.

DEUT.11 [13] And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,[14] That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.[15] And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.[16] Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

rain in due season- the first rain and the latter rain- if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments

HOSEA 6 [1] Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.[2] After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.[3] Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight
one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Times a gettin short BEPs.

JOEL 2 [19] Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine,
and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
[20] But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and
his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.[21] Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.[22] Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do
spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.[23] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he
will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Be ye also patient - until he receive the early and latter rain - Lets not forget what we must do to receive this rain
Look in Revelations for the corn - wine - oil - northern army - beast of the field. Joel 2 is speaking of a time which has not yet come. But it will.

LEV.26 [1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.[2] Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.[3] If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;[4] Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

Rain in due season - IF you keep GODS sabbath - reverence my sanctuary (Ye are the temple) - walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments

Anyone wish to comment on these scriptures. Do ya believe the scriptures? Are yas gonna now point to new testament scriptures which speak about the law contained within the ordinances and say we need not keep the commandments.


22  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: August 02, 2003, 05:49:44 PM
Hi Homie
I dont mind being corrected. In fact its refreshing to have someone here point to something i posted and reply to it. They usually just misdirect by pointing to one of their one liners. Be that as it may i am sorry i spilled choir wrong and i will try to remember its spilling from here on in. I am deeply sorry...kinda
23  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: August 02, 2003, 05:42:04 PM
Does the gospel of grace mean you can ignore the scriptures of the gospel gracefully?

ROMANS 6 [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How
shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6 [15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1JOHN3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

ROMANS 3 [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
24  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 31, 2003, 12:14:59 AM
Homie
If your new at this and excited that youve found all these wonderful things in the WORD, brace yourself. These and all sunday go to meeting guys(and im not judging them, just speaking the truth)only believe in few lines of scripture. And they are in new testament and taken out of context.Their teachers have taken single lines out of the bible and have built doctrines out of them.You can tell them in order to recieve the Holy Spirit the WORD says you must keep the commandments. They dont believe that part of the Word. Enter the Kindom you must keep the commandments. They dont believe that scripture either. Most of em have Adoph Hitler right there in heaven right now. He believed and in fact thought he was settin up the 1000 yr period of rest. They say once saved always saved.Saved and born again. Ya die, flit off to heaven ,grab a harp and join the quior.And they believe nothin said in the old.They only believe smooth things which there itching ears wanna hear. Even invented a rapture thing so they wouldnt have to go through any bad stuff. I guess it sooths them but no matter, the WORD will come to pass.Homie, i dont mean to be so negitive, but ive been doin this for a while and its just the way it is. I know ya couldnt tell it by my words ive written here but i really like all these people here and i wish them the best. At best i think im only sowin seed here, but maybe somewhere down the road the seed will sprout.The WORD says all through the book(new and old) its the 10 commandments of God AND the testimony of Jesus Christ. Not one or the other.
25  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 30, 2003, 10:41:20 AM
BRO
PSALM 7 [6] Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.[7] So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

When Jesus rises to shake the earth-[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end

Its true that our righteousness will fall short. We all have sinned. Thats where the grace of God comes in and righteousness of Jesus Christ. But if you practice unrighteousness,well...that aint good.

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

You do know who your redeemer is?
26  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: July 30, 2003, 10:26:43 AM
Brother Love
Thats not an ark we are building

Hag.1
[8] Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.

JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the
children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.[6] My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

See. i was in the hills with you guys. I to forgot my resting place. The perpetual covenant which was forgotten. Thats why the commandment begins with remember.

MICAH 4[1] But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.[2] And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

But in the last days its time to head back to the mountains and build that house.
Those with eyes to see.Now where did i put that hammer?
27  Theology / General Theology / Re:From Law To Grace on: July 29, 2003, 11:26:31 PM
Hi guys
Not trying to throw a stick in the wheels of your bikes here but what does below scripture mean to you guys?

MATT.15  [3] But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?[4] For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.[5] But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest
be profited by me;[6] And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.[7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,[8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.[9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
28  Theology / General Theology / Re:IS SATURDAY THE CHRISTIAN SABBATH? on: July 29, 2003, 11:17:44 PM
BROTHER LOVE, you asked
If you are not enjoying your Christianity more than you did when you were saved something is wrong! Are you trying to live under a yoke of bondage?

NO, JUST THE PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY

JAMES 1  [22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:[24] For he
beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.[25] But whoso
looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of
the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The perfect law of liberty-blessed be the man that be a doer of the work

JAMES 2  [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said,
Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Do not commit adultry,do not kill(the 10 commandments)-  and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

PSALM 119  [42] So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.[43] And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.[44] So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.[45] And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.[46] I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.[47] And I will delight myself in thy commandments,
which I have loved.

So shall I keep thy law continually AND delight myself in thy commandments and WILL WALK AT LIBERTY-That cant be misinterpreted

AINT THE WORD OF GOD GREAT

DEUT.13  [3] Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.[4] Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.[5] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him - HE redeemed you out of the house of bondage

DEUT.6  [12] Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.[13] Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.[14] Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;[15] (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.[16] Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.[17] Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

The LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the HOUSE OF BONDAGE.
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies. Hey theres the law and the testimony again. Just like the WORD says in Revelations.
NOW????Brother love, what bondage am i walking in?
29  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 29, 2003, 10:52:25 PM
Hey BEPs,
You wrote
Hello Wreck,
If you have fellowship with Christ one day per week, you rob yourself of 6. There's the secret and part of the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL OF GOD'S GRACE.

Sooo....Do we lose this grace you speak of once we reach the 1000 year period of rest? Because the scripture below says at that time ALL flesh(those that are left after Jesus deals with transgressors) will come up to worship HIM on the sabbath day.

ISAIAH 66 [21] And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
30  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: July 29, 2003, 10:33:48 PM
And Black Eyed Peas
Since you brought up the pit i guess ill put in the WORDS 2 cents

PSALM 94 [11] The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.12] Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;[13] That thou mayest give him rest from the days of
adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.

Teach out of thy law - until pit digged for the wicked

PSALM 119 [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?[85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful:
they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

They who are not after the law have dug pits(So BEPs as you can read its those who want GODS law thrown away that have dug the pits)ALL THY commandments faithful. Not just nine?

PROVERBS 28 [9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
[10] Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright
shall have good things in possession.

Turn from hearing the law and fall into pit they themselves dug

ISAIAH 24 [3] The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
[4] The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.[5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.[17] Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.[18] And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.[22] And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

DAY OF THE LORD - transgressed the laws-gathered in the pit - after many days visited (one thousand years?)

REV.20 [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Is this the reason Jesus says that only a few will be saved? There are so many people that claim the 10 commandments are no longer to be kept. Most people intentionally do not keep GODS sabbath and ignore the commandment about graven images.

The new testament says if you break one of the commandments, you break them all. Has the whole world been decieved as the bible claims? Will good intentions or a warm fuzzy at a sunday go to meeting bring us eternal life or is it the keeping of GODS 10 commandments as JESUS said in Matt. 19 ?
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