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FALSE TEACHING!

The same day that Jesus and the Apostle Paul attended worship service, as their custom was....the 7th day Sabbath.

On a Saturday right? Thanks. So, most probably, you're following the Hebrew Calendar and not the Pagan Gregorian calendar right? Do clarify, please.

It does not matter which calendar....as the 7 day week cycle has always been the same....in both calendars.

God does not lead people to commit sin !

Yes, I know. But, I ask, as what our brethren Reba quoted,"
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." How do you perceive this? And, how many christian churches observe the Sabbath day strictly to the Law? Can you give a count?

God only points out one church:"Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.(Revelation 14:12).  

"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
  33:7  So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
  33:8  When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
  33:9  Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy own soul", (Ezekiel, chapter 33).

I understand clearly your situation, my brethren. But, I
I follow my Lord's commandment which was fulfilled by 2 commandments:

Those who break the 4th commandment do not love God, because he says so (James 2:10-12)

Silver Surfer,

Jesus Christ unlocked the door to your prison cell. All you have to do is realize the door is unlocked and come out.

Love In Christ,
Tom

"Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.  
  119:166   LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments".  (Psalms 119:165).

no it's not silly. you are more worried about the commandments themselves than the One who Abolished them.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  
  5:18   For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till [all] be fulfilled", (Matthew 5:17,18).

Not everything has been fulfilled !

Notice this Bible verse: "The law of the Lord is Perfect...converting the soul", (Psalms 19:7).

IF...the Law is gone....no one is converted anymore !
WHY ?
#1.) " for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.  (Romans 3:20).
#2.)" What shall we say then? [is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.(Romans 7:7)
#3.)" Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.(1 John 3:4)


" for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.  (Romans 4:15)...
..if there is no law, there is no sin.....therefore, no need for a Saviour

and that comment would have had you banned if i was moderator..lol...here's a thought silver...like i said "YOU WILL KNOW A CHRISTIAN BY HIS/HER FRUITS

You're absolutely right !
 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  
  2:4   He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  (1 John 2:3,4)

[Silver Surfer wrote:The 7 day weekly cycle has never ever changed.]

Silver Surfer wrote:
The 7 day weekly cycle has never ever changed.

Ok. What day do you attend your praise and worship?

The same day that Jesus and the Apostle Paul attended worship service, as their custom was....the 7th day Sabbath.

I attend on Sundays as I have half days work on Saturdays. If I don't have work on Saturday, I read and study the Bible. Coming from a Sabbath keeping Church before and it split up because of differing views, this year I attended a praise and worship church. This is so different as people there were happy and enjoying themselves and they're so inspired. It's a different change for me but I know God has led me to this Church.

God does not lead people to commit sin !

Though, sometimes, I got used to observing Sabbath on a Saturday, I try to make sure to keep it holy by having a quite bible study. But, that does not mean that I'm holier than my other brethrens lest I fall into a trap like what the Pharisees and Sadduces did.

The pharisees did not observe the Law of God !
When a person tries to kill someone else, as they tried to kill Jesus on several occasions, they break God's Law !

I did compare my old church to the new one, but I came to realize I cannot judge another man's servant (the ministers or pastors).

"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.  
  33:7   So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.  
  33:8   When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.  
  33:9   Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy own soul", (Ezekiel, chapter 33).

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here we go again with the law stuff...tsk tsk tsk...i'd thought we'd gotten through to ya...guess i'm gonna have to go into deeper detail...watch out.   Night

Joshua

"And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ", (Revelarion 12:17).

[You worship a day.]

Silver Surfer,

There are two Commandments of Jesus Christ, and anything regarding the Sabbath IS NOT among them.

How did you get to be moderator without knowing the Bible ?
  Matthew 24:20   "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the [sabbath] day:  
  24:21   For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be".  

You worship a day.

That's plain silly !
I obey God's command to observe a certain day, that God Blessed and made Holy, for the benefit of man.

 

[You quoted: " But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition ?"" But in vain ...they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men", (Matthew 15:3,9).]

You quoted:
  " But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition ?"
"    But in vain ...they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men", (Matthew 15:3,9).

Yes, I got what you mean. I forgot what verse that was, telling he change the times, and yes he did. We all follow pagan time scheme. Do we have a choice here? Is Saturday the real day of Sabbath we're suppose to keep?  The one who changed the times designed a new time (gregorian calendar) so as to keep real worshippers from worshipping on the real sabbath.

Do we have the exact and accurate day?

Of course !

The 7 day weekly cycle has never ever changed.

 It has always been 1st day of the week.....2nd day of the week...3rd day of the week....4th day of the week...5th day of the week...6th day of the week...7th day of the week....
then it starts over again: 1st day of the week...2nd day of the week...etc...etc.

