[As the song says…JESUS PAID IT ALL; ALL TO HIM I OWE.SIN HAD LEFT A CRIMSON STAIN;HE WASHED IT WHITE AS SNOW.What a wonderful message of God's grace! What a God we serve!]

As the song says…
JESUS PAID IT ALL; ALL TO HIM I OWE.
SIN HAD LEFT A CRIMSON STAIN;
HE WASHED IT WHITE AS SNOW.
What a wonderful message of God's grace! What a God we serve!

Yes, And how ungrateful some people are....refusing to do, as Jesus Christ asks of them !!!

[FALSE TEACHING!]

FALSE TEACHING!

musicllover-

Let me clarify-
The days have names, but they are named with numbers.  Additionally, the Sabbath does have a special name it shares with all the other holidays (Shabbat). So we see that there is a Shabbat on the first and last day of Passover/Unleavened bread, etc. (see Lev. 23)

Yes, these are sabbath contained in the Law of Moses.
But, has nothing to do with the 7th day Sabbath which God instituted, at creation (Genesis 2:2,3).

And finally, as I said before, I don't think this is an issue about whether or not someone who doesn't observe the Sabbath is going to hell, but I pose this as a question to us who are followers of Jesus, to suggest that maybe we have not been walking in all truth, and maybe we can recover it still...

Breaking the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath) is the same as breaking: "Thou shalt not steal....Thou shalt not commit adultery....Thou shalt not kill...etc.
 James 2:10-12 spells it out very clearly.

It is sin, and the wages of sin is eternal death, (Romans 6:23).

[FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE]

FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE

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Yes !
And faith is demonstrated by works...the works, God performs, in the lives of converted people.

As the scripture says: "Ye shall know them by their fruits"


God even points out a people who have the faith of Jesus, because they keep the commandments of God:
  Revelation 14:12   "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".

QUESTION: Are not the 'saints'....Christians ?  

666 is the number of the name of the Antichrist...

You're getting close !

And, the Bible says that the anti-christ is here right now, in todays world.

SS your right he is, some where in the world.

Not only does the Bible tell who it is...but where in the world they are, right now.

666 is the number of the name of the Antichrist...

You're getting close !

And, the Bible says that the anti-christ is here right now, in todays world.

Back to the original topic.  What about what Jesus said about John the Baptist in this passage?  If John was Elijah, why would there need be another to come?

7 As these men were going away, Jesus began to speak to the crowds about John, "What did you go out into the R385 wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 "But F237 what did you go out to see? A man dressed in soft clothing? Those who wear soft clothing are in kings' palaces! F238 9 "But F239 what did you go out to see? A R386 prophet? Yes, I tell you, and one who is more than a prophet. 10 "This is the one about whom it is F240 written, `BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.' 11 "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least F242 in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 "From R388 the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers F243 violence, and violent men take F244 it by force. 13 "For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 "And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah R389 who was F245 to come. 15 "He R390 who has ears to hear, let F246 him hear.

I apologize for all the numbers in the middle.

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet [before] the coming of the [great and dreadful day] of the Lord", (Malachi 4:5).
Now, what was so dreadful about John the Baptist's preaching, about Christ's first coming ?

 NOTHING !

This Bible verse refers, to Christ's 2nd coming....when Jeus takes his church to heaven, and destroys the wicked, by the brightness of his coming, (2 Thess. 2:.

"From that time many of his disciples went back,and walked with Him no more", (John 6:66)....(666 ?)

I believe that this is the same Apostle John who wrote about the 'Mark of the Beast", in Revelation 13.

And, I believe that John (in the gospels) is discribing one of the details, of people who accept the M.B.

[LAW]

Silver Surfer,

Have you tried to study any of the posts here and in other threads?

Those who try to live under THE LAW can't do it, and they will be condemned by THE LAW. The Law leads to knowledge of sin, but the Law doesn't save, rather it condemns.

Agreed !
No Christian can live under the Law !

Because Christians are LawKeepers, (Romans 3:31)
Sinners are LawBreakers, (1 John 3:4.....Romans 7:7)

However, there is GOOD NEWS for you. There is an ultimate  LAW that is REDEMPTION, SANCTIFICATION, AND JUSTIFICATION.

The Law Of

FAITH

IN JESUS CHRIST!

Love In Christ,
Tom

[FALSE TEACHING!]

FALSE TEACHING!

Jn.5:46-47  "Had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"
The Law of Moses is this: the Law was only for the circumcised nation Israel. The Law was never given to the Gentiles, but only to the Jews. Unless you are in Israel, and a Jew, the Law of Moses doesn't apply.