You quoted:
As  for this.....the whole Bible has 'already provided' ...that information.....As the Book of Daniel and Revelation (put together) has 'already' told us who the Beast is.

Please enlighten me, as I read many translation here. I would love to read yours.

OK...Daniel 7:23 points out the fact that the term:'beast', means a Kingdom.
And verse 7:25 describe the several characteistics, used to know who the Beast is, by understanding past world history.

Sunday Worship? I don't think worshipping the one true God on a Sunday will be abominable.

  " But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition ?"
"    But in vain ...they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men", (Matthew 15:3,9).  

So, when the two witnesses comes,

Have you ever thought about the Old...and the New...Testaments as being the 2 witnesses ?
After all....the whole Bible contains everything God wants people to know and understand, right ?

they will probably warn people not to worship the image of the beast

As  for this.....the whole Bible has 'already provided' ...that information.....As the Book of Daniel and Revelation (put together) has 'already' told us who the Beast is.

[FALSE TEACHING!]

FALSE TEACHING!

Nothing abominable shall be in the Kingdom of God.
 

Such as Sunday Worship services ?

 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.  
  66:23   And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD," (Isaiah 66:22,23).  

And you'll know a true Christian by his/her attitude...or by his her fruits...

John 14:15   "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

 Revelation 14:12   "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".

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"Ye shall know them by their fruits." The class of religious people here described, profess to be Christians. They have the form of godliness and appear to be laboring for the good of souls, while they are at heart avaricious, selfish, ease-loving, following the promptings of their own unconsecrated hearts. They are in conflict with Christ and His teachings, and are destitute of His meek and lowly spirit.

It the condition of the heart and belief in what Jesus done.

Luke  6:46   "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?"

       I have no intentions of furthering the plans of the anti christ, I attend church with a heart to worship, makes no difference if its Sun or Sat.

Romans 6:16   "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ? "

 

I understand what you're saying with that verse.  But how do we reconcile that verse with what Jesus said of John and Elijah?  14 "And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. 15 "He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

OK, then how do you reconcile the words: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet ......[BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day] of the LORD ?  

[by faith of Jesus Christ]

"The righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that BELIEVE" (Romans 3:22).

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Point #1.) "All His commandments are Righteousness", (Psalms 119:172).

"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).

Silver,
       

     I have posted several scripture for you, showing that the Disciple gathered on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. Your saying that these great men, witness of Jesus Christ, writter of the Holy word, preachers and the reason the CHurch was spread are all in hell?

Point #1.....no one is in hell, at the moment !
Point #2....Every one of the Bible writers kept the 7th day Sabbath, even though they may have observed Sunday once or twice.
Had you studied the book of Acts alone....you would have found that the disciples observed the Sabbath, 84 times.

     

But I guess it makes no difference what I posted your still insisting that any who worhsip on Sunday  is doom to hell.

Any person who commits sin  ('wages of sin is death', Romans 6:23........'the soul that sins, it shall die', Ezekiel 18:4)
What makes you think a person can commit murder, or stealing ...and still get into heaven ?

   

 I am really curious, have you been raised to believe this, or is this a teaching you've come to believe?

I was raised a Sunday keeper, for some 28 years, before I found out what the Bible really taught.

Do you believe a murderer can ask for forgiveness and enter into Heaven.

Yes, only if he doesn't commit murder again.

Another example, the man hanging beside Christ on the cross as far as we understand didn't even attend a worship service...yet Christ told him he would be with him in pradise......so you or rather the church you attended has this figured out better than even God almighty.....Is it a scriptural promises? Or have you rewritten the scripturue....the promise is to believe in Jesus, he is the only way to Heaven, faith causes everything else to fall into place.... for example a person smoke, or does drugs....The Holy Spirit brings conviction  that leads to repentance and repentance leads to not doing that "sins" again. BUT  NOT attending Church on Sat, or Sunday.

It is not a matter of attending a church, because no church can save ANYONE. It is a matter of obeying God. And the 7th day Sabbath is the ultimate test of faith !

 

What guarantee is there that ANYONE is going to heaven?

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates of the City", (Revelation 22:14).
WHICH ..fits ..PERFECTLY with what Jesus told people, when they asked him, how they might gain eternal life:  Matthew 19:16   "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  
  19:17   And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments".
 

   So why do you come here to this site?

To deliver the "Everlasting Gospel" of Revelation 14:6-12. Which contains the 3 angels messages, that every person must understand, before Jesus Christ can come again.

Sure would have saved me alot of heartache and man I could have been sleeping in on Sundays.

Maybe now...you can.