Remember though....those Laws of Moses were abolished at the Cross, (Ephesians 2:15...Colossians 2:14-16). So, in reality, those laws do not even apply to Israel anymore.
And that is what the Apostle Paul was trying to get across to them,  in his time period.

By beeps,  The GIFT of Jesus Christ on the CROSS for us is very simple, wonderful, and MOST PRECIOUS. The TREASURES we have in JESUS are beyond imagination.

Amen!!

by S.S.  Do you realize that I belong to the church that  God identifies, as His.

And what church would that be?

"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).

Question: Are the 'saints'...Christians ?  (Yes or No)

 And they are identified as having the faith of Jesus Christ...AND.....they keep all 10 commandments of God, including the 7th day Sabbath (4th commandment).

It doesn't take much thought, to realize that most churches, in the Christian world, do not keep all 10 commandments of God.

[Indeed Christians who willingly submit to it are viewed as teaching salvation by works. Let it be known that we are not saved by our works]

There's widespread confusion in regard to Biblical Law and its relevance to the Christian life. Indeed Christians who willingly submit to it are viewed as teaching salvation by works. Let it be known that we are not saved by our works - but by the grace of God. But does that excuse us from keeping the law of God?

The Apostle Paul (Romans 8:1-11) compares those 'in the flesh' and those 'in the Spirit'; that is, those who are unconverted and those who are converted. He states (v. 7) "the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God". That is, the unconverted mind is 'fleshly', hostile to God - is not in subjection to God's laws.

Do you realize what the apostle is telling us? The converted mind is subject to the law of God. With this in mind, let's read and understand Rom. 1:8. "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit". If we are in the Spirit, we will walk in subjection to the law of God and therefore will have no condemnation.

It must be noted, however, that a distinction is made between those who are subject to the law of God and those who are not - those who are walking according to the Spirit and those who are walking according to the flesh. Paul then tells us that God sent His Son because of our weaknesses so that the "righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit" Romans 8:3-4, Notice again that Paul emphasizes a difference between those who walk in subjection to the law of God and those who do not. We cannot earn our salvation, but rather are saved by faith. Nevertheless, we must understand that "faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead" James 2:17.

The so-called 'old covenant' was replaced. Why? The reason is explained in Hebrews 10:8, 10 where we're told, "Because finding fault with them I will make a new covenant". God found fault with the people, not with His own laws. Because the people would not obey His laws, He said that He would establish a new covenant, one in which He would "put my laws in their mind and write them on their hearts".

We all fall short of keeping the law perfectly. All too often we sin. That's why we can only be saved by God's grace and not by the law, not by our own righteousness acts, but by the righteousness of Christ. When we are repentant God imputes to us the perfect righteousness of His Son, our Saviour.

Jesus Christ is our mediator - and our example. He was able to overcome, and with his Spirit in us we can overcome also, if we are willing to put forth the effort.

Satan is the deceiver of the whole world and he has deceived some into thinking that it is not necessary to keep the laws of God. Don't ever be lured into believing this. Prophecy in Revelation 13:17 says, "The dragon [Satan] was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ". Why do you think that the dragon will be angry with the woman? Because Satan wants to deceive the whole world.

Some believe that we only need faith in Christ. Others seek salvation only by keeping the commandments. We need both. The inspired Scriptures tell us, James 2:14, 20 "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? O foolish man ...faith without works is dead" .

It is possible to have our name blotted out of the Book of Life. Whoever overcomes will not have his name removed Rev. 3:5. We are not saved because of our works, but by God's mercy, through grace. But because of our love for God and of our faith in Him, we firmly establish God's laws in our life Romans 3:31

John wrote: "He who says 'I know him' and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. He who says he abides in him also himself also to walk just as he walked" I John 2:46. Don't be deceived by those who claim God's Law is 'done away'.

How did Christ walk? He by God's grace, and by staying close to the Father in prayer "with vehement cries and tears" Hebrews 5:7, led an unblemished life. He never once transgressed the divine law.

It's really nice to see someone with a balanced view regarding the relationship between grace and the Law of God.

I was under the impression you thought you and your church were going to be the only ones in Heaven

. Revelation 22:14   Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.  ....

who are you preaching too ?

 Revelation 14:6   And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the [everlasting gospel] to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,  
  14:7   Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.  

Do those requirements mean we HAVE to attend church on a Saturday?

Jesus said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
AND.....the Bible points out a people who do just that:  Revelation 14:12   "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".
QUESTION: Are the 'saints'...Christians ?

I'm still looking but so far I've not come across any scriptures to tell what day the Sabbath is,

  Luke 23:54   And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.  
  23:55   And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.  
  23:56   And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.  
 
Chapter 24

  24:1   Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.  
  24:2   And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.  
  24:3   And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
(NOTE: This Bible verse tells that the 7th day Sabbath was the day before....Jesus rose from the grave)

 We are also told to NOT negelect the gathering of the saints.....so if there is a group of "saints" and we gather together NO matter what day it is, we sing, we pray, we worship.....and we call it church then I am sure that God is pleased. Honestly its what we do on the off days that really show our Christians faith anyway.
    ITs a real shame when someone believes because they have entered a certain building that they have immediate enterance into Heaven.

You're in luck.....the Bible never teaches that any building, attended on the Sabbath, saves anyone. Because the Apostle Paul held Sabbath services by a river, with a group of women, on the Sabbath.

Its the exclusion relegions that I have a real problem with. Its like say well thanks Jesus you tried man, but it just wasn't good enough for most of the world. Its like slapping him in the face. What Jesus done he done for ALL MAN KIND, he DIED was dead, with out life, took all the ugly sin and garbage of this world and pushed it aside so that those who believe can follow him thru........ I'm ready how about you?

Remember that God never made any of the 10 commandments, as a yoke of bondage....but as the Law of Liberty, (James 2:10-12).

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This website will help the Christian world understand the differences between the 2 Laws:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~i_t_c_t_b/

Are you hinting above that you don't consider yourself a Christian?

A Christian is defined by the Bible as:
  Revelation 14:12   "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".
QUESTION: Are the 'saints'...Christians ?

Do you ever think about and talk about Jesus Christ and the CROSS?

THe cross opened the door whereby men might be saved...IF...they repent of their past sins, and sin no more.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, did anything at all change after Jesus was crucified on the CROSS? For you, apparently not. If you think that anything did change at the CROSS, what do you think it is? You can't or haven't given any information about your most used word, "Sabbath", yet. If you wish to condemn folks to hell over a single word, you should know and be able to explain what that word means, what it is, and how to keep it. However, you don't keep it.

'The wages of sin is death', (Romans 6:23).
"The soul that sins, it shall die", (Ezekiel 18:4).
Breaking the 7th day Sabbath is sin, (1 John 3:4....Romans 7:7).

The people going to heaven:Revelation  22:14   "Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city".  

The Christian World uses a different word, over and over again:

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Matthew
  7:21   "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".
Love In Christ,
Tom

Silver Surfer Said:

And, Moses wrote the other laws in a 'book', laws which God told Moses[himself] to write down to give to the Levite priests.

YEP! - You are stuck in the Law and can't get out.

  Psalms 119:172   My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.  

The Apostle Paul said:  Romans 7:22   "For I delight in the law of God ...after the inward man".  

Jesus Christ, VERY GOD, can help you get out, and he won't need Moses or the Levite priests.

And Jesus said:
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
John 5:46   For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me.."

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is VERY GOD, that HE died on the CROSS for you, that HE is THE MESSIAH, that HE is the LORD AND SAVIOUR?

But, of course.  Matthew 1:21   And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people [from] their sins.
It is the vast majority of the Christian world, that believes that Jesus Christ [saves] people 'in'...their sins.

If NOT, you need a different message than the posts I prepared for you. You will need Jesus Christ in your heart as Lord and Saviour before any of those posts will mean anything to you. Let us know. There are many Christians here who will be happy to share Jesus with you.

THe Christian world at large, does not know Jesus Christ of the Bible:  1 John 2:4   "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him".  

Love In Christ,
Tom

"Whosoever is born of God [does not] commits sin", (1 John 3:9).
"Whosever commits sin, transgresses the Law, for sin is the transgression of the Law", (1 John 3:4).
"Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that [keep] the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).

Again, you have failed to read the entire passage....pay close attention now......

We are saved by Grace SS, not by works of the law.  

 Romans 6:14   For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.  
  6:15   What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.  

No where does he state the sabbath as evidence of a person being in Christ.

"If..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).

It is our Love for one another, the same way Christ Loved us.   Not who is keeping sabbaths.  I have no issue with you wanting to worship on saturday.  But I assure you God has no problem with anyone wanting to worship on Sunday or any other day of the week for that matter.

Romans  6:16   "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"

Because Jesus Christ, my Lord and saviour, shed his blood for my sins.  

John 15:22   "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin".
 Acts 17:30   "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent".
 
 

 This website will help the Christian world understand the differences between the 2 Laws:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~i_t_c_t_b/